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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42412 Posts
November 04 2020 11:10 GMT
#1641
On November 04 2020 20:07 KungKras wrote:
How does it look, bad or good for Biden?

I mean, according to the election maps Biden is leading by all the tossup states look like they're going to Trump?


Votes are still coming in/being counted in bigger areas. The race is still close.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44205 Posts
November 04 2020 11:10 GMT
#1642
On November 04 2020 20:08 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Any reason nevada isn't resuming counting until thursday?

They're still counting, they're just not live reporting the counts because it'd be silly to update it each time a new vote arrived.
They've counted the votes they've got but they plan to count any votes that were postmarked before the election and were delayed by USPS. They'll give us an update on Thursday. That seems reasonable.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
KungKras
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden484 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-04 11:13:07
November 04 2020 11:11 GMT
#1643
This is so scary.
It's already going to take decades to repair the damage Trump has done to the world and to american democracy. I don't want to imagine what he could do in four more years.
"When life gives me lemons, I go look for oranges"
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-04 11:12:42
November 04 2020 11:11 GMT
#1644
On November 04 2020 20:08 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Any reason nevada isn't resuming counting until thursday?

All votes in Nevada that are in are counted according to officials. Only votes left would be votes arriving in the mail in the future with a poststamp that makes it eligeable for the election.
So there is nothing left to count in Nevada, only some that were (will have been?) delayed by mail.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
November 04 2020 11:12 GMT
#1645
The problem is that the remaining votes in NV are day of returns of mail in ballots (which NV quirk they mailed mail in ballots to everyone). I suspect that favors Trump because it is day of vote (essentially). It's going to be super close.
Thank you bureaucrats for all your hard work, your commitment to public service and public good is essential to the lives of so many. Also, for Pete's sake can we please get some gun control already, no need for hand guns and assault rifles for the public
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18400 Posts
November 04 2020 11:13 GMT
#1646
On November 04 2020 19:51 Neneu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 19:50 Gorsameth wrote:
On November 04 2020 19:47 sharkie wrote:
On November 04 2020 19:43 GreenHorizons wrote:
For people perplexed by Trump's performance despite covid I submit North Dakota's 8th District state legislature:

A Republican won his race despite dying from covid a month ago.

GOP state legislature candidate in North Dakota who died of Covid wins election


how is he even on the list?
Because these lists are drawn up months before the election and are not changed after because of time to print and distrubute ect?

He died Oct 5th. So not enough time to change the ballots.



Would that be acceptable in your country?

Pim Fortuyn was murdered on May 6, 2002. He was still electable on May 15. Granted, that's 9 days instead of a month, but he was also the personification of his party and his politics, whereas this guy is more like somoene way downballot on the list. No clue what the Dutch would do, but one of the key differences is that while people are important in Dutch elections, your primary vote is for the party, not for the person. The personal votes (voting for specific candidates for any given party) only affect the "ranking" within a party, the total seats they get is determined by the total of votes for the party. So people voting for dead people is considerably less important: one may firstly assume that a vote for the dead people is still a vote for the party, and the ideals and policy proposals that party supports. Someone else in that party is expected to represent the same (but may do it with less flair/charisma, or a different personal focus).
Shingi11
Profile Joined May 2016
290 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-04 11:14:25
November 04 2020 11:13 GMT
#1647
On November 04 2020 20:08 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Any reason nevada isn't resuming counting until thursday?


Nevada counted pretty much everything. And unless lots of the late arrival votes and absentee broke for Trump witch is unlikely since Biden has been running up huge margins there it should stay blue
Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-04 11:15:29
November 04 2020 11:14 GMT
#1648
On November 04 2020 20:11 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 20:08 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Any reason nevada isn't resuming counting until thursday?

All votes in Nevada that are in are counted according to officials. Only votes left would be votes arriving in the mail in the future with a poststamp that makes it eligeable for the election.
So there is nothing left to count in Nevada, only some that were (will have been?) delayed by mail.


Not true. They're not counting day of returns of mail in ballots yet. Literally the Nevada Election (confirmed) twitter reported this.


Here’s what is left to count:

-Mail ballots received on Election Day
-Mail ballots that will be received over the next week
-Provisional ballots

Ballots outstanding is difficult to estimate in Nevada because every voter was sent a mail ballot. Obviously, not all will vote.
Thank you bureaucrats for all your hard work, your commitment to public service and public good is essential to the lives of so many. Also, for Pete's sake can we please get some gun control already, no need for hand guns and assault rifles for the public
KungKras
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden484 Posts
November 04 2020 11:14 GMT
#1649
On November 04 2020 20:10 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 20:07 KungKras wrote:
How does it look, bad or good for Biden?

I mean, according to the election maps Biden is leading by all the tossup states look like they're going to Trump?


Votes are still coming in/being counted in bigger areas. The race is still close.


I see

And there are enough uncounted votes that the tossup states can still change colour at any time?
"When life gives me lemons, I go look for oranges"
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8277 Posts
November 04 2020 11:16 GMT
#1650
On November 04 2020 20:14 KungKras wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 20:10 Grettin wrote:
On November 04 2020 20:07 KungKras wrote:
How does it look, bad or good for Biden?

I mean, according to the election maps Biden is leading by all the tossup states look like they're going to Trump?


Votes are still coming in/being counted in bigger areas. The race is still close.


I see

And there are enough uncounted votes that the tossup states can still change colour at any time?


Yes. Although I don't want to give hope, some of the remaining states have not started counting mail in ballots yet, which overwhelmingly support Biden
r00ty
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1083 Posts
November 04 2020 11:16 GMT
#1651
On November 04 2020 20:04 Biff The Understudy wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 04 2020 20:00 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 19:57 GreenHorizons wrote:
On November 04 2020 19:54 Neneu wrote:
On November 04 2020 19:52 GreenHorizons wrote:
On November 04 2020 19:46 evilfatsh1t wrote:
On November 04 2020 19:43 GreenHorizons wrote:
For people perplexed by Trump's performance despite covid I submit North Dakota's 8th District state legislature:

A Republican won his race despite dying from covid a month ago.

GOP state legislature candidate in North Dakota who died of Covid wins election

how does an election take place with a dead candidate?
no offense to americans here but america is a fucking joke at the moment.

It happens a lot more than you'd think, but the covid part was a cherry on top. I've mentioned before Dennis Hof who was a Republican that was literally a dead pimp (unclear if Trump thought this was who Lil Pump is) and won a seat in the Nevada state assembly in 2018.


I can 100% say that would not be acceptable in my country, nor my understanding and perception what democracy is.

Call me as smug european as you want, but that is just the failings of a failed democracy.

I'm not one of the people you have to convince US democracy is a bad joke made worse when you realize all the killing we do in the name of spreading it.


Do you think people would be talking about broken democracy if Biden had won convincingly? I don't. I think people (particularly BBC journalists, which is what i've been watching half the night) are measuring how broken the US is by how well Trump is doing, which is a bad measure imo.

I mean, if the US was a successful democracy, Biden would have crushed Trump tonight. Electoral college, voter suppression, all those favour Trump.
Not talking about gerrymandering when it comes to other races.


Just for fairness sake: There is gerrymandering in Europe as well (France too). It's kinda normal in Germany, part of politics in school in my case even, a long time ago. Voted officials have the power to change district lines. After the unification e.g. the conservative majority made sure to disadvatage the left in Berlin.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
November 04 2020 11:16 GMT
#1652
On November 04 2020 20:09 Shingi11 wrote:
So there is about 400k left in Georgia and a lot of that is in Biden County. We could see a win by ether side by a couple thousand

The counties with the biggest shares of votes outstanding in Michigan are also Biden favs (Genessee, Wayne, Ingham, Oakland).
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Shingi11
Profile Joined May 2016
290 Posts
November 04 2020 11:17 GMT
#1653
On November 04 2020 20:14 KungKras wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 20:10 Grettin wrote:
On November 04 2020 20:07 KungKras wrote:
How does it look, bad or good for Biden?

I mean, according to the election maps Biden is leading by all the tossup states look like they're going to Trump?


Votes are still coming in/being counted in bigger areas. The race is still close.


I see

And there are enough uncounted votes that the tossup states can still change colour at any time?


Yes

A lot of the vote that is still out there is expected to heavily favor biden
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
November 04 2020 11:18 GMT
#1654
On November 04 2020 20:14 Wegandi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 20:11 Toadesstern wrote:
On November 04 2020 20:08 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Any reason nevada isn't resuming counting until thursday?

All votes in Nevada that are in are counted according to officials. Only votes left would be votes arriving in the mail in the future with a poststamp that makes it eligeable for the election.
So there is nothing left to count in Nevada, only some that were (will have been?) delayed by mail.


Not true. They're not counting day of returns of mail in ballots yet. Literally the Nevada Election (confirmed) twitter reported this.


Show nested quote +
Here’s what is left to count:

-Mail ballots received on Election Day
-Mail ballots that will be received over the next week
-Provisional ballots

Ballots outstanding is difficult to estimate in Nevada because every voter was sent a mail ballot. Obviously, not all will vote.

ah yeah you're right
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8153 Posts
November 04 2020 11:18 GMT
#1655
On November 04 2020 20:16 r00ty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 20:04 Biff The Understudy wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 04 2020 20:00 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 19:57 GreenHorizons wrote:
On November 04 2020 19:54 Neneu wrote:
On November 04 2020 19:52 GreenHorizons wrote:
On November 04 2020 19:46 evilfatsh1t wrote:
On November 04 2020 19:43 GreenHorizons wrote:
For people perplexed by Trump's performance despite covid I submit North Dakota's 8th District state legislature:

A Republican won his race despite dying from covid a month ago.

GOP state legislature candidate in North Dakota who died of Covid wins election

how does an election take place with a dead candidate?
no offense to americans here but america is a fucking joke at the moment.

It happens a lot more than you'd think, but the covid part was a cherry on top. I've mentioned before Dennis Hof who was a Republican that was literally a dead pimp (unclear if Trump thought this was who Lil Pump is) and won a seat in the Nevada state assembly in 2018.


I can 100% say that would not be acceptable in my country, nor my understanding and perception what democracy is.

Call me as smug european as you want, but that is just the failings of a failed democracy.

I'm not one of the people you have to convince US democracy is a bad joke made worse when you realize all the killing we do in the name of spreading it.


Do you think people would be talking about broken democracy if Biden had won convincingly? I don't. I think people (particularly BBC journalists, which is what i've been watching half the night) are measuring how broken the US is by how well Trump is doing, which is a bad measure imo.

I mean, if the US was a successful democracy, Biden would have crushed Trump tonight. Electoral college, voter suppression, all those favour Trump.
Not talking about gerrymandering when it comes to other races.


Just for fairness sake: There is gerrymandering in Europe as well (France too). It's kinda normal in Germany, part of politics in school in my case even, a long time ago. Voted officials have the power to change district lines. After the unification e.g. the conservative majority made sure to disadvatage the left in Berlin.

I've never heard of gerrymandering in France. At what level would that occur? The administrative map is completely frozen, we don't make up districts like that.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
November 04 2020 11:20 GMT
#1656
Can people please remember that if Trump loses tonight, he can continue to lead the republican party and run again in 2024 ?
Wouldn't that be even worse than him winning now ? I mean, as usual the dems would have to get the finances of the country out of the gutter, that is increasing taxes probably, and then you'll get the comments from Trump every day, again. And probably a 100% win in 4 years.

I don't even know what would be worse... But my head is hurting. The fact that it's that close is so baffling to the 80% of europeans that are not nuts. I remember that I was already baffled when Bush got reelected, but it gets worse every time, I can't even... And that's the leader of the free world... (for now)
NoiR
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7190 Posts
November 04 2020 11:21 GMT
#1657
On November 04 2020 20:20 Nouar wrote:
Can people please remember that if Trump loses tonight, he can continue to lead the republican party and run again in 2024 ?
Wouldn't that be even worse than him winning now ? I mean, as usual the dems would have to get the finances of the country out of the gutter, that is increasing taxes probably, and then you'll get the comments from Trump every day, again. And probably a 100% win in 4 years.

I don't even know what would be worse... But my head is hurting. The fact that it's that close is so baffling to the 80% of europeans that are not nuts. I remember that I was already baffled when Bush got reelected, but it gets worse every time, I can't even... And that's the leader of the free world... (for now)

I think Trump will get a heart attack before 2024.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8277 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-04 11:24:34
November 04 2020 11:22 GMT
#1658
On November 04 2020 20:20 Nouar wrote:
Can people please remember that if Trump loses tonight, he can continue to lead the republican party and run again in 2024 ?
Wouldn't that be even worse than him winning now ? I mean, as usual the dems would have to get the finances of the country out of the gutter, that is increasing taxes probably, and then you'll get the comments from Trump every day, again. And probably a 100% win in 4 years.

I don't even know what would be worse... But my head is hurting. The fact that it's that close is so baffling to the 80% of europeans that are not nuts. I remember that I was already baffled when Bush got reelected, but it gets worse every time, I can't even... And that's the leader of the free world... (for now)


Almost zero percent chance of Trump rerunning if he loses. The amount of court cases (both criminal and civil) he has queued up against him will not be kind. He is likely to try to escape to Russia (which he himself claimed he would do. If you ever wonder what Trump plans on doing next, he'll probably already said it himself)
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
November 04 2020 11:22 GMT
#1659
Even if Trump wins, Trump Jr. would be the next candidate probably... lol.
Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
November 04 2020 11:22 GMT
#1660
https://www.browncountywi.gov/departments/county-clerk/elections/2020-election-results/

Trump needs to expand margin from +14k to +22k. Should be any minute.
Thank you bureaucrats for all your hard work, your commitment to public service and public good is essential to the lives of so many. Also, for Pete's sake can we please get some gun control already, no need for hand guns and assault rifles for the public
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