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Seems like the big man is really pissed now. Bibi thought he could do a cheeky bombing run after his announcement and it apparently really pissed him off and rained on his parade.
I really, really hope this is enough for him to be done with Nethyanahu, he's led him around, lied to his face and ignored him enough times that if anyone else did it to Trump it would be done a long time ago, hopefully this is the straw that broke the camel's back.
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I assumed that "preventing something that has already started to happen" is usually called "stopping", but what are we doing, arguing about grammar and vocabularia? Seems a little like playing trumpet on the moon.
On June 24 2025 22:36 Jankisa wrote:... and it apparently really pissed him off and rained on his parade.
Don't you mean, reigned on his parade?
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On June 24 2025 22:41 Uldridge wrote:
I assumed that "preventing something that has already started to happen" is usually called "stopping", but what are we doing, arguing about grammar and vocabularia? Seems a little like playing trumpet on the moon. Just trying hard to not talk about the actual point, the people not worried about re-election are (almost) all calling it genocide
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Far too many (in my opinion) posts have been made in these threads (including the Russia / Ukraine and US politics) indulging people who in bad faith try to make the conversation about semantics.
Almost always it's the people with a minority opinion trying to derail the conversation, far too often it also results in insults and not much else.
I try to stay out of it most of the time but this time it was so obvious and done by a person who has a habit of insulting people around here and resorting to semantic arguments that I had to just paste the definition
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On June 24 2025 23:12 Jankisa wrote:
Far too many (in my opinion) posts have been made in these threads (including the Russia / Ukraine and US politics) indulging people who in bad faith try to make the conversation about semantics.
Almost always it's the people with a minority opinion trying to derail the conversation, far too often it also results in insults and not much else.
I try to stay out of it most of the time but this time it was so obvious and done by a person who has a habit of insulting people around here and resorting to semantic arguments that I had to just paste the definition
Context: KwarK hates my guts. Not just mine, but mine are among the guts that he typically hates. That mostly explains his absurd behavior.
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I've been called an idiot by him in this thread as well, so that's the context from my end.
Maybe we should make a club or something.
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On June 24 2025 23:36 Jankisa wrote:
I've been called an idiot by him in this thread as well, so that's the context from my end.
Maybe we should make a club or something.
I don't know when Kwark called you an idiot, but the various times Kwark called MP a moron it was pretty justified. He often waffles on about stuff he knows nothing about and then gets upset when someone corrects him. Now I'm not saying Kwark is a reasonable guy. He won't just let things go and will hound people til they stop posting just to get away from Kwark's bullying. But if MP would just stop replying to Kwark all of aTL would be a better place.
That said, this latest bout was a moronic post by Kwark with an even dumber response by MP. I'm with Uldridge here, let's go back to discussing the meaning of free rein vs free reign.
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On June 25 2025 00:37 Acrofales wrote:
But if MP would just stop replying to Kwark all of aTL would be a better place.
Nice victim blaming.
No worries, I'll be there for you when you draw KwarK's ire for the first time. You're not safe from his episodes. Everybody's on his list, you just don't know it yet.
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On June 25 2025 00:52 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2025 00:37 Acrofales wrote:
But if MP would just stop replying to Kwark all of aTL would be a better place. Nice victim blaming. No worries, I'll be there for you when you draw KwarK's ire for the first time. You're not safe from his episodes. Everybody's on his list, you just don't know it yet.
Unbeknownst to you, I have already been shitposted by Kwark, but after two or three replies I decided it was not worth my time or shitting up the thread with what was obviously going nowhere. For the same reason I often just stop replying to oBlade. Not because I agree with anything he says, but because I have better things to do with my life. You should try it.
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United States44046 Posts
On June 24 2025 22:41 Uldridge wrote:I assumed that "preventing something that has already started to happen" is usually called "stopping", but what are we doing, arguing about grammar and vocabularia? Seems a little like playing trumpet on the moon. Show nested quote +On June 24 2025 22:36 Jankisa wrote:... and it apparently really pissed him off and rained on his parade. Don't you mean, reigned on his parade?
You are correct. The pre prefix is literally means before, as in before the event happens. The framing event has to be non current.
You are also correct that “stop” is used for current events.
Congrats on your English fluency, not everyone knows that.
But the meat of my issue with his post was that genocide is prevented stopped by calling it genocide. There are loads of ongoing genocides happening around the world and I don’t think labeling is likely to stop a single one of them.
If we imagine a world in which Israel is bent on the eradication of the Gazans then it’s tough to imagine the aggressive use of accusations of genocide stopping them from that. It smells vaguely of GH’s “if ten thousand people like this socialism post then we’ll revolution” posting. I don’t see the connection.
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There is some merit to the idea the doctor would have to identify the cancer in some way before being able to operate on it.
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United States44046 Posts
On June 25 2025 03:13 oBlade wrote:
There is some merit to the idea the doctor would have to identify the cancer in some way before being able to operate on it.
Sure, but cancer doesn't have nukes and Germany isn't a surgeon.
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On June 20 2025 00:22 pmp10 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2025 14:39 RvB wrote:On June 19 2025 04:18 pmp10 wrote:On June 19 2025 01:40 RvB wrote:On June 19 2025 00:58 pmp10 wrote:
Look at Bibi - he just got more Israelis killed than Hamas holds hostages and is now politically stronger then ever. Bibi is not strong at all. He's been far behind the opposition in polls since October 7 except for a little bump after the escalation against Hezbollah. The failure of October 7 will haunt his legacy forever no matter what he does. He's out with the next elections. That's a brave prediction. He still has a year to defeat Iran and crush Hamas. It's not a brave prediction. He's up 3 seats and his coalition is still far behind the opposition: Netanyahu’s coalition bloc receives 50 seats, far short of a majority in the 120-seat Knesset. Opposition parties receive 60 seats, and the Arab-led parties have 10. Arab majority parties have traditionally shunned coalitions, though Islamist Ra’am broke that trend when it joined a Bennett-led coalition in 2021-2022.
www.timesofisrael.com That may be the current situation but this war will definitely change that. If Iran war ends with a major victory then so will Gaza. I'd say then he can count on 4 more years.
A poll taken after a ceasefire is agreed between Israel and Iran, ending 12 days of war that are largely viewed as a resounding success for Israel, sees Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his Likud party win a small bump in popularity, but not enough for his current coalition to form a majority.
The poll taken by Channel 12 gives Netanyahu’s Likud 26 seats in the 120-seat Knesset, up four from pre-war polls.
Former prime minister Naftali Bennett’s nascent party would win 24 seats, and the left-wing The Democrats would take 12.
Current opposition leader Yair Lapid’s Yesh Atid, the Sephardic ultra-Orthodox Shas and hawkish Yisrael Beyteinu would all win nine seats.
The Ashkenazi Haredi party United Torah Judaism would win eight seats, Benny Gantz’s National Unity would win seven, while the far-right Otzmah Yehudit would win six.
The poll finds that the two Arab parties Hadash-Ta’al and Ra’am would both win five.
Asked who they would prefer for prime minister, the public chooses Netanyahu over Bennett for the first time this year with 38% saying Netanyahu and 35% picking Bennett. A further 21% said neither of them were suitable and 6% did not know.
Netanyahu also led by greater margins over other opposition leaders.
Israel does not choose the prime minister by direct election, but by which parties can put together a coalition.
Unfortunately for Netanyahu, the poll finds that his gains largely come at the expense of his current coalition partners, who only muster 49 seats. The oppositon parties would win 61, while the Arab parties, who have largely stayed out of coalitions, have 10.
Channel 12 quotes sources close to Netanyahu as being disappointed with the results, saying he expected a larger bump due to the war. The poll results could scupper thoughts of calling a snap election, the report says.
www.timesofisrael.com
Does not look like it has helped him yet. I think his brand has become too toxic for a large part of the Israeli electorate.
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Not calling things by their name is what gives the wrong people power. Extremists especially love to censor words.
That's why labels matter and that's why I'll never give an inch to genocide deniers. They can keep denying reality, and all they accomplish is that I'll keep exposing reality even harder. I want their denial to backfire harder and harder the more they do it. That's the goal.
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United States44046 Posts
In this case nuclear weapons is what gives the wrong people power.
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On June 24 2025 16:48 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2025 16:27 pmp10 wrote:
So we are in now the 'everybody won' phase.
It's hard to imagine any workable agreement with Iran after this.
I'd say next round is just a question of time. Doubt it. Iran already lost the sites, and will take years to rebuild. Nothing to gain here on out other than a quick restart when everything quiet down. All show from here on out
I meant time as in multiple months, likely after next series of negotiations.
The negotiating positions will now drift completely apart.
Iran will consider this attack a proof of western duplicity and will think of nukes as the only certain security.
West will take the 'we can do it again' stance and demand absolutely no enrichment and maybe even end to Iranian ballistic missile program as well.
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'It's a Killing Field': IDF Soldiers Ordered to Shoot Deliberately at Unarmed Gazans Waiting for Humanitarian Aid
IDF officers and soldiers told Haaretz they were ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near food distribution sites in Gaza, even when no threat was present. Hundreds of Palestinians have been killed, prompting the military prosecution to call for a review into possible war crimes
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Conversations with officers and soldiers reveal that commanders ordered troops to shoot at crowds to drive them away or disperse them, even though it was clear they posed no threat.
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"It's a killing field," one soldier said. "Where I was stationed, between one and five people were killed every day. They're treated like a hostile force – no crowd-control measures, no tear gas – just live fire with everything imaginable: heavy machine guns, grenade launchers, mortars. Then, once the center opens, the shooting stops, and they know they can approach. Our form of communication is gunfire."
The soldier added, "We open fire early in the morning if someone tries to get in line from a few hundred meters away, and sometimes we just charge at them from close range. But there's no danger to the forces." According to him, "I'm not aware of a single instance of return fire. There's no enemy, no weapons." He also said the activity in his area of service is referred to as Operation Salted Fish – the name of the Israeli version of the children's game "Red light, green light".
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"Gaza doesn't interest anyone anymore," said a reservist who completed another round of duty in the northern Strip this week. "It's become a place with its own set of rules. The loss of human life means nothing. It's not even an 'unfortunate incident,' like they used to say."
An officer serving in the security detail of a distribution center described the IDF's approach as deeply flawed: "Working with a civilian population when your only means of interaction is opening fire – that's highly problematic, to say the least," he told Haaretz. "It's neither ethically nor morally acceptable for people to have to reach, or fail to reach, a [humanitarian zone] under tank fire, snipers and mortar shells."
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"At night, we open fire to signal to the population that this is a combat zone and they mustn't come near," the officer said. "Once," he recounted, "the mortars stopped firing, and we saw people starting to approach. So we resumed fire to make it clear they weren't allowed to. In the end, one of the shells landed on a group of people."
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According to accounts from commanders and fighters, the IDF was supposed to maintain a safe distance from Palestinian population areas and food distribution points. However, the actions of the forces on the ground do not align with the operational plans.
"Today, any private contractor working in Gaza with engineering equipment receives 5,000 [roughly $1,500] shekels for every house they demolish," said a veteran fighter. "They're making a fortune. From their perspective, any moment where they don't demolish houses is a loss of money, and the forces have to secure their work. The contractors, who act like a kind of sheriff, demolish wherever they want along the entire front."
Haaretz
I quotemined some stuff from the start but in truth every paragraph is a must read so I gave up around the middle.
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Yeah it's a complete atrocity in every way and there's absolutely no defense whatsoever for Israel's behavior and if you even attempt it at this point, you're genuinely just a huge piece of shit.
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On June 28 2025 03:48 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Yeah it's a complete atrocity in every way and there's absolutely no defense whatsoever for Israel's behavior and if you even attempt it at this point, you're genuinely just a huge piece of shit.
It's quite a damning article. The IDF will investigate and has quite a robust process for doing so through the military advocate general (I believe it has already been ordered). Let's see what they come up with. If the claims are true there will be prosecutions for war crimes coming (as there should be).
If your claim is that Israel's prosecution of the war in general has absolutely no defense then I strongly disagree and I don't think that makes me or anyone else a huge piece of shit.
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On June 28 2025 03:48 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Yeah it's a complete atrocity in every way and there's absolutely no defense whatsoever for Israel's behavior and if you even attempt it at this point, you're genuinely just a huge piece of shit.
Couldn't agree more.
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