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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
Moderna will keep their vaccine free for everyone in the United States | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45320 Posts
On February 16 2023 15:42 BlackJack wrote: https://abcnews.go.com/Health/moderna-covid-vaccine-remain-free-consumers-uninsured/story?id=97226324 Moderna will keep their vaccine free for everyone in the United States That's great news  | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45320 Posts
Idaho bill would criminalize anyone who administers COVID-19 mRNA vaccines Two Republican Idaho lawmakers introduced a new bill that would criminalize anyone who administers COVID-19 mRNA vaccines. If approved, violators would face misdemeanor charges. ... Nichols, along with Rep. Judy Boyle, sponsored the bill, which was introduced in the House Health & Welfare Committee. "Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a person may not provide or administer a vaccine developed using messenger ribonucleic acid technology for use in an individual or any other mammal in this state," according to the bill. "A person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor." https://www.google.com/amp/s/kfoxtv.com/amp/news/coronavirus/idaho-bill-would-criminalize-anyone-who-administers-covid-19-mrna-vaccines-coronavirus-house-health-and-welfare-committee-politics-pfizer-moderna-doctors-nurses-medical-professionals-booster-shot | ||
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Simberto
Germany11756 Posts
Let me guess: The reason is weird conspiracy theory stuff? | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45320 Posts
On February 22 2023 18:42 Simberto wrote: But why? Why propose such a law? What is next, forbidding casts for broken legs? Let me guess: The reason is weird conspiracy theory stuff? Probably a mix of three things: an overestimating of how dangerous vaccines are, an underestimating of how much good they do, and an ignorance surrounding what "mRNA" entails. | ||
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Mikau313
Netherlands230 Posts
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Slydie
1930 Posts
On February 23 2023 16:49 Mikau313 wrote: And 4) Political grandstanding and pandering to the GQP base. Yes, but maybe also: -Sending a test-balloon if this kind of politics can be a winner in some areas. -Trolling their opponents and get attention. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
https://nypost.com/2023/02/28/jon-stewart-recalls-outrage-after-he-backed-covid-19-lab-leak-theory-f-k-you-im-done/ “My bigger problem with that was, I thought it was a pretty good bit that expressed kind of how I felt, and the two things that came out of it were, I’m racist against Asian people, and how dare I align myself with the alt-right.” “The part that I don’t like about it is the absolutes and the dismissive like ‘f–k you, I’m done with you. I will never forgive you, you have crossed an unforgivable line. You’ve expressed an opinion that is antithetical to mine, or not mine,’” Stewart continued. “What was stunning to me, I think, was the anger,” he added. I've said before I think it took huge balls for Jon Stewart to do that. But let's be honest, he's kind of been semi-retired after leaving The Daily Show and I'm sure he has enough fuck you money to not have to care about the backlash he received. I'm sure for every 1 Jon Stewart there are 100 people that will self-censor themselves because they don't want to be called a racist or alt-right. This seems to be the go-to play. Another example is the Ottawa trucker protests where Trudeau just constantly went on TV and called the people protesting COVID mandates racists and misogynists and nazis. The message is "you better think how we think and speak how we speak and believe what we believe or else you're a fascist." | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On March 05 2023 10:32 JimmiC wrote: No idea where he got that idea. https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2023/03/04/police-tracked-him-down-at-the-freedom-convoy-a-year-later-hes-still-in-jail-on-61-gun-charges.html https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/canada/alberta/article-rcmp-emergency-wiretaps-coutts-blockade/ Generally you're supposed to provide a brief summary or supportive statement when posting links so people have some idea of what you're trying to say. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
"Hey I think it was disgraceful that Trudeau tried to label a group of protestors as racist and misogynist" "Oh yeah, well did you hear that one of them had guns he wasn't supposed to have?!" | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5599 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45320 Posts
On March 05 2023 17:52 Elroi wrote: Lots of interesting Covid news coming out lately. I saw this big meta study indicating that there were no measurable gains from forcing people to wear face masks. Out of curiosity, what do you believe it means when nearly every paragraph in the Main Results section of that source ends with sentences like these: "The risk of bias for the RCTs and cluster‐RCTs was mostly high or unclear." "Harms were rarely measured and poorly reported (very low‐certainty evidence)." "Harms were poorly measured and reported, but discomfort wearing medical/surgical masks or N95/P2 respirators was mentioned in several studies (very low‐certainty evidence)." And then, at the end of the website: "Authors' conclusions The high risk of bias in the trials, variation in outcome measurement, and relatively low adherence with the interventions during the studies hampers drawing firm conclusions." My understanding is that the trials they chose to look at and the studies they chose to use had plenty of confounding variables (like whether or not people placed in the "wearing masks" category actually wore them). This does not mean that the average person should ignore the mountain of other studies and evidence that the medical community has that supports wearing masks to reduce the spread of infection, nor does it mean that surgeons are going to stop wearing masks in the operating room. It also definitely doesn't mean that wearing a mask is, in your words, "a catastrophic decision". It simply means that some of the data is inconclusive and inaccurate, and so those trials/studies (many of which are still ongoing) probably won't be published due to having too many flaws. And that's okay; that's part of the peer-review process. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Artisreal
Germany9235 Posts
On March 05 2023 17:52 Elroi wrote: Lots of interesting Covid news coming out lately. I saw this big meta study indicating that there were no measurable gains from forcing people to wear face masks. I also note that, according to Eurostat, Sweden had the lowest excess mortality in Europe during the pandemic, which is ironic because we didn't have any forcing measures at all throughout the pandemic and no lockdowns. The conclusion that I can draw from that is that the "media thing" that you are referring to, Jimmi - I would call it irrational moral panic and cancel culture - has lead a lot of policy makers to make catastrophic decisions. Do you generally doubt the effectiveness of a mask as a means of PPE? | ||
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Slydie
1930 Posts
On March 05 2023 17:52 Elroi wrote: Lots of interesting Covid news coming out lately. I saw this big meta study indicating that there were no measurable gains from forcing people to wear face masks. I also note that, according to Eurostat, Sweden had the lowest excess mortality in Europe during the pandemic, which is ironic because we didn't have any forcing measures at all throughout the pandemic and no lockdowns. The conclusion that I can draw from that is that the "media thing" that you are referring to, Jimmi - I would call it irrational moral panic and cancel culture - has lead a lot of policy makers to make catastrophic decisions. I don't know what "moral panic" is, but during the pandemic, there was very real panic, from politicians to doctors all through the general population. Existing plans were thrown out the window, and the kitchen sink was thrown at the virus, consequences be damned. It was truly frightening to see how supposed core values like exercise, education and basic freedom of movement were abandoned. I hope more studies like that come out so this disaster will not be repeated for a few generations. | ||
Falling
Canada11431 Posts
Edit: in canada those were not very popular because not only did it really hurt small business but it was happening when all the restrictions were lifted or scheduled to be lifted, in some cases it slowed them. There is a small percentage of people who think it was really cool though, many in my area, few of them would be considered deep thinkers. They just think they were standing up to the man, not caring that they were greatly damagingvthe people they claimed to be standing up for. It began when Trudeau was increasing restrictions at a point when the rest of the world was starting to back off. (The trucker vaccine mandate... which as far as viral spread made little sense. Pretty isolated job.) And if we are to measure a protest by finding a selection of its worst elements, then nearly every protest would fail this test. There certainly were some bad apples in the mix, but as the protest at the capital continued, I saw a fair amount of coalescing around a leadership that was interested in ejecting the extreme elements and to keep the protest along peaceful lines. Had the protest continued, I think you would see that effort consolidating. (This was a protest that didn't really start with much leadership, but unlike some protests I can think of, we actually were seeing consolidation and simplification of the message though things were granted rather messy at the beginning. Not every protest begins by tapping into highly organized churches like Martin Luther King Jr.) The Star is a liberal rag, and the Liberals were busy hyperventilating thinking they had found their December 6, describing it as an insurrection and various other ridiculous nonsense. I guess it worked for a lot of people. How the protest has been characterized is how Conservatives would normally portray the protests of their opposite number: Right-wing commentators sought to discredit these protests by heavily featuring and platforming the most off-topic or radical protesters, and then seeking to paint all protesters with that broad brush. This approach generally failed, and was mocked by the mainstream press, which depicted the diversity of protesters and homemade signs as a sign of the depth of the movement’s support. But in the case of the truckers, that hatchet-job approach is working, because our society’s values have changed, and because the target audience is different. Smearing an Entire Protest Movement as Fascistic Will Come Back to Haunt My Fellow Leftists | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45320 Posts
On March 06 2023 01:48 Slydie wrote: I don't know what "moral panic" is, but during the pandemic, there was very real panic, from politicians to doctors all through the general population. Existing plans were thrown out the window, and the kitchen sink was thrown at the virus, consequences be damned. It was truly frightening to see how supposed core values like exercise, education and basic freedom of movement were abandoned. I hope more studies like that come out so this disaster will not be repeated for a few generations. The meta-analysis drew zero conclusions - neither good nor bad, neither pro-mask nor anti-mask - because it admittedly only looked at flawed and biased data/trials. Whether you agree with the tactics that certain states/countries used or not, Elroi's link simply doesn't support anyone's position on mask efficacy. It's essentially irrelevant to the conversation. | ||
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