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eSen1a
Australia1058 Posts
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Jonoman92
United States9102 Posts
On July 04 2007 10:11 Flaccid wrote: ![[image loading]](http://blogs.sun.com/rama/resource/calvin-ritalin.jpg) That comic really struck me. Pretty powerful message. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On September 17 2010 10:03 blarrgh wrote: I'll add a quick 2 cents from a medical point of view: Many side effects reported here are transient: nausea, insomnia, headache and the likes. Exceptions do occur longer (NonY), but generally it's easier to tailor antidepressants around side effect profiles instead of efficacy. Newer SSRIs like Celexa/ Lexapro have been noted to have less interactions and adverse effects. However you can't escape a limp noodle with SSRIs. That usually stays for the course of the med unless you switch to another class of ADs (Wellbutrin, non-serotonin drugs) The notion that the mind is mysterious and should not be altered is definitely a valid concern. However, that does not mean mean we need to set a caution tape around pharmacotherapy. We are learning new things each year as seen in the newer formulations of SSRIs and psychoactive meds (greater efficacy, more favorable side effect profiles). Basic and clinical science recognize SSRIs are something more than just a 'serotonergic black hole.' For example, the bio-psycho-social mechanism behind Prozac increasing suicide has since been clarified and accepted in the medical community: depression hits on various axis of behavior-- sleep, motivation, concentration, initiative and suicidality. However with treatment, suicidality is usually the last to go. Take a guess what usually happens to someone with enhanced motivation, concentration and initiative but still is suicidal? That is why now any competent physician evaluates suicidal ideation and social support before and after starting any antidepressants. In fact, it is even a clinical guideline in PCPs to follow-up within 2 weeks after starting a regimen. This is a quality post and I'm quoting it in the hopes people will read it. Just be careful, mental illness is a mysterious thing and what works or doesn't work for one person means little for another. | ||
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dacthehork
United States2000 Posts
I think it's best to be open minded though, there is some very good evidence for a lot of things. General knowledge of personality disorders is honestly something everyone should know (if just for dealing/understanding people with those disorders you meet, and you will meet a lot of them). The mind can get fucked up, it just happens and will probably happen to most people. Whether you deal with it through religion, drinking, drugs, or whatever, people cope in different ways and some have legitimately fucked up brains (people have varying ranges of empathy/emotion etc). It's pretty important to be aware of these things if just to understand people better. Of course you can take the view that everyone thinks like yourself (which is the juvenile one). Honestly though it helps in parenting to be aware of personality disorders and not raising a fucked up human. So many people are not aware of NPD, BPD, etc. and get fucked over by it. The worst, worst thing for people with these types of problems is families that don't understand that while psychiatry isn't perfect, it's still a legit attempt to help / diagnose / understand these problems. It's pretty retarded how non self aware most people really are. Humans are diabolically delusional in that respect. It's probably also because of the "desrved it" mentality. In order to cope with seemingly random horrible events, blame is almost always in some ways shifted to victims. This allows people to again delude themselves to reality and "cope". Which means a depressed person just needs to "cheer up", someone with BPD needs to just realize they aren't horrible, people with NPD just need to not have to try to appear so perfect etc. Definitely different levels of how deep the problems are and how long they will last.. but god help if anyone who doesn't believe in psychology has a BPD daughter. | ||
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blitzkrieger
United States512 Posts
And this is coming from someone who has had a hard life with tons of problems. I actually broke out in severe hives after my finals (+tons of regular stress) a week ago and am freaking out stress might be having physical effects and they might have to put me on some anxiety meds. My mom used to get sores from stress on her hands as well. Hopefully its an allergy and not stress induced, but I still won't go on meds I'll just find a way to deal with stress. Some of the meds I'm on (cost $600 for 4 meds  ) can change moods or w/e but its not designed for that. Anyway don't ever take meds and realize suicide is the most disgusting, vile, horrible thing ever. I can't say what I equate it with b/c I'd get banned but just make it something as vile as possible. Thats my advice anyway. | ||
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why
United States215 Posts
It really changed my life for the better. Take this as you will, but there are success stories. | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
I've thought about writing a journal, but I'm absolutely terrified that someone in my family will stumble upon it and read it. It's happened with school journals that I've had to keep, which I didn't want anyone reading, but I forgot it by the computer or something once and my mom read it. She liked what I had to say about the topics, but that's not the point. I don't even really like to write shit too personal here, because I hate having to retype my passwords so I keep them saved in Opera (which only I use), and I'm afraid someone may sign on and read what I have to say about me, or someone related to me in some way (perhaps the person on the account). | ||
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Pineapple
New Zealand126 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + <blockquote>Jade Pinkerton had an extreme personality change and tried to take her own life after taking a widely used antidepressant drug. ... Mrs Pinkerton said she was put on Prozac in January last year for depression, which she attributes to a stressful job as a social worker. It was the first time the Wellington woman had had any psychological problems and she had never harmed herself nor thought about committing suicide. <p style="text-align:right;">- <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10575446">Depression Pill Linked To Suicide Bids</a></p></blockquote> <!--more-->It breaks my heart to read stories like these... I used to think that suicide was a really selfish thing, I couldn't imagine how anyone could do it (especially if they had beautiful families who cared for them). In 2003 however I left home to go to university and I was a bit lonely because I didn't really make many friends. Then the girl I liked all through college got engaged to someone else and I told her that I was sad so she recommended that I should go to see a doctor. So I went to see one, who was a really lovely person, but thinking back now I only remember telling her that I felt down every now and then and just from that one meeting she diagnosed me with depression and prescribed Fluoxetine to me, saying that there were chemical imbalances in my brain which the pills would help me with. I was a Christian at the time and I was afraid that taking the drugs would affect what I thought about God and that I might lose my memories. My instincts told me that He wouldn't want me to use them, but even the Christians in my life were saying that it was what I needed to do so I listened to them. I know I'm making excuses and blaming others for my own decisions. Anyhow, ever since then I've struggled with suicidal thoughts. I guess I've always been quite a pessimistic person, but not to the point where I'd want to end my life. To this day I still do lay in bed at night thinking about dying quite a lot and when it gets really bad I'll cut my wrists or burn myself with cigarettes. Sometimes I go for walks to places like motorway bridges or really high buildings and imagine how peaceful it'd be just to jump off. But I'm always too pussy to embrace the landing. A few more Herald articles: <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10563280" rel="nofollow">Another Round Of Drug Disputes</a> <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10563278" rel="nofollow">Prozac: A Mother's Painful Quest</a> <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10562590" rel="nofollow">About-Face On Drug Danger Advice</a> <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10494827" rel="nofollow">Antidepressants Don't Work - Study</a> <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=3584280" rel="nofollow">How Murray Deaker Got Back In Control</a> <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=3581535" rel="nofollow">European Agency Spreads Aropax Suicide Warning</a> <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=3570575" rel="nofollow">Glaxo Sued Over Depression Drug</a> <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=3557401" rel="nofollow">Depression Cure May Be A Curse</a> <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=3556645" rel="nofollow">Antidepressant Link To Suicide Unproven, Say Regulators</a> <a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=3539720" rel="nofollow">Ministry Rethink On Antidepressants</a> | ||
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Chuiu
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Thereisnosaurus
Australia1822 Posts
That comic really struck me. Pretty powerful message. I actually got banned from a forum for a while for posting it because it made a couple of the mods curl up and cry like babies. It's possibly the most gutpunching 4 panels of sequential art out there. So sad... | ||
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NFLisFixed
United States22 Posts
two things i've figured out 1) the US government has done this to me (fuck democracy you facking drools) 2) strippers and happy ending massage parlors do more for my emotional well being than any doctor ever by 1000x. Kissing helps a lot. No girl will fuck a depressed guy, even if you are depressed cause you're not fucking. Prostitution is the only way to break the destructive cycle. Fuck you if you think prostitution should be illegal. I should kill you because you are killing me. Self defense mother fucker | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On September 17 2010 14:59 Thereisnosaurus wrote: I actually got banned from a forum for a while for posting it because it made a couple of the mods curl up and cry like babies. It's possibly the most gutpunching 4 panels of sequential art out there. So sad... Probably because that, while gutpunching, it also doesn't accurately reflect reality at all. Anyone who makes decisions based of editorial cartoons is a fool. And I make these statements as someone who has been on pretty much every ADD medication there is. | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On September 17 2010 15:06 NFLisFixed wrote: Yo i've suffered from major depression for 12 years now. About a decade i've been flirting with suicide. two things i've figured out 1) the US government has done this to me (fuck democracy you facking drools) 2) strippers and happy ending massage parlors do more for my emotional well being than any doctor ever by 1000x. Kissing helps a lot. No girl will fuck a depressed guy, even if you are depressed cause you're not fucking. Prostitution is the only way to break the destructive cycle. Fuck you if you think prostitution should be illegal. I should kill you because you are killing me. Self defense mother fucker lol, I just looked and seriously half of this guys post involve him complaining about prostitution....are you for real? BTW, depressed guys get tons of ass, just buy a guitar. | ||
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Nokarot
United States1410 Posts
Anyway, I quite literally had the worst bout of insomnia I've ever had when I was on it. Literally 3 and a half days or something with no sleep, and then 2 hours of sleep spread over the course of the next 2 days. It was the worst week of my life, frankly. This isn't a vote of negativity. When it comes to antidepressants, some work better or worse for certain people. | ||
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BrTarolg
United Kingdom3574 Posts
Tbh, i havnt felt any effects at all... nothing i can actually attribute to citalopram Zombification? What on earth is that i dont really get that at all.... I've always "enjoyed" being a zombie in most social situations because its how i feel the most comfortable around people - i don't actually enjoy being outgoing or interacting with the vast majority of people - some people i do and then i can enjoy it more I have eqiupped myself with the tools to deal with social situatons (i have to, i work for a i-bank) - but it doesnt necessarily mean i enjoy them at all. The reason why im taking it is because sometimes ill be sitting at home, and ill have a massive, suicidal bout of depression for absolutely no reason at all. I hate myself, have no answers to anything, and there is nothing in life that i want. I literally have almost everything i could ever want, and not just on a physical possessions level. People ask me what makes me happy and my response is "i dont know" I don't know what it means for it to make you a "zombie" - i've always been a zombie. The only times when im hyped up and "outgoing" is because i force myself to, or i just eat a ton of sugar and get hyped up that way. And tbh, that pisses me off more - because i know that isn't the real me at all- its just me being confused on what my "real" personality should be when tbh, i don't really know at all - i just know that outgoing version is a form of massive denial, because the only people i really want to be outgoing with are my closest friends who can accept me regardless of me playing the "social game" Conclusion?: i don't know. I really don't know what its supposed to do, what i'm meant to do to get better - should i be forcing myself into an outgoing mood? Inside i know i hate doing shit like that. I know people that i really like, and i enjoy being with them. Thats just classic introvert personality, and its part of me. What effects will citalopram have? I have absolutely no idea. Is it zombifying me? Uh... no? | ||
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Deleted User 101379
4849 Posts
On September 17 2010 13:55 SweeTLemonS[TPR] wrote: This is one of the many reasons I haven't gone to a psychologist in my life. Everyone wants to throw you on pills... I'd rather push through the bullshit and come out of it eventually. Even at my lowest points I've never considered suicide a valid option for more than a few minutes, so I guess compared to some, I'm lucky or something. I normally rage for a bit smash something... it's just most of the time I feel like I've "had it up to here, and I'm mad enough to scream, but sad enough to tear." It can be a pretty wild time when I'm left alone to think a lot. I've thought about writing a journal, but I'm absolutely terrified that someone in my family will stumble upon it and read it. It's happened with school journals that I've had to keep, which I didn't want anyone reading, but I forgot it by the computer or something once and my mom read it. She liked what I had to say about the topics, but that's not the point. I don't even really like to write shit too personal here, because I hate having to retype my passwords so I keep them saved in Opera (which only I use), and I'm afraid someone may sign on and read what I have to say about me, or someone related to me in some way (perhaps the person on the account). I suggest starting a blog. You can protect or hide the posts you don't want others to read, but the writing alone helps. A while ago i read about a study about the self-therapy of blogging and i tried it, it really works (just don't forget to protect a post and let your boss read it, it will cause a very unpleasent conversation -.-). You can begin by writing a few entries about starcraft strategies or your 20-win streak (or 20-loss streak when you had a few bad days) to get into the writing and when you feel very low, just write a new entry for yourself, write down your feelings and then protect or hide it. If you later want to let someone know how you feel you can give him/her the password. I recently deleted my blog, but before that i forced myself to write every week at least one entry about what good things happened in my life in that week. | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
On September 17 2010 15:13 sob3k wrote: Probably because that, while gutpunching, it also doesn't accurately reflect reality at all. Anyone who makes decisions based of editorial cartoons is a fool. And I make these statements as someone who has been on pretty much every ADD medication there is. And it's not a real Calvin & Hobbes cartoon. Not that it matters at all for this discussion, but I still wanted to point it out. :p | ||
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l1mb0
Spain14 Posts
Go to a doc that feels human, and a person, show him your research and tell him how and why you feel like you do about taking or not them drugs and if you do not like what he says look for another different one. Sorry about shitty grammar I am spanish and english is only my second language. L1mb0 | ||
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BrTarolg
United Kingdom3574 Posts
There seems to be so much negativity over these things So what should i do instead? I excercise regularly, i eat healthily, i have a stable financial career and a loving family, i socialise just enough for what i need/want, i am capable of socialising as much as i need/want, i do all the right things Yet every day i get home and feel incredibly depressed and hopeless for no reason I had nowhere to turn to, and i asked myself questions for 2 years about what to do, what was i doing wrong, WHY am i so depressed? On my bday i could do nothing but curl up and cry in hopelessness when nobody was looking. I was having a wonderful holiday in singapore with my family. So someone explain it. I'm looking for answers - i used to think i could work one out, but i don't know what the answers are anymore. So last resort, i went to the doctors and she prescribed me some pills. Now i take them Do they help? I don't really know, i still feel the same tbh. | ||
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Jonoman92
United States9102 Posts
On September 17 2010 19:57 Orome wrote: And it's not a real Calvin & Hobbes cartoon. Not that it matters at all for this discussion, but I still wanted to point it out. :p Well yea, I think anyone who's read calvin and hobbes would know that. Still good to note though. | ||
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