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GreenHorizons
United States24391 Posts
On November 25 2023 03:09 maybenexttime wrote: Are you saying there is no terrorist activity in the West Bank? Definitely not saying that. I also recognize that even if every member of Hamas is killed, Israel will "discover" it has lots of new/other "threats" to ostensibly justify expanding/continuing their illegal occupation/ethnic cleansing campaign at whatever intensity they think they can get away with. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On November 25 2023 03:43 JimmyJRaynor wrote: The common denominator is the lazy locals. Every country has a batch of lazy locals. People that have been there for generations and have no intention on moving up in the world. When they see a jew or a guy from italy or a guy from india arrive ... he learns a new culture and language or 2 languages... works 60+ hours a week... never consumes alcohol.. and 10 years later they are an economic success. it makes it tough for the lazy locals to complain that it is impossible to "make it in this evil world". my family was resented by the french locals in quebec,canada because we made sure our kids spoke both french and english. meh, its their loss. If you can only speak 1 of Canada's official languages you are putting yourself at a big economic disadvantage. was it a PITA taking english lessons? ya. so what.. welcome to life. life is pain,. in 2023, this resentment would be given the big terrible label of "anti semitism". just think, if i couldn't speak english i wouldn't be able to talk about Starcraft on this forum board. talk about life enrichment!  People don’t claim it’s impossible, by and large they just don’t want to work 60+ hour weeks But, that aside anti-Jewish sentiment, least in Europe largely isn’t of the ‘they’re coming to take our jobs’ variety, indeed I can confidently say I’ve never heard that particular sentiment expressed. Whereas a lot of Islamophobia very much is tethered to that sentiment, in my experience anyway. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On November 25 2023 00:33 JimmiC wrote: Source? That is different from what I'm reading, whether it is here or else where. There is also massive increases in antisemitism and Islamophobia. An Ipsos poll was published nine days ago. "Most (57%) view Israel favorably, a seven point drop from October (64%). A majority from both political parties view Israel favorably, but Republicans (71%) are more likely to do so than Democrats (57%)." "Americans are split on whether Israel’s response has been excessive (50% agree, 50% disagree), Democrats are more likely to agree (62%) than Republicans (30%) and 76% say that Israel is doing what any country would do in response to a terror attack and taking of civilians hostages – a majority of Democrats (77%) and Republicans (83%) agree here. However, two in three (68%) of respondents also agree with the statement that "Israel should call a ceasefire and try to negotiate." " "About half (48%) of Americans say they feel sympathy for the Israeli and Palestinian people, 24% say they have more sympathy for Israeli people and 8% say they have more sympathy for Palestinian people, and 21% say neither." "Two in three Americans (67%) say that the U.S. must support Democratic countries when they are attacked. Democrats (80%) are more likely to agree with this than Republicans (65%)." https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/reuters-ipsos-israel-hamas-war-2024-election Note that a call for a ceasefire is not the same thing as opposing Israel in the conflict. Americans prefer a ceasefire over a war, but that doesn't imply opposition to Israel's actions or support for Palestinians. It's important to understand this difference. Furthermore, support for Israel has declined over time, but that wasn't an instant reaction to the bombardment. Throughout most of it, Israel has enjoyed majority American support, and still does. Support for American aid to Israel has also seen a decline. Unfortunately this is only true for the voters, not the party members. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States14003 Posts
On November 25 2023 03:09 maybenexttime wrote: Are you saying there is no terrorist activity in the West Bank? No there is, Israeli settlers still exist. Unless you're talking about the kids throwing rocks at tank? | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6323 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17942 Posts
On November 25 2023 04:19 WombaT wrote: People don’t claim it’s impossible, by and large they just don’t want to work 60+ hour weeks But, that aside anti-Jewish sentiment, least in Europe largely isn’t of the ‘they’re coming to take our jobs’ variety, indeed I can confidently say I’ve never heard that particular sentiment expressed. Whereas a lot of Islamophobia very much is tethered to that sentiment, in my experience anyway. To the lazy locals working 60 hours a week is impossible. Therefore, economic mobility is impossible. from my experience the anti semitism is not "they are coming to take our jobs". the anti semitism is an amplification of their resentment for a lower middle class person proving economic mobility is possible by working very hard. its not about "a job". so whether its a jew, a pakistani, a trinidadian .. they ain't happy to see anyone succeed. the lazy locals in NA do not want to learn any new language. Like ever. they then resent those who do learn a new language as "assimilating into the culture of our oppressor". whatever new language you are learning that is the oppressor du jour. The lazy locals also see Jewish businesses as syphoning off money from "their home economy". Which is why Jewish businesses get vandalized. OR its a gang of idiot teenagers who like to read about it in the news the next day. I'm telling ya... the cops are going to screaming for tens of millions to "combat hate crime'. That will be the result of all this. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States14003 Posts
On November 25 2023 05:16 RvB wrote: They're not just throwing rocks. They use slings. A sling can be a deadly weapon and kill. Ah shit, they're using slings, time to mow the lawn. I'll make my point quite clear because it's likely not to be caught, I remain concerned by the seriously lack of concern or respect for the lives of Palestinian civilian lives. All atrocities committed upon civilians (Pal or Israeli) is fucked up and to be avoided at all costs. The lengths by which the IDF's actions are justified is problematic. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17942 Posts
On November 25 2023 04:24 Magic Powers wrote: An Ipsos poll was published nine days ago. "Most (57%) view Israel favorably, a seven point drop from October (64%). A majority from both political parties view Israel favorably, but Republicans (71%) are more likely to do so than Democrats (57%)." https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/reuters-ipsos-israel-hamas-war-2024-election the average between 57 and 71 ain't 57. so non-democrat non-republicans were hugely anti israel? OR another example of the media failing at basic arithmetic which then throws into question other parts of this article. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On November 25 2023 05:28 JimmiC wrote: Why is that unfortunate? Without Aid Israel would certainly be ethnically cleansed and we there would no longer be a democracy even a flawed on in the area. Thanks for all that polling and putting it together it’s a good read, when I have more time I’ll go through it all. I find it unfortunate because it means little pressure will be on Israel to end the war. More aid enables more war efforts. If Israel sees American support for aid dry up, their leadership might have to change their tune. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On November 25 2023 06:01 JimmyJRaynor wrote: the average between 57 and 71 ain't 57. so non-democrat non-republicans were hugely anti israel? OR another example of the media failing at basic arithmetic which then throws into question other parts of this article. Good catch, but that would imply support might be even greater. | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
On November 25 2023 05:16 RvB wrote: They're not just throwing rocks. They use slings. A sling can be a deadly weapon and kill. normally Id assume this is sarcasm but knowing your stance I assume u are serious? | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
On November 25 2023 02:14 Cerebrate1 wrote: [...] Heck, if Hamas just surrender tomorrow, the killing could stop altogether ..[...] History clearly indicates that this is not the case. I dont know how you come to this conclusion. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17942 Posts
On November 25 2023 06:03 Magic Powers wrote: Good catch, but that would imply support might be even greater. 1.9% of americans were non-demo, non-repub. 1.6% are libertarians. 0.3% are other. not to propagate a jewish trope ... but ... let's face it... libertarians are by and large.. big time supporters of israel. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28911 Posts
On November 25 2023 07:07 JimmyJRaynor wrote: 1.9% of americans were non-demo, non-repub. 1.6% are libertarians. 0.3% are other. not to propagate a jewish trope ... but ... let's face it... libertarians are by and large.. big time supporters of israel. What? 49% of americans identify as independent. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17942 Posts
in the last election 98% of americans voted demo or republican. and if 49% do not fall into the 2 categories provided by the article then the documentation provided with the poll is both incomplete and misleading. This would not surprise me at all. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28911 Posts
On November 25 2023 07:31 JimmyJRaynor wrote: in the last election 98% of americans voted demo or republican. and if 49% do not fall into the 2 categories provided by the article then the documentation provided with the poll is both incomplete and misleading. This would not surprise me at all. What? In 2020, only 66% of eligible voters voted. You are ignoring the 'did not vote'-group, but it's the biggest one. If the non-voting group has something like say, 45% support for Israel (just guesstimating the math there going by 2020 numbers, not calculating), the numbers add up just fine. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On November 25 2023 05:30 JimmyJRaynor wrote: To the lazy locals working 60 hours a week is impossible. Therefore, economic mobility is impossible. from my experience the anti semitism is not "they are coming to take our jobs". the anti semitism is an amplification of their resentment for a lower middle class person proving economic mobility is possible by working very hard. its not about "a job". so whether its a jew, a pakistani, a trinidadian .. they ain't happy to see anyone succeed. the lazy locals in NA do not want to learn any new language. Like ever. they then resent those who do learn a new language as "assimilating into the culture of our oppressor". whatever new language you are learning that is the oppressor du jour. The lazy locals also see Jewish businesses as syphoning off money from "their home economy". Which is why Jewish businesses get vandalized. OR its a gang of idiot teenagers who like to read about it in the news the next day. I'm telling ya... the cops are going to screaming for tens of millions to "combat hate crime'. That will be the result of all this. This feels like you’re applying your personal bootstrap mentality which you apply to almost every other topic and attributing that, or the lack thereof to anti-Semitism and I really don’t feel that glove fits. Perhaps others have read/experienced differently but it’s certainly not what I’ve been exposed to. Interested to hear what the rest of our globally dispersed poster base think here! | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17942 Posts
the jewish business attacks ... that's anti-semitism. the vandalism of the Indigo bookstore in Toronto is anti-semitism with the sentiment that "local money" is being drained from the economy. https://www.cp24.com/news/vile-antisemitic-attack-police-investigating-graffiti-targeting-indigo-ceo-outside-downtown-store-1.6639708?cache=/7.6124 The vandals stated Heather Reisman was "funding genocide". What they're saying is she is taking profits from the book store and putting it towards Israel... which is very close to what i said about syphoning money off of the local economy. The hilarious thing is... this stupid chain of fancy bookstores has never made a dime. Her Billionaire husband bought her a $10M bookstore chain to keep her busy while he does the real work of making billions during the day. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/indigo-vandalism-charges-1.7037711 Footage from CP24’s cameras show dozens of posters bearing the image of Heather Reisman alongside the words “Funding Genocide” outside an Indigo store near Bay and Bloor streets. now had this been a gang of 15 year olds ... it could've been laughed off as garden variety high school idiocy. however, a 41 year old was charged. if he is convicted... then its probably anti-semitism. this is interesting... However, dozens of protesters gathered outside 52 Division on Wednesday, calling on police to drop the charges. They dispute that the alleged actions were "hate-motivated" and called for the release of those charged. In Canada, "indictable" means you're headed for real jail time. "summary" means a slap on the wrist. These guys are getting hit hard. Ten of those arrested face charges of mischief over $5,000 and conspiracy to commit an indictable offence. The 41-year-old who was arrested first is charged solely with mischief over $5,000. What were these morons doing vandalizing a store lit up like a Christmas tree surrounded by 10,000 security cameras? They could've easily vandalized an Indigo Bookstore in the suburbs at night with no lights. Forget the trial, these guys should go to jail right now for being stupid. Either that or they are "controlled opposition" LOL. | ||
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