Coronavirus and You - Page 578

On January 27 2022 08:42 Lmui wrote:


Seems like it. In places with very high vaccination rates (Denmark seems to be at around 81% of all population fully vaccinated), the hospitalization peaks, while high, are manageable.

In BC we've stopped testing everyone who goes into hospital for covid unless covid can impact treatment (example: broken arm = no covid test). It's still quite dangerous to the elderly and unvaccinated, and gives vaccinated a rough time. We're not quite in let it rip territory, but we are moving in that direction. The timing is either after this wave peaks, or after omicron boosters are available. Seems like in a lot of places, the existing vaccines are seen as "enough" which is why we're in go now mode.

On January 27 2022 12:20 Razyda wrote:


Bolded - no idea, can you please provide with a reason good enough for human organism to speed up reaction to viruses/vaccine around 15 times? While at it why not use the same reason to have 2 vaccine doses to spread by days rather than weeks?

Italic - How it can be exaggerated?? Alternative would be, I dont know, maybe to find out what your vaccine actually does before you start mass vaccinations?



Even less shockingly it is still not published (a month later almost), and no mention of conflict of interest...



I found it mindboggling that some people find acceptable and actually terrifying that for some "makes a lot of sense" tax for protection of the economy and finance and on the defence for health services.



Funny, all he had to do was ask:
Does vaccine prevent me from getting Covid??
Oh so basically by taking it I am only multiplying the risk?



Had me fooled, I didnt though you realising that .

On January 27 2022 16:05 Slydie wrote:
The real story right now for me is that the numbers for hospitalizations include people being in primarily for other reasons, and with a LOT of cases, those numbers add up. For serious illness caused directly by COVID, the story is very different.

Natural immunity, a milder strain, vaccines... It all matters, and to different degrees in different places, but I think everyone should do like Denmark, and the preasure is piling up.

I find it puzzelig that so many seem to want this to still be a major problem, but I guess it is normal after having being blasted with that information for about 2 years.

On January 27 2022 17:33 WombaT wrote:

You either waive certain things, or you don’t have a vaccine. There’s no great mystery here.

Whether one thinks that trade off is worth it or not, if standard certification standards are applied you’re not getting a vaccine remotely close to when you need it.

The flips are greatly exaggerated because they’re well, largely fictitious flips.

Like people go around saying ‘wtf they said this would be over with the vaccine and now they’re saying different’ when people didn’t make the first claim in the first place

On January 27 2022 20:12 JimmiC wrote:

Most of your comments barely make sense even as you remove parts of thr quotes to try to make them so. But the parts that are readable are just wrong. Whatever gotchas you think you landed, you did not. Sorry mate.

On January 27 2022 21:33 JimmiC wrote:

I'm sorry that selfish entitled people can not understand the difference between individual and group risk, but that is why every society has leadership. The most successful have been democratic socialist ones because they tend to the best for the group. To try to simplify, speed limits are not mainly about protecting the individual driver, they are more about the passengers, other drivers and the cost to the healthcare and transport system.

On January 28 2022 01:24 Razyda wrote:


In exchange I am sorry that angry mob can't understand that individuals and their rights exists.

On January 27 2022 21:06 Razyda wrote:


If you planning to jab 7 billion people with something, certain things should never be waived.



Quoting part of the post is fully acceptable, as long as it doesn't change meaning (I quoted full sentence didn't remove any part of it). In part I quoted, you were saying what the mandates are not for. Rest of paragraph referred to what they are for, it didn't gave any additional meaning to first sentence.

I like the way you proved me being wrong. The reason I like it is because I literally can't be wrong in the post you quoted.

STOCKHOLM, Jan 27 (Reuters) - Sweden has decided against recommending COVID vaccines for kids aged 5-11, the Health Agency said on Thursday, arguing that the benefits did not outweigh the risks.

"With the knowledge we have today, with a low risk for serious disease for kids, we don't see any clear benefit with vaccinating them," Health Agency official Britta Bjorkholm told a news conference.

On January 28 2022 05:51 WombaT wrote:

You either don’t get a vaccine in any useful timely manner by sticking to the standard regulatory framework, or you drop certain standards because of the exceptional circumstances to put one out to market much quicker.

On January 28 2022 04:40 Lmui wrote:

It's not only a good idea to protect yourself and minimize your own risk, but you reduce the amount you transmit to others, in turn reducing the severity of their illness.

On January 28 2022 06:02 JimmiC wrote:

The stupidest part about the big pharma excuse is who do you think are profiting off the hospitalizations? These treatments are super expensive, hell the mononucial antibodies DeSantis is a huge fan of is costs between 2100 and 12000 a dose and despite it not working for Omnicron he still pushes it, oh and his biggest doaner is heavily invested in regeneron. Hydro, ivermectin all these "cures" are big pharma and they all cost more than the vaccine.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/01/25/conservatives-led-by-desantis-erupt-over-another-unproven-coronavirus-treatment/

On January 28 2022 01:35 JimmiC wrote:

Not sure what mob you ate talking about, but the crowd that listens to experts understands that in a democratic society rights come with responsibilty. It has long been the case that when a individual is not responsible they get fined, lose that right and even can lose their personal freedom for a time.


The strangest part of all this is its easy, safe and helpful. The not doing it when you get through the made up fluff, is " dont tell me what to do/i dont want too". Its like kids who wont eat their veggies and get a timeout/grounded. Its hard to feel sorry for people getting consequences for making a terrible choice not only for themselves but effects everyone around them.

People have long since given up on trying to make an arguement against vaccines because the cost benift is so damn clear, its now just being mad about having to do something good for them because they don't want too. Its people acting like spoiled children. Even the invoking of nazi Germany is what tweens and teens do when they dont like their curfew or whatever. It is pretty pathetic.

On January 28 2022 22:41 Razyda wrote:


You never should drop some standards. Dropping standards in testing of medicine/vaccine to get it to the market quicker is comparable to saying: We have backlog of surgeries, lets drop requirement for disinfecting tools - that way we may perform more surgeries and people who wouldn't live to get them done now have a chance.



Oh boy...



I don't care about big pharma - difference between vaccines and the the ones you mention is "Nobody tries to force the latter on me"



Italic - this responsibility however should have limits. There were times where being black, jew, women, or not of noble birth also came with certain responsibilities, Primae Noctis was also responsibility. Now read your second sentence in this paragraph then entire paragraph again and explain, why are you surprised that people invoke Nazi Germany??

Bolded - this is the part we don't know. Currently there is no way of knowing if vaccine doesn't increase the risk of you getting whatever disease in the span of years. You know what's so brilliant about it? That with high enough vaccination rate, there won't be any way to connect the 2. (excluding vastly unlikely occurrence of totally new disease affecting only previously vaccinated)