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Yeah if a Trump runs in '24 it'll be one of the kids.
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On November 04 2020 20:18 Biff The Understudy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 04 2020 20:16 r00ty wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2020 20:04 Biff The Understudy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 04 2020 20:00 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2020 19:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 04 2020 19:54 Neneu wrote:On November 04 2020 19:52 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 04 2020 19:46 evilfatsh1t wrote:how does an election take place with a dead candidate? no offense to americans here but america is a fucking joke at the moment. It happens a lot more than you'd think, but the covid part was a cherry on top. I've mentioned before Dennis Hof who was a Republican that was literally a dead pimp (unclear if Trump thought this was who Lil Pump is) and won a seat in the Nevada state assembly in 2018. I can 100% say that would not be acceptable in my country, nor my understanding and perception what democracy is. Call me as smug european as you want, but that is just the failings of a failed democracy. I'm not one of the people you have to convince US democracy is a bad joke made worse when you realize all the killing we do in the name of spreading it. Do you think people would be talking about broken democracy if Biden had won convincingly? I don't. I think people (particularly BBC journalists, which is what i've been watching half the night) are measuring how broken the US is by how well Trump is doing, which is a bad measure imo. I mean, if the US was a successful democracy, Biden would have crushed Trump tonight. Electoral college, voter suppression, all those favour Trump. Not talking about gerrymandering when it comes to other races. Just for fairness sake: There is gerrymandering in Europe as well (France too). It's kinda normal in Germany, part of politics in school in my case even, a long time ago. Voted officials have the power to change district lines. After the unification e.g. the conservative majority made sure to disadvatage the left in Berlin. I've never heard of gerrymandering in France. At what level would that occur? The administrative map is completely frozen, we don't make up districts like that.
Sorry to just give you the wiki link, enough on my mind with US politics  + Show Spoiler +
I always saw it as a normal process of western democracy, if you have big demographic changes, it makes sense to be able to adapt. It was also abused by all sides over here, just not in the extend it's happening in the US, I'd say.
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On November 04 2020 20:04 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2020 20:00 Jockmcplop wrote:On November 04 2020 19:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 04 2020 19:54 Neneu wrote:On November 04 2020 19:52 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 04 2020 19:46 evilfatsh1t wrote:how does an election take place with a dead candidate? no offense to americans here but america is a fucking joke at the moment. It happens a lot more than you'd think, but the covid part was a cherry on top. I've mentioned before Dennis Hof who was a Republican that was literally a dead pimp (unclear if Trump thought this was who Lil Pump is) and won a seat in the Nevada state assembly in 2018. I can 100% say that would not be acceptable in my country, nor my understanding and perception what democracy is. Call me as smug european as you want, but that is just the failings of a failed democracy. I'm not one of the people you have to convince US democracy is a bad joke made worse when you realize all the killing we do in the name of spreading it. Do you think people would be talking about broken democracy if Biden had won convincingly? I don't. I think people (particularly BBC journalists, which is what i've been watching half the night) are measuring how broken the US is by how well Trump is doing, which is a bad measure imo. I mean, if the US was a successful democracy, Biden would have crushed Trump tonight. Electoral college, voter suppression, all those favour Trump. Not talking about gerrymandering when it comes to other races.
If the US were a successful democracy, then the incumbent would have been Clinton! (Popular vote.)
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On November 04 2020 20:24 r00ty wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2020 20:18 Biff The Understudy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 04 2020 20:16 r00ty wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2020 20:04 Biff The Understudy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 04 2020 20:00 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2020 19:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 04 2020 19:54 Neneu wrote:On November 04 2020 19:52 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 04 2020 19:46 evilfatsh1t wrote:how does an election take place with a dead candidate? no offense to americans here but america is a fucking joke at the moment. It happens a lot more than you'd think, but the covid part was a cherry on top. I've mentioned before Dennis Hof who was a Republican that was literally a dead pimp (unclear if Trump thought this was who Lil Pump is) and won a seat in the Nevada state assembly in 2018. I can 100% say that would not be acceptable in my country, nor my understanding and perception what democracy is. Call me as smug european as you want, but that is just the failings of a failed democracy. I'm not one of the people you have to convince US democracy is a bad joke made worse when you realize all the killing we do in the name of spreading it. Do you think people would be talking about broken democracy if Biden had won convincingly? I don't. I think people (particularly BBC journalists, which is what i've been watching half the night) are measuring how broken the US is by how well Trump is doing, which is a bad measure imo. I mean, if the US was a successful democracy, Biden would have crushed Trump tonight. Electoral college, voter suppression, all those favour Trump. Not talking about gerrymandering when it comes to other races. Just for fairness sake: There is gerrymandering in Europe as well (France too). It's kinda normal in Germany, part of politics in school in my case even, a long time ago. Voted officials have the power to change district lines. After the unification e.g. the conservative majority made sure to disadvatage the left in Berlin. I've never heard of gerrymandering in France. At what level would that occur? The administrative map is completely frozen, we don't make up districts like that. Sorry to just give you the wiki link, enough on my mind with US politics + Show Spoiler +I always saw it as a normal process of western democracy, if you have big demographic changes, it makes sense to be able to adapt. It was also abused by all sides over here, just not in the extend it's happening in the US, I'd say.
Yeah, that's like three cases (we have almost 100 departements) in 70 years, and it's extremely debatable that it was even done with the intention of gerrymandering. It's just not really a thing in our political system.
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On November 04 2020 20:20 Nouar wrote:
Can people please remember that if Trump loses tonight, he can continue to lead the republican party and run again in 2024 ?
Wouldn't that be even worse than him winning now ? I mean, as usual the dems would have to get the finances of the country out of the gutter, that is increasing taxes probably, and then you'll get the comments from Trump every day, again. And probably a 100% win in 4 years.
I don't even know what would be worse... But my head is hurting. The fact that it's that close is so baffling to the 80% of europeans that are not nuts. I remember that I was already baffled when Bush got reelected, but it gets worse every time, I can't even... And that's the leader of the free world... (for now)
I don't think they would let him to be honest. He's already eroded lines with a lot of Republicans which they cannot afford going into the next election.
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Any second now from Brown county. That should be almost all the votes at that point. Trump needs an 8k boost. (And if it is that close I can't even imagine the shitshow of a recount. Maybe worse than Gore / Bush 2000)
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On November 04 2020 20:12 Wegandi wrote:
The problem is that the remaining votes in NV are day of returns of mail in ballots (which NV quirk they mailed mail in ballots to everyone). I suspect that favors Trump because it is day of vote (essentially). It's going to be super close.
Mail in votes that arrived today could have been mailed at any time in the last few days, so I don't think this is a fair statement. It is likely less democratic leaning than the previous mail in vote days based on patterns in other states, but not by nearly as much as election day votes.
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I have no idea what is happening but it sure is exciting!
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Michigan, Georgia, Wisconsin, Nevada, etc., you can do it! I don't want to have to listen to daily incoherent ramblings for 4 more years, but sadly, it's hard to ignore the most powerful person on the planet.
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On November 04 2020 20:26 Biff The Understudy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 04 2020 20:24 r00ty wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2020 20:18 Biff The Understudy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 04 2020 20:16 r00ty wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2020 20:04 Biff The Understudy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 04 2020 20:00 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2020 19:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 04 2020 19:54 Neneu wrote:On November 04 2020 19:52 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 04 2020 19:46 evilfatsh1t wrote:how does an election take place with a dead candidate? no offense to americans here but america is a fucking joke at the moment. It happens a lot more than you'd think, but the covid part was a cherry on top. I've mentioned before Dennis Hof who was a Republican that was literally a dead pimp (unclear if Trump thought this was who Lil Pump is) and won a seat in the Nevada state assembly in 2018. I can 100% say that would not be acceptable in my country, nor my understanding and perception what democracy is. Call me as smug european as you want, but that is just the failings of a failed democracy. I'm not one of the people you have to convince US democracy is a bad joke made worse when you realize all the killing we do in the name of spreading it. Do you think people would be talking about broken democracy if Biden had won convincingly? I don't. I think people (particularly BBC journalists, which is what i've been watching half the night) are measuring how broken the US is by how well Trump is doing, which is a bad measure imo. I mean, if the US was a successful democracy, Biden would have crushed Trump tonight. Electoral college, voter suppression, all those favour Trump. Not talking about gerrymandering when it comes to other races. Just for fairness sake: There is gerrymandering in Europe as well (France too). It's kinda normal in Germany, part of politics in school in my case even, a long time ago. Voted officials have the power to change district lines. After the unification e.g. the conservative majority made sure to disadvatage the left in Berlin. I've never heard of gerrymandering in France. At what level would that occur? The administrative map is completely frozen, we don't make up districts like that. Sorry to just give you the wiki link, enough on my mind with US politics + Show Spoiler +I always saw it as a normal process of western democracy, if you have big demographic changes, it makes sense to be able to adapt. It was also abused by all sides over here, just not in the extend it's happening in the US, I'd say. Yeah, that's like three cases (we have almost 100 departements) in 70 years, and it's extremely debatable that it was even done with the intention of gerrymandering. It's just not really a thing in our political system.
Good for you, that's the way it's supposed to be. But it's there, makes sense but can be abused. It was abused over here many times, during the unification e.g.
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On November 04 2020 20:39 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2020 20:12 Wegandi wrote:
The problem is that the remaining votes in NV are day of returns of mail in ballots (which NV quirk they mailed mail in ballots to everyone). I suspect that favors Trump because it is day of vote (essentially). It's going to be super close. Mail in votes that arrived today could have been mailed at any time in the last few days, so I don't think this is a fair statement. It is likely less democratic leaning than the previous mail in vote days based on patterns in other states, but not by nearly as much as election day votes.
At least in FL I know a lot of people who had some trepidation about mailing in their ballot so they hand delivered their mail-in ballot day of at the polling location (all GOP btw). I expect this to hold roughly true and yes there will also be those post-marked earlier but received day of (which meant mailed late and that's also likely to be less Biden as the Biden EV presumably mailed their ballots way before 1-2 days before election day).
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Apparently Michigan is looking decently promising for the Democrats afterall, the gap got a lot smaller after the latest Wayne County ballot counting update.
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On November 04 2020 20:42 r00ty wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2020 20:26 Biff The Understudy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 04 2020 20:24 r00ty wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2020 20:18 Biff The Understudy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 04 2020 20:16 r00ty wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2020 20:04 Biff The Understudy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 04 2020 20:00 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2020 19:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 04 2020 19:54 Neneu wrote:On November 04 2020 19:52 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 04 2020 19:46 evilfatsh1t wrote:how does an election take place with a dead candidate? no offense to americans here but america is a fucking joke at the moment. It happens a lot more than you'd think, but the covid part was a cherry on top. I've mentioned before Dennis Hof who was a Republican that was literally a dead pimp (unclear if Trump thought this was who Lil Pump is) and won a seat in the Nevada state assembly in 2018. I can 100% say that would not be acceptable in my country, nor my understanding and perception what democracy is. Call me as smug european as you want, but that is just the failings of a failed democracy. I'm not one of the people you have to convince US democracy is a bad joke made worse when you realize all the killing we do in the name of spreading it. Do you think people would be talking about broken democracy if Biden had won convincingly? I don't. I think people (particularly BBC journalists, which is what i've been watching half the night) are measuring how broken the US is by how well Trump is doing, which is a bad measure imo. I mean, if the US was a successful democracy, Biden would have crushed Trump tonight. Electoral college, voter suppression, all those favour Trump. Not talking about gerrymandering when it comes to other races. Just for fairness sake: There is gerrymandering in Europe as well (France too). It's kinda normal in Germany, part of politics in school in my case even, a long time ago. Voted officials have the power to change district lines. After the unification e.g. the conservative majority made sure to disadvatage the left in Berlin. I've never heard of gerrymandering in France. At what level would that occur? The administrative map is completely frozen, we don't make up districts like that. Sorry to just give you the wiki link, enough on my mind with US politics + Show Spoiler +I always saw it as a normal process of western democracy, if you have big demographic changes, it makes sense to be able to adapt. It was also abused by all sides over here, just not in the extend it's happening in the US, I'd say. Yeah, that's like three cases (we have almost 100 departements) in 70 years, and it's extremely debatable that it was even done with the intention of gerrymandering. It's just not really a thing in our political system. Good for you, that's the way it's supposed to be. But it's there, makes sense but can be abused. It was abused over here many times, during the unification e.g.
Yeah. Weirdly enough what saves us is that our political geography is super stable and it's only changed for very good reasons. Recently they merged regions into super regions and communautés de communes (so like municipal communities - say, 12 villages becomes 25 villages) but not even the far right even mentioned gerrymandering.
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Apparently the votes in Brown County are a mix of mail in and day of voting. Going to be super close.
PS: Holleee shit how slow is their internet in Green Bay. Damn.
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On November 04 2020 20:45 Wegandi wrote:
Apparently the votes in Brown County are a mix of mail in and day of voting. Going to be super close.
You're following this very closely. Don't you hate both candidates approximately equally?
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On November 04 2020 20:47 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2020 20:45 Wegandi wrote:
Apparently the votes in Brown County are a mix of mail in and day of voting. Going to be super close. You're following this very closely. Don't you hate both candidates approximately equally?
It's like 55/45 I don't like Biden/Dems more than I don't like Trump and I really don't want Harris anywhere near the White House. At the very least if Biden wins it seems like GOP keeps Senate so not much will happen. I like gridlock. Either way, fun to follow even if I abhor the State.
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On November 04 2020 20:45 Wegandi wrote:
Apparently the votes in Brown County are a mix of mail in and day of voting. Going to be super close.
PS: Holleee shit how slow is their internet in Green Bay. Damn.
Let it go dude it's over, Biden wins the count.
See what happens with the supreme court.
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I'm listening to Destiny's stream for dumb reasons, and it's funny to hear the Brown county results being perpetually 15 to 30 minutes away
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On November 04 2020 20:44 Biff The Understudy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 04 2020 20:42 r00ty wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2020 20:26 Biff The Understudy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 04 2020 20:24 r00ty wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2020 20:18 Biff The Understudy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 04 2020 20:16 r00ty wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2020 20:04 Biff The Understudy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 04 2020 20:00 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2020 19:57 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 04 2020 19:54 Neneu wrote:On November 04 2020 19:52 GreenHorizons wrote:On November 04 2020 19:46 evilfatsh1t wrote:how does an election take place with a dead candidate? no offense to americans here but america is a fucking joke at the moment. It happens a lot more than you'd think, but the covid part was a cherry on top. I've mentioned before Dennis Hof who was a Republican that was literally a dead pimp (unclear if Trump thought this was who Lil Pump is) and won a seat in the Nevada state assembly in 2018. I can 100% say that would not be acceptable in my country, nor my understanding and perception what democracy is. Call me as smug european as you want, but that is just the failings of a failed democracy. I'm not one of the people you have to convince US democracy is a bad joke made worse when you realize all the killing we do in the name of spreading it. Do you think people would be talking about broken democracy if Biden had won convincingly? I don't. I think people (particularly BBC journalists, which is what i've been watching half the night) are measuring how broken the US is by how well Trump is doing, which is a bad measure imo. I mean, if the US was a successful democracy, Biden would have crushed Trump tonight. Electoral college, voter suppression, all those favour Trump. Not talking about gerrymandering when it comes to other races. Just for fairness sake: There is gerrymandering in Europe as well (France too). It's kinda normal in Germany, part of politics in school in my case even, a long time ago. Voted officials have the power to change district lines. After the unification e.g. the conservative majority made sure to disadvatage the left in Berlin. I've never heard of gerrymandering in France. At what level would that occur? The administrative map is completely frozen, we don't make up districts like that. Sorry to just give you the wiki link, enough on my mind with US politics + Show Spoiler +I always saw it as a normal process of western democracy, if you have big demographic changes, it makes sense to be able to adapt. It was also abused by all sides over here, just not in the extend it's happening in the US, I'd say. Yeah, that's like three cases (we have almost 100 departements) in 70 years, and it's extremely debatable that it was even done with the intention of gerrymandering. It's just not really a thing in our political system. Good for you, that's the way it's supposed to be. But it's there, makes sense but can be abused. It was abused over here many times, during the unification e.g. Yeah. Weirdly enough what saves us is that our political geography is super stable and it's only changed for very good reasons. Recently they merged regions into super regions and communautés de communes (so like municipal communities - say, 12 villages becomes 25 villages) but not even the far right even mentioned gerrymandering.
Same here, rural exodus -> districts and administrations merge -> lines get redrawn. No one cares most of the time.
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