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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14003 Posts
November 04 2020 05:30 GMT
#1181
On November 04 2020 14:24 [Phantom] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 14:19 LegalLord wrote:
On November 04 2020 14:17 DropBear wrote:
As a non American who doesn't really understand what's going on, is there a clear leader yet or are things still up in the air?

Still up in the air and too close to call.


I'm not from the US but why are you guys saying it's close? Cause from the outside it doesn't seem that way.

The maps/results so far have Biden literally 100 points above Trump, and everything I read/have heard/wacthes says that the mail voting that will come in the upcoming days will favor Biden.

So Biden is ahead in the same-day voting and in expected to be ahead in the voting that will be revieced in the upcoming days.

How is that close?

I see Trump has more states, but the states he has are worth less (which is a stupid system, but whatever). As well as more actual votes, but again that is worthless (which is also stupid, but it would be funny if Trump loses the same way he had won against Hilary).

AP maps aren't updated properly, its more like 230-220 give or take atm. It falls to a couple of states trump is up 15% in not including main in ballots, so yes, its very close
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14003 Posts
November 04 2020 05:30 GMT
#1182
On November 04 2020 14:28 FlaShFTW wrote:
Looks like Republicans will barely hold the Senate. It will be 48-51 in favor of Republicans and one special election seat to be filled in Georgia.

yeah im not thrilled about that
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Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5049 Posts
November 04 2020 05:30 GMT
#1183
RIP court packing at least. Who knew that wasnt a winning electoral message?
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-04 05:37:53
November 04 2020 05:30 GMT
#1184
On November 04 2020 14:12 Shingi11 wrote:
So as us on left have dreams shattered about a big biden the win, the question becomes how do we move forward no matter who wins. As they elections has shown we split right down the middle and are so very divided. There are very few issues where we are even close to being in agreement on. Both side think the other is crazy. We are tearing our self apart and i see no way back. What common ground is there to find when we are opposite sides of an ocean.


That's been an ongoing question for awhile now. I think the reason people believe crazy things is because there is so little journalistic integrity. We can't even agree upon facts, much less all the opinions and inferences that rely upon them. And education of course too but that will take decades to correct. But reforms in either area seem to require a concerted, unified effort - the very thing we are lacking and trying to achieve. tl;dr it seems pretty hopeless.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
November 04 2020 05:32 GMT
#1185
On November 04 2020 14:24 [Phantom] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 14:19 LegalLord wrote:
On November 04 2020 14:17 DropBear wrote:
As a non American who doesn't really understand what's going on, is there a clear leader yet or are things still up in the air?

Still up in the air and too close to call.


I'm not from the US but why are you guys saying it's close? Cause from the outside it doesn't seem that way.

The maps/results so far have Biden literally 100 points above Trump, and everything I read/have heard/wacthes says that the mail voting that will come in the upcoming days will favor Biden.

So Biden is ahead in the same-day voting and in expected to be ahead in the voting that will be revieced in the upcoming days.

How is that close?

I see Trump has more states, but the states he has are worth less (which is a stupid system, but whatever). As well as more actual votes, but again that is worthless (which is also stupid, but it would be funny if Trump loses the same way he had won against Hilary).

Biden will very immediately win many electoral votes from safe states that include California, New York, Massachusetts, and others, making reaching 200 points a very easy affair. Trump gets a few less of those, but many of the heavy hitters like Texas are very much out of reach for Biden unless there's a blowout in Biden's favor. Add that to the couple of swing states Trump won, and he's going to be in the 200s soon enough.

What it really comes down to at this point is the couple of states that could put either candidate over the 270 line, which at this point are Pennsylvania, Georgia, Arizona, Michigan, and Wisconsin. There's about 100 electoral votes at play there, and all of those states are too close to call at this point.

Biden leads in the states where mail-in votes were counted and reported first, Trump in the states where in-person votes were counted first. Overall Biden is probably more favored than not to win, but he has to win a majority of those five states at play to get to 270. At this point they could all go either way.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
November 04 2020 05:32 GMT
#1186
On November 04 2020 14:28 FlaShFTW wrote:
Looks like Republicans will barely hold the Senate. It will be 48-51 in favor of Republicans and one special election seat to be filled in Georgia.


Is this with James flipping the MI seat?
Thank you bureaucrats for all your hard work, your commitment to public service and public good is essential to the lives of so many. Also, for Pete's sake can we please get some gun control already, no need for hand guns and assault rifles for the public
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
November 04 2020 05:36 GMT
#1187
St. Paul finally reported most of their votes.

Minnesota is reporting 81% with Biden having a 12.3% lead. It's a >300,000 vote lead.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24394 Posts
November 04 2020 05:37 GMT
#1188
The only way for me to think Democrats wouldn't have been blown out of the water by Republicans were it not for covid is to assume it had no significant negative effect on Trump's performance tonight.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
November 04 2020 05:38 GMT
#1189
Hey Jimmi looks like TX is going to be Trump +7% lol. What were you saying earlier?
Thank you bureaucrats for all your hard work, your commitment to public service and public good is essential to the lives of so many. Also, for Pete's sake can we please get some gun control already, no need for hand guns and assault rifles for the public
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
November 04 2020 05:38 GMT
#1190
On November 04 2020 14:30 Starlightsun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 14:12 Shingi11 wrote:
So as us on left have dreams shattered about a big biden the win, the question becomes how do we move forward no matter who wins. As they elections has shown we split right down the middle and are so very divided. There are very few issues where we are even close to being in agreement on. Both side think the other is crazy. We are tearing our self apart and i see no way back. What common ground is there to find when we are opposite sides of an ocean.


That's been an ongoing question for awhile now. I think the reason people believe crazy things is because there is so little journalistic integrity. We can't even agree upon facts, much less all the opinions and inferences that rely upon them. And education of course too but that will take decades to correct. But reforms in either area seem to require a concerted, unified effort - the very thing we are lacking and trying to correct. tl;dr it seems pretty hopeless.

Maybe the government can just do nothing for four years and we can call it a day.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10570 Posts
November 04 2020 05:40 GMT
#1191
Well at least with Texas staying red I get 15 bucks. Still, I'd rather have paid the 20 than this happening. Bleah.

Wisconsin is looking more and more tedious from my view. Brown County is a big one, 55% reporting and Trump won this by 11% in 2016, up 15% right now. He's actually managed to win by bigger margins this time around. I don't think there's enough of an urban vote left for Biden in Milwaukee
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
November 04 2020 05:41 GMT
#1192
I don't think a 51-49 (or 52-48) GOP senate will be the same under Biden as it would have been under Obama.

Biden's white (the most important factor), a former senator, and was president of the senate four years ago, and is much less polarizing than Trump.

At least, that's what I'm consoling myself with.
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10570 Posts
November 04 2020 05:41 GMT
#1193
NYT finally has called Florida for Trump.
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
TL+ Member
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
November 04 2020 05:43 GMT
#1194
On November 04 2020 14:38 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 14:30 Starlightsun wrote:
On November 04 2020 14:12 Shingi11 wrote:
So as us on left have dreams shattered about a big biden the win, the question becomes how do we move forward no matter who wins. As they elections has shown we split right down the middle and are so very divided. There are very few issues where we are even close to being in agreement on. Both side think the other is crazy. We are tearing our self apart and i see no way back. What common ground is there to find when we are opposite sides of an ocean.


That's been an ongoing question for awhile now. I think the reason people believe crazy things is because there is so little journalistic integrity. We can't even agree upon facts, much less all the opinions and inferences that rely upon them. And education of course too but that will take decades to correct. But reforms in either area seem to require a concerted, unified effort - the very thing we are lacking and trying to correct. tl;dr it seems pretty hopeless.

Maybe the government can just do nothing for four years and we can call it a day.


Not sure what you mean?
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24394 Posts
November 04 2020 05:43 GMT
#1195
Biden speaking, said he thinks he's on track to win

"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-11-04 05:45:58
November 04 2020 05:44 GMT
#1196
On November 04 2020 14:32 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2020 14:24 [Phantom] wrote:
On November 04 2020 14:19 LegalLord wrote:
On November 04 2020 14:17 DropBear wrote:
As a non American who doesn't really understand what's going on, is there a clear leader yet or are things still up in the air?

Still up in the air and too close to call.


I'm not from the US but why are you guys saying it's close? Cause from the outside it doesn't seem that way.

The maps/results so far have Biden literally 100 points above Trump, and everything I read/have heard/wacthes says that the mail voting that will come in the upcoming days will favor Biden.

So Biden is ahead in the same-day voting and in expected to be ahead in the voting that will be revieced in the upcoming days.

How is that close?

I see Trump has more states, but the states he has are worth less (which is a stupid system, but whatever). As well as more actual votes, but again that is worthless (which is also stupid, but it would be funny if Trump loses the same way he had won against Hilary).

Biden will very immediately win many electoral votes from safe states that include California, New York, Massachusetts, and others, making reaching 200 points a very easy affair. Trump gets a few less of those, but many of the heavy hitters like Texas are very much out of reach for Biden unless there's a blowout in Biden's favor. Add that to the couple of swing states Trump won, and he's going to be in the 200s soon enough.

What it really comes down to at this point is the couple of states that could put either candidate over the 270 line, which at this point are Pennsylvania, Georgia, Arizona, Michigan, and Wisconsin. There's about 100 electoral votes at play there, and all of those states are too close to call at this point.

Biden leads in the states where mail-in votes were counted and reported first, Trump in the states where in-person votes were counted first. Overall Biden is probably more favored than not to win, but he has to win a majority of those five states at play to get to 270. At this point they could all go either way.


There's also North Carolina. At ~283K votes outstanding and a current 80K vote lead for Trump (at least on ABC), they will probably hold out until mail-ins have been fully processed. It's somewhere between Georgia and Arizona as far as odds of Biden getting an eventual victory there goes I think (the NYT needle was very bullish on Trump there but they had some input errors).
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4437 Posts
November 04 2020 05:44 GMT
#1197
Thanks for the replies earlier everyone. This thread is quite informative.
Sucker for nostalgia
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
November 04 2020 05:44 GMT
#1198
On November 04 2020 14:43 GreenHorizons wrote:
Biden speaking, said he thinks he's on track to win

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoxAB4_P6jE


Premature imho.

And playing into trumps narrative.
On track to MA1950A.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51705 Posts
November 04 2020 05:45 GMT
#1199
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10570 Posts
November 04 2020 05:46 GMT
#1200
Nevada early results in the rural areas have pointed to much closer election. Trump has bigger leads in those rural counties than 2016 where Clinton only won the state by 2.4%. If Biden loses Nevada, he really needs to win Georgia to make up for it.
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
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