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Any and all updates regarding the COVID-19 will need a source provided. Please do your part in helping us to keep this thread maintainable and under control. It is YOUR responsibility to fully read through the sources that you link, and you MUST provide a brief summary explaining what the source is about. Do not expect other people to do the work for you. Conspiracy theories and fear mongering will absolutely not be tolerated in this thread. Expect harsh mod actions if you try to incite fear needlessly. This is not a politics thread! You are allowed to post information regarding politics if it's related to the coronavirus, but do NOT discuss politics in here. Added a disclaimer on page 662. Many need to post better. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Slydie
1860 Posts
On April 21 2023 06:21 JimmiC wrote: Is it your position that we should have just lived as normal before vaccines, before treatments had been developed and before all the additional resources were put into the hospitals? Because if it is not, then I do not what the point is of your point. I do not anyone that liked lock downs or forced masking. I also do not know anyone that thought there was no health or societal cost to doing it. In hindsight, we should have all have done like Sweden, sticking to our original plans instead of panicking and forcing a giant experiment on the entire population nobody knew would work. I think the future will not be kind on the hysteria. We will hopefully be better equipped next time, but there will be tough choices, like how to shield the elderly. | ||
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Simberto
Germany11250 Posts
You are acting as if doing nothing would not have been just as big of an experiment. Doing nothing is also a reaction. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28525 Posts
Tbh I think Norway could've gone the Swedish route and it'd have been better. Less sure about more densely populated areas. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18279 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28525 Posts
I mostly wish we had kept schools open, and shutting down children's sports was a terrible choice. The rest was fine, even in hindsight. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10089 Posts
Hilarious compilation of Trudeau and others attempts to rewrite history. It’s quite telling that he calls it misinformation and disinformation to say that he did what he did. No wonder this misinformation is so dangerous. | ||
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Razyda
524 Posts
https://academic.oup.com/ofid/article/10/6/ofad209/7131292?login=false with its Table 2 showing correlation between amount of vaccine doses and numbers of infections. Also Lab leak theory was disinformation: https://nypost.com/2023/06/13/wuhan-scientists-were-the-first-to-contract-covid-19-report/ "Scientists conducting research on novel coronaviruses at the Wuhan Institute of Virology were the first humans to contract COVID-19, according to a new report." | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43567 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10089 Posts
On June 16 2023 21:15 Razyda wrote: This study got actually published: https://academic.oup.com/ofid/article/10/6/ofad209/7131292?login=false with its Table 2 showing correlation between amount of vaccine doses and numbers of infections. Also Lab leak theory was disinformation: https://nypost.com/2023/06/13/wuhan-scientists-were-the-first-to-contract-covid-19-report/ "Scientists conducting research on novel coronaviruses at the Wuhan Institute of Virology were the first humans to contract COVID-19, according to a new report." We've known the vaccines have been piss poor at preventing infection ever since Omicron emerged onto the scene. By "we" I should say scientists and society in general. It took another 12 months for this forum to catch on fighting tooth and nail. Also nobody really cares that the lab leak theory was buried. Killing potentially true stories that don't fit the desired narrative is by design, not a defect. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5572 Posts
On June 16 2023 21:49 JimmiC wrote: It was a theory that was not helpful at the time bevause they had to work on response. They always said they were going to look into it later and now they are. People claiming it was fact before they had information were spreading their theories as facts. We treat the lab leak as a viable theory. We have always treated the lab leak as a viable theory. This is the correct way to doublethink about it. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10089 Posts
On June 17 2023 05:55 Elroi wrote: We treat the lab leak as a viable theory. We have always treated the lab leak as a viable theory. This is the correct way to doublethink about it. Today he was arguing bomb threats are a form of nonviolence. It's safe to say there's no amount of doublethink or mental gymnastics that are too much of an ask for him User was warned for this post | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Elroi
Sweden5572 Posts
On June 17 2023 06:24 JimmiC wrote: A short recap Discussion appears on whether the origin is natural or lab leak "They" we believe it is natural (not all did but "they" said it as "they" thought it was better to have a agreed position and China was not helping so it was better to go this route and sort it out later, they would need Chinas help both in the current crisis and in figuring out the origin). As of now we are going to put all our efforts into figuring out how to stop this, once it is known we will circle back. "Normals" Makes sense. "Nuts" depending on the exact time some outrage about something losing freedom, world control, new world order, blah blah. I don't understand. It was right to treat the lab leak hypothesis as a right-wing conspiracy theory because it was "better to have a agreed position and China was not helping". Is that really what you mean? Why would it be better to have an "agreed position" on the issue dictated by the authorities (or the media?) than letting people discuss the issue freely? | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Elroi
Sweden5572 Posts
On June 17 2023 06:50 JimmiC wrote: What people were not allowed to discuss it freely? I did not say they were right, I was stating what happened. There was emails released about it a long ass time ago. Anyone who thinks no mistakes were made by authorities would be almost as stupid as the "nuts". Of course there was tons of mistakes made, we had not had a pandemic in 100 years and basically everything has changed since then. Look, the lab leak hypothesis was wrongfully branded as a right wing conspiracy for a very long time (you'd get banned from social media for speculating about it and in general treated as a lunatic for talking about it etc.). You now defend that knee-jerk reaction from the media because "it was better to have a agreed position and China was not helping so it was better to go this route and sort it out later". That sounds wild to me. But correct me if I'm misrepresenting your position, because I'm not sure I get your point. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13692 Posts
On June 17 2023 07:04 Elroi wrote: Look, the lab leak hypothesis was wrongfully branded as a right wing conspiracy for a very long time (you'd get banned from social media for speculating about it and in general treated as a lunatic for talking about it etc.). You now defend that knee-jerk reaction from the media because "it was better to have a agreed position and China was not helping so it was better to go this route and sort it out later". That sounds wild to me. But correct me if I'm misrepresenting your position, because I'm not sure I get your point. It was branded that beacuse it was the cause of a massive uptick in anti asian hate crimes. It was branded that because right wing conspiracy theorists blamed china and asian people as a whole for causing covid. It caused you to get banned beacuse the people who were that interested in the lab leak theory were the types that you would ban anyway so you banned them anyway. Even if it does turn out to be a lab leak it would still justify that "knee-jerk" reaction made due to the context of when they were made. | ||
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