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Grettin
42417 Posts
On November 04 2020 20:07 KungKras wrote: How does it look, bad or good for Biden? I mean, according to the election maps Biden is leading by all the tossup states look like they're going to Trump? Votes are still coming in/being counted in bigger areas. The race is still close. | ||
KwarK
United States44393 Posts
On November 04 2020 20:08 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Any reason nevada isn't resuming counting until thursday? They're still counting, they're just not live reporting the counts because it'd be silly to update it each time a new vote arrived. They've counted the votes they've got but they plan to count any votes that were postmarked before the election and were delayed by USPS. They'll give us an update on Thursday. That seems reasonable. | ||
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KungKras
Sweden484 Posts
It's already going to take decades to repair the damage Trump has done to the world and to american democracy. I don't want to imagine what he could do in four more years. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On November 04 2020 20:08 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Any reason nevada isn't resuming counting until thursday? All votes in Nevada that are in are counted according to officials. Only votes left would be votes arriving in the mail in the future with a poststamp that makes it eligeable for the election. So there is nothing left to count in Nevada, only some that were (will have been?) delayed by mail. | ||
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Wegandi
United States2455 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18473 Posts
Pim Fortuyn was murdered on May 6, 2002. He was still electable on May 15. Granted, that's 9 days instead of a month, but he was also the personification of his party and his politics, whereas this guy is more like somoene way downballot on the list. No clue what the Dutch would do, but one of the key differences is that while people are important in Dutch elections, your primary vote is for the party, not for the person. The personal votes (voting for specific candidates for any given party) only affect the "ranking" within a party, the total seats they get is determined by the total of votes for the party. So people voting for dead people is considerably less important: one may firstly assume that a vote for the dead people is still a vote for the party, and the ideals and policy proposals that party supports. Someone else in that party is expected to represent the same (but may do it with less flair/charisma, or a different personal focus). | ||
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Shingi11
290 Posts
On November 04 2020 20:08 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Any reason nevada isn't resuming counting until thursday? Nevada counted pretty much everything. And unless lots of the late arrival votes and absentee broke for Trump witch is unlikely since Biden has been running up huge margins there it should stay blue | ||
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Wegandi
United States2455 Posts
On November 04 2020 20:11 Toadesstern wrote: All votes in Nevada that are in are counted according to officials. Only votes left would be votes arriving in the mail in the future with a poststamp that makes it eligeable for the election. So there is nothing left to count in Nevada, only some that were (will have been?) delayed by mail. Not true. They're not counting day of returns of mail in ballots yet. Literally the Nevada Election (confirmed) twitter reported this. Here’s what is left to count: -Mail ballots received on Election Day -Mail ballots that will be received over the next week -Provisional ballots Ballots outstanding is difficult to estimate in Nevada because every voter was sent a mail ballot. Obviously, not all will vote. | ||
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KungKras
Sweden484 Posts
On November 04 2020 20:10 Grettin wrote: Votes are still coming in/being counted in bigger areas. The race is still close. I see And there are enough uncounted votes that the tossup states can still change colour at any time? | ||
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Excludos
Norway8281 Posts
On November 04 2020 20:14 KungKras wrote: I see And there are enough uncounted votes that the tossup states can still change colour at any time? Yes. Although I don't want to give hope, some of the remaining states have not started counting mail in ballots yet, which overwhelmingly support Biden | ||
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r00ty
Germany1099 Posts
On November 04 2020 20:04 Biff The Understudy wrote: + Show Spoiler + On November 04 2020 20:00 Jockmcplop wrote: Do you think people would be talking about broken democracy if Biden had won convincingly? I don't. I think people (particularly BBC journalists, which is what i've been watching half the night) are measuring how broken the US is by how well Trump is doing, which is a bad measure imo. I mean, if the US was a successful democracy, Biden would have crushed Trump tonight. Electoral college, voter suppression, all those favour Trump. Just for fairness sake: There is gerrymandering in Europe as well (France too). It's kinda normal in Germany, part of politics in school in my case even, a long time ago. Voted officials have the power to change district lines. After the unification e.g. the conservative majority made sure to disadvatage the left in Berlin. | ||
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
On November 04 2020 20:09 Shingi11 wrote: So there is about 400k left in Georgia and a lot of that is in Biden County. We could see a win by ether side by a couple thousand The counties with the biggest shares of votes outstanding in Michigan are also Biden favs (Genessee, Wayne, Ingham, Oakland). | ||
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Shingi11
290 Posts
On November 04 2020 20:14 KungKras wrote: I see And there are enough uncounted votes that the tossup states can still change colour at any time? Yes A lot of the vote that is still out there is expected to heavily favor biden | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On November 04 2020 20:14 Wegandi wrote: Not true. They're not counting day of returns of mail in ballots yet. Literally the Nevada Election (confirmed) twitter reported this. ah yeah you're right | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8209 Posts
On November 04 2020 20:16 r00ty wrote: Just for fairness sake: There is gerrymandering in Europe as well (France too). It's kinda normal in Germany, part of politics in school in my case even, a long time ago. Voted officials have the power to change district lines. After the unification e.g. the conservative majority made sure to disadvatage the left in Berlin. I've never heard of gerrymandering in France. At what level would that occur? The administrative map is completely frozen, we don't make up districts like that. | ||
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
Wouldn't that be even worse than him winning now ? I mean, as usual the dems would have to get the finances of the country out of the gutter, that is increasing taxes probably, and then you'll get the comments from Trump every day, again. And probably a 100% win in 4 years. I don't even know what would be worse... But my head is hurting. The fact that it's that close is so baffling to the 80% of europeans that are not nuts. I remember that I was already baffled when Bush got reelected, but it gets worse every time, I can't even... And that's the leader of the free world... (for now) | ||
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Luolis
Finland7198 Posts
On November 04 2020 20:20 Nouar wrote: Can people please remember that if Trump loses tonight, he can continue to lead the republican party and run again in 2024 ? Wouldn't that be even worse than him winning now ? I mean, as usual the dems would have to get the finances of the country out of the gutter, that is increasing taxes probably, and then you'll get the comments from Trump every day, again. And probably a 100% win in 4 years. I don't even know what would be worse... But my head is hurting. The fact that it's that close is so baffling to the 80% of europeans that are not nuts. I remember that I was already baffled when Bush got reelected, but it gets worse every time, I can't even... And that's the leader of the free world... (for now) I think Trump will get a heart attack before 2024. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8281 Posts
On November 04 2020 20:20 Nouar wrote: Can people please remember that if Trump loses tonight, he can continue to lead the republican party and run again in 2024 ? Wouldn't that be even worse than him winning now ? I mean, as usual the dems would have to get the finances of the country out of the gutter, that is increasing taxes probably, and then you'll get the comments from Trump every day, again. And probably a 100% win in 4 years. I don't even know what would be worse... But my head is hurting. The fact that it's that close is so baffling to the 80% of europeans that are not nuts. I remember that I was already baffled when Bush got reelected, but it gets worse every time, I can't even... And that's the leader of the free world... (for now) Almost zero percent chance of Trump rerunning if he loses. The amount of court cases (both criminal and civil) he has queued up against him will not be kind. He is likely to try to escape to Russia (which he himself claimed he would do. If you ever wonder what Trump plans on doing next, he'll probably already said it himself) | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
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Wegandi
United States2455 Posts
Trump needs to expand margin from +14k to +22k. Should be any minute. | ||
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