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Broetchenholer
Germany1964 Posts
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Wegandi
United States2455 Posts
https://www.browncountywi.gov/i/f/files/County-Clerk/Elections/Election Results/2020/November/summary-final!.pdf | ||
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schaf
Germany1326 Posts
On November 04 2020 20:58 Broetchenholer wrote: The biggest problem with american democracy is still the ridiculous under representation of populous states in the senate. The fact that the new england states and the midwestern ones all count as one florida or texas is absurd. That a shift in politics by 5 percent of total count does not change the senate floor at all is ridiculous. We kind of have the same system with the Bundesrat, though (~second chamber with governors for Americans). | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18400 Posts
On November 04 2020 21:01 Wegandi wrote: Biden won WI. https://www.browncountywi.gov/i/f/files/County-Clerk/Elections/Election Results/2020/November/summary-final!.pdf Seems too close to call with only a 10k difference between them. Sure, Brown not leaning more towards Trump is definitely a positive sign, but I don't think it's done by any stretch of the imagination. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On November 04 2020 21:08 Acrofales wrote: Seems too close to call with only a 10k difference between them. Sure, Brown not leaning more towards Trump is definitely a positive sign, but I don't think it's done by any stretch of the imagination. It seems like it's mostly Kenosha that isn't done reporting, but it may not be enough to close the gap for Trump, especially if it's mostly mail-in votes left. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On November 04 2020 21:08 Acrofales wrote: Seems too close to call with only a 10k difference between them. Sure, Brown not leaning more towards Trump is definitely a positive sign, but I don't think it's done by any stretch of the imagination. In the PDF they call it unofficial results, in all caps | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22493 Posts
On November 04 2020 21:14 farvacola wrote: Yeah the problem with these narrow results is that it gives Trump ammunition to fight in the courts. I think Biden will end up squeaking by in the next week, but it'll prolly go to SCOTUS after that. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
Aka not Biden or Clinton. I'm sure they'll learn this lesson this time. For sure. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
The doom-and-gloom projections for Biden were a bit premature. With mail-in ballots being all that's left in WI/MI/PA, Biden looks like he has a pretty good chance to sweep there. Even if he doesn't take PA, he has a good lifeline in GA, and still has a chance in NC . As Farv said though, this is most certainly going to go to the Supreme Court. This is the kind of thing that could lead to protests and riots if they start throwing out ballots and it makes a meaningful difference in the election. | ||
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
On November 04 2020 21:16 Gorsameth wrote: Yeah the problem with these narrow results is that it gives Trump ammunition to fight in the courts. Yeah he'll find something to hang his lawsuit hat on, but if its the legitimacy of mail-in ballots or something like that, SCOTUS will rule against Trump, especially because of what doing so sets them up for in the future. It's the perfect chance for them to clean the slate before ruling on the stuff they care about. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
Never in my life have I wished to be wrong more fervently. + Show Spoiler + On November 03 2020 20:37 Belisarius wrote: Alright, I'll join the prediction game. - By the evening, Trump - Trump tries to freeze/throw out counts as soon as a halfway-favourable map comes up (this is the surest bet around imo). - Rs fall in line and push it to SCOTUS, one third of which was appointed by the person they are supposed to rule on. - By now it is abundantly clear that Biden has won. - Months of misdirection and alternative facts ensue. - Eventually the court punts to the house because doing so makes the whole thing look more legitimate. - The new house is still not blue enough to carry the state-by-state vote, and Trump is returned. - The rest of the world uninstalls. | ||
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18400 Posts
On November 04 2020 21:17 Zambrah wrote: That it's had to be this close should be a wake up call that you should choose charismatic candidates and not rely on swinging votes from the opposite party. Even a Donald Trump won't sway a Republican from voting Republican, Democrats should focus on candidates that are popular, do popular things, and that people actively like. Aka not Biden or Clinton. I'm sure they'll learn this lesson this time. For sure. Insofar as I understand things, Biden is well liked. Probably more well-liked than Bernie Sanders. And yes, my own personal political opinion is way more in line with Bernie Sanders than Joe Biden. Biden would be right in the middle of the VVD in the Netherlands, and I have never and will never vote VVD. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18722 Posts
On November 04 2020 21:21 Acrofales wrote: Insofar as I understand things, Biden is well liked. Probably more well-liked than Bernie Sanders. And yes, my own personal political opinion is way more in line with Bernie Sanders than Joe Biden. Biden would be right in the middle of the VVD in the Netherlands, and I have never and will never vote VVD. Biden was only more well liked by the rich and the super rich | ||
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18400 Posts
On November 04 2020 21:19 Belisarius wrote: Yep. You're up, farv Never in my life have I wished to be wrong more fervently. + Show Spoiler + On November 03 2020 20:37 Belisarius wrote: Alright, I'll join the prediction game. - By the evening, Trump - Trump tries to freeze/throw out counts as soon as a halfway-favourable map comes up (this is the surest bet around imo). - Rs fall in line and push it to SCOTUS, one third of which was appointed by the person they are supposed to rule on. - By now it is abundantly clear that Biden has won. - Months of misdirection and alternative facts ensue. - Eventually the court punts to the house because doing so makes the whole thing look more legitimate. - The new house is still not blue enough to carry the state-by-state vote, and Trump is returned. - The rest of the world uninstalls. Well, the court can't punt it to the house. At least not in the way you appear to think. Unless you think the court is going to engineer a split electoral college? Also, you missed the step where Biden does in fact eventually win, by a very thin margin, but faithless electors cause a tie, and *then* it's punted to the house who install Trump. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8277 Posts
On November 04 2020 21:22 sharkie wrote: Biden was only more well liked by the rich and the super rich Aka: the people who matters, because elections cost money | ||
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