Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine - Page 439

On June 22 2025 10:30 Billyboy wrote:
It could be a huge win, but I'm far from optimistic. In the past 30 years we have had three horrible dictatorships toppled, Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan. All were short term successes and horrible long term outcomes.

On June 22 2025 10:34 Mohdoo wrote:

Iran won’t have a military worth anything by the time Israel is done. Without nukes and without their enormous momentum, Iran just isn’t going to be some kinda major threat to anyone. Their enormous existing fleet was all they had to keep things uncertain and to prevent the crystallization of the middle eastern hegemony. That’s totally over now.

On June 22 2025 10:58 Billyboy wrote:

Iraq, Libya, and Afghanistan were all not major threats to anyone after the initial attacks and I don't think anyone considers them successes.

On June 22 2025 11:15 Mohdoo wrote:

And what we learned is: “alright so anyway, see ya”

In an ideal scenario, Iran ends up in a bit of chaos for a moment but ultimately emergences with a fresh and optimistic future.

On June 22 2025 04:18 Billyboy wrote:
I have been thinking a lot lately about the common argument about removing these awful leaders and government by force because of the chaos that will happen after. I do think that it is a concern, but it also feels pretty damn awful to be saying that we are going to leave you to be brutally repressed, killed and tortured to keep the problems of the area within the borders. This is a design by the dictators to make sure that there is no one ready to fill the vacuum and they are the only one that can hold it together by their awful means, which also regardless of political affiliation, involves them living in incredible wealth. In a way it is like the Nuke where it all just a means to keep them in power and keep oppressing their people and I do not know why anyone would argue it is a good thing.

Should we not be trying to find ways for the countries post dictatorship to become health democracies? Rather than just being like, well it is much easier if we just leave that horrible monster in charge because it is way easier for us.

I find the argument strange because it never seems to get any pushback and is often written as almost as if it is a kindness to the (in this case) the Iranian people. When it is really not, or at least it is far from altruistic.

On June 22 2025 10:17 Mohdoo wrote:
Without Iran’s support, it will be interesting to see how things progress for Palestinians. Hamas had an iron grip for a long time but I am assuming we will see new powers emerge. Hopefully one of them pushes for demilitarization

On June 22 2025 15:33 Broetchenholer wrote:


So, after you have stopped the terrible regime of Iran, where do you continue? Saudi Arabia? Turkey? Israel? Russia? China? USA? The world would be a better place if we just bombed a multi party system into the States, a new constitution, laws to limit money in politics... You for that too? I have never seen someone being consistent about calling for the toppling of regimes "for freedom"

On June 22 2025 15:28 pmp10 wrote:
So now it's time to see Iranian retaliation, or lack of it.
Their position being very weak I'd expect any attacks on US to be symbolic.

On June 22 2025 11:30 Sermokala wrote:
Yes that is the ideal scenario in every regime change, tell me how the record is going on those recently?

All this will due is deepen the islamics world's hatred towards America, as its now indefinitely tied to Isreal. The middle east was very friendly with America before Isreal, they do not like us anymore, and this will simply cause them to hate us more.

On June 22 2025 15:33 Broetchenholer wrote:


So, after you have stopped the terrible regime of Iran, where do you continue? Saudi Arabia? Turkey? Israel? Russia? China? USA? The world would be a better place if we just bombed a multi party system into the States, a new constitution, laws to limit money in politics... You for that too? I have never seen someone being consistent about calling for the toppling of regimes "for freedom"

On June 22 2025 15:38 pmp10 wrote:

You only need to look at the west bank to have the answer.
Hamas and Iranian power is just an excuse, colonization and displacements will continue anyway without it.
Land grabs have become a central part of the Jewish state just as hating Israel has been for Iran.

On June 22 2025 17:05 GreenHorizons wrote:

Wish we could all be around to see people reading/reacting to our posting about this stuff as it was happening 100, 200, 300+ years from now.

The fact that Saudi Arabia is an absolute theocratic monarchy that's still chopping people's heads off for being gay but also a steadfast ally of the West will be one of the things that future junior high/high school kids spend countless hours trying to understand stoned in their basements/bunkers/vaults.

On June 22 2025 22:37 Billyboy wrote:

How much land in square KM's has Israel grabbed in the last 50 years? How does that compare to the amount that they have given back in exchange for peace?

These are not rhetorical, I do not know the answer but I'm guessing the numbers are not going to lend credence to your claim.

On June 22 2025 22:41 Billyboy wrote:

So you want the US and Israel to attack SA? Or is it your opinion that you have to attack all evil regimes or none? Does it matter if one is openly making war in other nations or not? Does it matter if one is openly trying to make a nuclear weapon while openly being genocidal?

On June 22 2025 23:39 Broetchenholer wrote:


We are just interested in YOUR logic which countries need to be invaded and freedom brought. You believe Iran needed to be bombed. You did not call for the bombing of similar regimes or much worse regimes. How about South Susan? The powers there cannot even claim to at one point have any way of opposing the West, yet the us are not incentivized to bomb there despite actually mass murdering going on. Saudi Arabia by the way is openly making war in another country, it's called Yemen. So only countries making nuclear weapons are to be bombed in order to free their population, even if they are far from the worst at suppressing their population?

On June 22 2025 23:31 Broetchenholer wrote:


Do you want the number they have given back in my lifetime? Pretty sure that's zero.

Yes, in 1979, Israel and Egypt signed a peace treaty that included a land exchange. As part of the agreement, Israel returned the Sinai Peninsula to Egypt, which it had captured in the 1967 Six-Day War. In return, Egypt recognized Israel's right to exist and established full diplomatic relations with the country.