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Nebuchad
Switzerland12204 Posts
On June 15 2025 14:57 PremoBeats wrote: To include a notion about hundreds of genocidal quotes of which the vast majority probably have been taken out of context by ministers of a government What is the right context for a genocidal quote? | ||
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PremoBeats
447 Posts
On June 15 2025 15:05 Nebuchad wrote: What is the right context for a genocidal quote? For example if it was a quote directed at Hamas (slaughtering these animals, starving them out etc.), but you or your source dress it up as being directed at the Gazans as a whole. Do you have some KwarK quotes? Anything to say about you misinterpretating my notions as a Palestinian problem? | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12204 Posts
On June 15 2025 15:21 PremoBeats wrote: For example if it was a quote directed at Hamas (slaughtering these animals, starving them out etc.), but you or your source dress it up as being directed at the Gazans as a whole. Don't worry half of these people also have quotes about how everyone in Gaza is Hamas we're covered | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia689 Posts
apnews.com Deputy Knesset speaker Nissim Vaturi from the ruling Likud party wrote on X, formerly known as Twitter, that Israelis had one common goal, “erasing the Gaza Strip from the face of the earth.” Israeli Heritage Minister Amichay Eliyahu, from the far-right Jewish Power party, suggested that Israel drop a nuclear bomb on Gaza and said there were “no uninvolved civilians” in the territory. Or this one from Smotrich: Smotrich's exact words, lest anyone think I might be exaggerating: "Nobody will let us cause two million civilians to die of hunger, even though it might be justified and moral, until our hostages are returned." Source: www.newsweek.com On June 15 2025 07:12 KwarK wrote: Who here is defending Israel’s decision making? Sure, to correct this, you are providing justifications for what they are doing while saying that you "don't agree with the decision making". The first thing after these strikes you did was to come here to explain how they are justified in doing them but you think they might not be a good idea, I guess it's really nice to go through life providing cover for aggression and escalation if you just note that "you wouldn't do it but you get it". | ||
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PremoBeats
447 Posts
But hundreds of quotes directed at Gazans, not Hamas? I remember that someone posted a collection months ago, where the first 5 examples were utterly absurd after which I stopped looking at them. I am perfectly aware of people like Smotrich or Ben Gvir, so I don't have to go through a barrage of quotes that don't apply. | ||
KwarK
United States42778 Posts
On June 15 2025 16:06 Jankisa wrote: Here you go guys, but feel free to pretend like these are all made up / taken out of context: apnews.com Or this one from Smotrich: Source: www.newsweek.com Sure, to correct this, you are providing justifications for what they are doing while saying that you "don't agree with the decision making". The first thing after these strikes you did was to come here to explain how they are justified in doing them but you think they might not be a good idea, I guess it's really nice to go through life providing cover for aggression and escalation if you just note that "you wouldn't do it but you get it". Okay but who here is defending Israel’s decision making? | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia689 Posts
On June 15 2025 16:23 PremoBeats wrote: Not saying that these don't exist, or that there aren't actual nutjob Israeli politicians. But hundreds of quotes directed at Gazans, not Hamas? I remember that someone posted a collection months ago, where the first 5 examples were utterly absurd after which I stopped looking at them. I am perfectly aware of people like Smotrich or Ben Gvir, so I don't have to go through a barrage of quotes that don't apply. The quotes I provided are by senior Israeli goverment officials stating very clear genocidal intent towords all Gazans, not just Hamas. There are many, many other quotes that are edge cases that I didn't include, there are also plenty more direct quotes like this from these guys that I could provide, this is what you asked for while clearly trying to say that people are either exaggerating them or taking them out of context. Now that you have them you are moving goal posts. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia689 Posts
On June 15 2025 16:46 KwarK wrote: Okay but who here is defending Israel’s decision making? Okay, but I literally said sure, you aren't doing that but you are providing justifications for all they do. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9655 Posts
On June 15 2025 17:24 Jankisa wrote: The quotes I provided are by senior Israeli goverment officials stating very clear genocidal intent towords all Gazans, not just Hamas. There are many, many other quotes that are edge cases that I didn't include, there are also plenty more direct quotes like this from these guys that I could provide, this is what you asked for while clearly trying to say that people are either exaggerating them or taking them out of context. Now that you have them you are moving goal posts. You don't even need to look at what they are saying for genocidal intent. The blocking of aid (if Premo can finally admit that Israel has done this - when we last left off he was still denying it was happening) should be easily enough. | ||
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KwarK
United States42778 Posts
On June 15 2025 17:26 Jankisa wrote: Okay, but I literally said sure, you aren't doing that but you are providing justifications for all they do. But I'm not. | ||
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KT_Elwood
Germany966 Posts
Hamas/Teheran don't even make a political argument against the Netanyahu government.. they purely go against race/religion. They do not rebell against a system, they want to kill a population. It's a morally bankrupt position to be in. | ||
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Billyboy
1056 Posts
The major issue I have with the rhetoric of people in this thread is claiming people who have issues with Israel's conduct are broken brained when the same people leveling these kind of accusations are the ones that decided that what Hamas did on October 7th gives Israel free reign to do whatever kind of violence and escalations. I don't think anyone here holds this position. I think there are are people you can put in two camps though. One that thinks everything is Israel's fault. And others who put blame on both in varying degrees. There used to be a Israeli fella on this thread who could have given eloquent and informed info on the Israeli position and how different groups within Israel felt but he was chased away with hate. Anyone here mad at Iran for launching massive missile and drone volleys with no even attempt at hitting military targets? | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12204 Posts
On June 15 2025 16:23 PremoBeats wrote: I remember that someone posted a collection months ago, where the first 5 examples were utterly absurd after which I stopped looking at them. 'was me, thanks for bringing it up, it's one of my best posts! Let's check out how absurd those examples are, I feel it's important because Elwood for example really cares about genocidal intent and how it makes defending positions morally bankrupt so he'll be interested in this On September 20 2024 10:45 Nebuchad wrote: So I did the work (not that it's going to change anything). Mostly googled "name" + "Palestine"/"Gaza" + "Quotes" Here's the Netanyahu government according to wiki, hopefully I didn't forget anyone: Amichai Chikli Amihai Eliyahu Aryeh Deri Avi Dichter Benjamin Netanyahu Bezalel Smotrich Dudi Amsalem Eli Cohen Galit Distel-Atbaryan Gila Gamliel Haim Biton Haim Katz Idit Silman Israel Katz Itamar Ben-Gvir May Golan Meir Porush Michael Malchieli Miki Zohar Miri Regev Moshe Arbel Nir Barkat Ofir Sofer Orit Strook Ron Dermer Shlomo Karhi Uriel Buso Ya'akov Margi Yariv Levin Yifat Shasha-Biton Yitzhak Goldknopf Yitzhak Wasserlauf Yoav Ben-Tzur Yoav Gallant Yoav Kisch First, here are the people who I believe aren't on this side, I don't want to have it look like I buried them at the end: Aryeh Deri Haim Biton Meir Porush Michael Malchieli Moshe Arbel Uriel Buso Ya'akov Margi Yifat Shasha-Biton Yoav Ben-Tzur David "Dudi" Amsalem doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would be opposed to ethnic cleansing but I didn't find quotes so he's there too. I'm going to have to isolate Miri Regev there because somehow I'm unable to find ethnic cleansing quotes from her, apparently her problem is more Africans lol: "Heaven forbid, I did not talk about human beings and I did not compare them to human beings." She is also quoted as saying she's "happy to be a fascist". It doesn't seem that she comments much on Palestinians, or these quotes didn't make it to english. I assume you don't need me to go about Benny, Smotrich or Ben Gvir. First, this article that is unfortunately paywalled, "Netanyahu's Ministers at Far-right Conference Endorse Expulsion of Palestinians". I found the text version on Reddit, the people who were there were: "Bezalel Smotrich and Orit Strock (Religious Zionism), Itamar Ben-Gvir, Amichai Eliyahu and Yitzhak Wasserlauf (Otzma Yehudit), Haim Katz, Amichai Chikli, Shlomo Karhi (Likud) and many others." Later found the wiki article for this that adds Idit Silman, Yitzhak Goldknopf and May Golan. I'm adding Silman and Goldknopf based on that even though I haven't found very specific quotes (Silman quoting some racist shit by Golda Meir, for example, doesn't seem to qualify as enough but in conjonction with her presence at the conference I'll allow it). Quotes explicitly advocating for ethnic cleansing: Amichai Chikli: On a podcast in 2021 Chikli dismissed the Palestinian identity and called for it to be eliminated by saying: “It is all built on opposition to Zionism. That is the national identity of Palestinians. There is no Palestinian national identity with a positive content of its own. Therefore we won’t be rid of this conflict until this national identity ceases to be.” --- Amihai Eliyahu: Israeli Heritage Minister Amichai Eliyahu urged that Israel “must find ways for Gazans that are more painful than death” to defeat them and break their morale, as the US did with Japan. Eliyahu expressed, in statements to Israeli radio station 103 FM, that Israel must decide the battle by breaking the morale of the Palestinians in Gaza and causing them pain involving their land, destroying homes, breaking their national dream and voluntary immigration. When the presenter interrupted him, saying this was not possible, Eliyahu replied that it was, similar to what happened during the Arab Spring when large numbers of the region’s population immigrated to Germany. According to the Israeli minister’s statements, the residents of Gaza should be encouraged to immigrate to other countries as part of revenge measures against them after the events of Operation Al-Aqsa flood. --- Avi Dichter: Agriculture Minister Avi Dichter told Israeli Channel 12 over the weekend that the war would be “Gaza’s Nakba,” using the Arabic word for “catastrophe” that many use to describe the 1948 displacement of roughly 700,000 Palestinians who were expelled from their land in what became Israel. “We are now rolling out the Gaza Nakba,” Dichter, a member of the right-wing Likud party, said Saturday, in comments widely reported by Israeli media. “From an operational point of view, there is no way to wage a war — as the Israeli army seeks to do in Gaza — with masses between the tanks and the soldiers,” he said. Pressed on his use of the word “Nakba” to describe the situation in Gaza, he said again: “Gaza Nakba 2023. That’s how it’ll end.” --- Eli Cohen: Foreign Minister Eli Cohen tells Army Radio, “At the end of this war, not only will Hamas no longer be in Gaza, but the territory of Gaza will also decrease.” --- Galit Distel-Atbaryan: Israel-Palestine war: Likud MP calls for Gaza to be 'erased from the face of the earth' Galit Distel Atbaryan, who was recently public diplomacy minister, says on Facebook a 'vengeful and vicious' Israeli army is needed to wipe out the Palestinian enclave --- Gila Gamliel: "The Gaza problem is not just our problem. The world should support humanitarian emigration, because that’s the only solution I know." "Instead of funneling money to rebuild Gaza or to the failed UNRWA, the international community can assist in the costs of resettlement, helping the people of Gaza build new lives in their new host countries. Gaza has long been thought of as a problem without an answer." --- Haim Katz: Haim Katz, Israeli cabinet minister from Netanyahu’s Likud party, exposed Israel's endgame: “Today, we have the opportunity to rebuild and expand the land of Israel. This is our final opportunity.” --- Israel Katz: “Yesterday I warned the Arab students, who are flying Palestine flags at universities: Remember 48. Remember our independence war and your Nakba, don’t stretch the rope too much. […] If you don’t calm down, we’ll teach you a lesson that won’t be forgotten” "Humanitarian aid to Gaza? No electric switch will be turned on, no water tap will be opened, and no fuel truck will enter until the Israeli abductees are returned home," he said in a statement. On Friday, the day Israel made the evacuation order, Katz said his country will destroy Hamas and that Gazan civilians were ordered to leave immediately. "We will win. They will not receive a drop of water or a single battery until they leave the world," he added. --- Orit Strook: “There is no such thing as a Palestinian people,” Strook said in a video on her X account of her speech during a Knesset session. “There will never be a Palestinian state in the land of Israel,” she said. "Every cultured person in the world knows that this land is ours, for the Israeli people and only for us.” --- Ron Dermer: Not quoted but found this in the Intercept: "Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has tasked his top adviser, Ron Dermer, the minister of strategic affairs, with designing plans to “thin” the Palestinian population in the Gaza Strip “to a minimum,” according to a bombshell new report in an Israeli newspaper founded by the late Republican billionaire Sheldon Adelson. --- Shlomo Karhi: "Likud minister Shlomo Karhi clarified that the transfer of the Palestinians of Gaza, in his words "voluntary emigration," is the "only way to exact a heavy price from the Nazis of Hamas and ensure security." Karhi explained "voluntary" as follows: "'Voluntary' is at times a situation you impose [on someone] until they give their consent."" (from the paywalled Haaretz article mentioned earlier) --- Yariv Levin: "Justice Minister Yariv Levin stating that all of the land of Israel will belong only to Jews." https://x.com/KnessetT/status/1681679848090005504 --- Yitzhak Wasserlauf: Yitzhak Wasserlauf, an Israeli cabinet official, stated, "A total victory means a return to settle" the Gaza Strip. More generic genocidal quotes May Golan: "I am personally proud of the ruins of Gaza, and that every baby, even 80 years from now, will tell their grandchildren what the Jews did" "I don't care about Gaza. I literally don't care at all. They can go out and swim in the sea. I want to see dead bodies of terrorists around gaza." --- Miki Zohar: Another elected official from the ruling coalition, Likud’s Miki Zohar, did not hesitate to state that the Arabs have a problem that has no solution – they are not Jews and therefore their fate in this land cannot be the same as that of the Jews. "I say clearly to anyone still stuck in October 6: We will never lend a hand to the creation of a Palestinian state," Israeli Culture Minister Miki Zohar said on social media last month. "This is our pledge to the sacred murder victims." --- Nir Barkat During a contentious “Morning Joe” interview on Thursday, Israeli Economic Minister Nir Barkat used air quotes as he spoke of “the innocent people in Gaza,” suggesting he does not believe there are innocent people in the besieged Gaza Strip. --- Ofir Sofer (weakish quote): "A Palestinian state will not be established." --- Yoav Gallant: "We will eliminate everything. If it doesn't take one day, it will take a week, it will take weeks, or even months, we will reach all places. There is no way that our brothers, our children, our parents will be killed and we won't react because we are a state, — they will regret it" "Soon they'll realize the IDF's power, even in the southern part [of Gaza]" he added: ""Those who were on the western side of Gaza City understand this well and have already met the deadly power of the IDF, those who are on the eastern side understand this tonight and will understand it in the coming days, and those who are in the south of the Gaza Strip will also understand this soon." --- Yoav Kisch: "Those are animals, they have no right to exist. I am not debating they way it will happen, but they need to be exterminated," argued Yoav Kisch, Israeli Minister of Education. "Every Jew knows the saying 'Remember what Amalek did unto thee by the way […]' and that is what [H*] did and their judgement shall be to destroy them, full stop. I relate to them like Amalek." The patriots on channel 14 episode posted October 9 2023 [27:20 – 27:34 ]" --- Here's some dude who isn't a minister but it took me so fucking long to do this and at the end of this I was so annoyed by my complete awareness that nobody is going to care about it that I couldn't be fucked to not quote this: "One of them is by Nissim Vaturi, member of the Israeli Parliament, where he is Deputy Speaker. Although, according to Israeli TV Channel 12, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has in recent days called on politicians to choose “their words carefully” so as not to give ammunition ahead of the hearing in The Hague, Vaturi on Wednesday reaffirmed his calls to “wipe Gaza off the face of the earth,” and added: “Gaza must be burned.” “I stand behind my words... It is better to burn down buildings rather than have [Israeli] soldiers harmed. There are no innocents there,” he said in a radio interview before calling for the “elimination” of the estimated 100,000 Palestinians left in northern Gaza. “I have no mercy for those who are still there. We need to eliminate them,” added Vaturi, who belongs to Likud, the right-wing party led by Netanyahu." Way too long didn't read: depending on how you're counting, somewhere between 9 and 14 out of 37 don't support ethnic cleansing based on me googling for 3 minutes about each of them. | ||
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PremoBeats
447 Posts
On June 15 2025 17:24 Jankisa wrote: The quotes I provided are by senior Israeli goverment officials stating very clear genocidal intent towords all Gazans, not just Hamas. There are many, many other quotes that are edge cases that I didn't include, there are also plenty more direct quotes like this from these guys that I could provide, this is what you asked for while clearly trying to say that people are either exaggerating them or taking them out of context. Now that you have them you are moving goal posts. Not moving goalposts... this is my original criticism. The number was included from the start: "To include a notion about hundreds of genocidal quotes of which the vast majority probably have been taken out of context by ministers of a government and not official government statements is simply the cherry on top, as most of the time when you reply in your cynical, one-sided way." On June 15 2025 17:32 Jockmcplop wrote: You don't even need to look at what they are saying for genocidal intent. The blocking of aid (if Premo can finally admit that Israel has done this - when we last left off he was still denying it was happening) should be easily enough. I never denied back then that the 3-week blockade in the North happened. What I denied is the implication by politicians, celebrities (lately Thunberg) or forum users that Israel is starving the entirety of the Gazan strip with genocidal intent and no correlation to weed out Hamas, which is utterly ridiculous when one looks at the phenomena and numbers I described before. With the newest blockades, I'd say that physically enough supplies were staged. Were the complete blockades back then and in 2025 righteous or justified? Clearly not. But as always: context matters. I further don't understand why you guys are resorting to such obvious strawmen... Do you really think you'll get a pass on them? Be it Magic Powers, Nebu or even you with whom I had a pretty good start iirc.... why can't you stick to what people are actually saying? This forum is such a cesspool of fallacious bs, it's unbelievable at times. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15690 Posts
On June 15 2025 16:06 Jankisa wrote: Here you go guys, but feel free to pretend like these are all made up / taken out of context: apnews.com Or this one from Smotrich: Source: www.newsweek.com Sure, to correct this, you are providing justifications for what they are doing while saying that you "don't agree with the decision making". The first thing after these strikes you did was to come here to explain how they are justified in doing them but you think they might not be a good idea, I guess it's really nice to go through life providing cover for aggression and escalation if you just note that "you wouldn't do it but you get it". No one here is saying Israel is some cool dude who does lots of cool stuff. Israel is clearly a very unethically run country and does a bunch of dirtbag stuff. And that can be true while Iran also being a wasteful idiot. Iran hates Israel for moral/ideological reasons. Iran does not have any chance in hell of being successful. Even if we don’t focus on the ethics of Iran’s goals, they are purely impossible anyway. It’s like if Brazil decided to go all-in against Russia. They’d just kinda get their salad tossed and not make any lasting impact on Russia’s ambitions. If anything, you could argue Iran is the only government incompetent enough to hand Israel a massive diplomatic win. They solidified Israel’s ability to project power and to eliminate any need for restraint. And for what? What did Iran get out of this? This list paints a very silly picture: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/13/world/middleeast/iran-military-generals-killed-israel.html It’s very clear Israel and the west monitored the situation until it was far enough along or Iran to be widely condemned, providing the cover to strike like this. This was the most jihad dipshit thing they could have done Once Iran is castrated, who is left to stand up to Israel in even the smallest way? Turkey? Never in a million years. Pakistan and India just finished showing the world they really are the Beavis and Butthead of military prowess, so Pakistan would be experiencing famine within 6 hours of an Israeli strike. Without any major adversaries, this is a crowning moment for Israel. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12204 Posts
On June 15 2025 23:42 PremoBeats wrote: I further don't understand why you guys are resorting to such obvious strawmen... Do you really think you'll get a pass on them? Be it Magic Powers, Nebu or even you with whom I had a pretty good start iirc.... why can't you stick to what people are actually saying? This forum is such a cesspool of fallacious bs, it's unbelievable at times. Again for newer users who are confused about how Premo posts, at one point I quoted a bunch of things that he said verbatim, exactly his words no change, but I did it in a sentence without using quotation marks to make it look like it wasn't his words, and he said I was misrepresenting him. There's no winning talking to him because he doesn't care. | ||
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PremoBeats
447 Posts
On June 15 2025 23:39 Nebuchad wrote: 'was me, thanks for bringing it up, it's one of my best posts! Let's check out how absurd those examples are, I feel it's important because Elwood for example really cares about genocidal intent and how it makes defending positions morally bankrupt so he'll be interested in this Thanks for the hard work. I honestly was to lazy and let the AI make a summary. You were talking about genocide and a government (not a minority of ministers) having attributed to it, hundreds of genocidal quotes. I know of course that this was one of your cynical responses with build in exaggerations so you don't have to actually address the argument. Still, it was too much even for you, hence I pointed it out. ✅ What Counts as Genocidal Intent? According to the UN Genocide Convention, genocidal intent includes: > Acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such. Thus, genocidal rhetoric must show: Intent to destroy the group as such, not just defeat combatants or punish militants. Targeting civilians, or the identity (e.g., being Palestinian), not just members of Hamas. --- 🧮 Step-by-Step Breakdown ❌ Not Genocidal (Directed at Hamas/Militants) 1. Yoav Gallant “We will eliminate everything… Soon they’ll realize the IDF’s power…” ➡️ Although extremely aggressive, this refers to military operations against Hamas, not civilians as a group. 2. Yoav Kisch “They have no right to exist… need to be exterminated… like Amalek.” ➡️ On review, the "Amalek" language could be genocidal if targeting all Palestinians — but the original TV segment reportedly refers to Hamas. Needs clarification, but likely not genocide if narrowly aimed. 3. Miki Zohar “We will never lend a hand to the creation of a Palestinian state.” ➡️ Denying statehood ≠ genocidal. 4. Nir Barkat Uses air quotes around “innocent people in Gaza.” ➡️ Deeply callous, but not genocidal if he does not advocate harm to civilians directly. --- ✅ Potentially Genocidal (Targeting Palestinians as a People) 1. May Golan “I am personally proud of the ruins of Gaza… every baby will tell their grandchildren what the Jews did.” ➡️ Indiscriminate. No mention of Hamas; this quote celebrates collective civilian suffering, likely genocidal. “I want to see dead bodies… I don’t care about Gaza.” ➡️ Not combat-specific. Strong evidence of intent to harm civilians. 2. Amichai Chikli Denies Palestinian identity and says the conflict won't end until that identity "ceases to be." ➡️ Cultural genocide at minimum; arguably genocidal if intent is erasure of national group identity. 3. Gila Gamliel Calls for the “humanitarian emigration” of Gazans. ➡️ Forced displacement of an entire group for demographic purposes could rise to ethnic cleansing, not genocide per se. --- 🧮 Final Categorization Name Target of Quote Revised Classification May Golan General Gaza civilians ✅ Genocidal intent Amichai Chikli Palestinian identity ✅ Genocidal (cultural) Gila Gamliel All Gazans (emigration) ⚠️ Ethnic cleansing Yoav Kisch Hamas (Amalek comparison) ⚠️ Not genocidal (militant) Yoav Gallant Hamas/fighters ❌ Not genocidal Miki Zohar Arabs broadly ⚠️ Ethnic cleansing tone Barkat, Eli Cohen, Israel Katz Hamas / tactical ❌ Not genocidal --- 📊 Summary Genocidal intent toward civilians or identity: 2/37 (May Golan, Chikli) → ~5.4% Ethnic cleansing advocacy (forced expulsion, identity erasure): 5–7 ministers → ~14–19% Targeted only Hamas/militants: Many (~8–10) No known extremist rhetoric: Remainder (~25+) --- ✅ Key Conclusion While violent rhetoric is widespread among members of the current Netanyahu government, only a small number (about 5%) clearly display genocidal intent toward the Palestinian people as such. Others fall into the category of ethnic cleansing or nationalist supremacism, while many are engaging in military rhetoric against Hamas. Let me know if you'd like a fully cited chart or if I should trace any specific quote to its full transcript for deeper context. | ||
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PremoBeats
447 Posts
On June 15 2025 23:51 Nebuchad wrote: Again for newer users who are confused about how Premo posts, at one point I quoted a bunch of things that he said verbatim, exactly his words no change, but I did it in a sentence without using quotation marks to make it look like it wasn't his words, and he said I was misrepresenting him. There's no winning talking to him because he doesn't care. Please show it. I am more than certain that I simply corrected your "interpretation" in the same way I corrected you putting a Palestinian problem in my mouth fucking 9 hours ago. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12204 Posts
On June 15 2025 23:45 Mohdoo wrote: It’s very clear Israel and the west monitored the situation until it was far enough along or Iran to be widely condemned, providing the cover to strike like this. Public support for Israel in the West is at an all-time low before this, I think most likely the only thing that they were closely monitoring was my ballsack. I doubt the context in which Israel is buried at -50 net favourability in most of western Europe and around 50% in the US is the context in which they can attack another country, in a way that is so obviously not self-defense that even the liberal media is calling it an attack, and have their enemies widely condemned instead of them. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15690 Posts
On June 16 2025 00:04 Nebuchad wrote: Public support for Israel in the West is at an all-time low before this, I think most likely the only thing that they were closely monitoring was my ballsack. I doubt the context in which Israel is buried at -50 net favourability in most of western Europe and around 50% in the US is the context in which they can attack another country, in a way that is so obviously not self-defense that even the liberal media is calling it an attack, and have their enemies widely condemned instead of them. Compare the stuff Macron is saying about Israel vs Iran to the stuff Macron says about Israel vs Gaza. It’s not critically important, but it does matter to some extent. Think about all the other folks Israel could have killed when they assassinated the Hamas leader in Tehran. Whatever their reason, they are showing us very clearly right now they were using a lot of restraint previously. Whatever their reason, it’s apparently totally gone now | ||
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