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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Lmui
Canada6215 Posts
I have a sore throat, cough (fairly dry). Could be covid (I got boosted about 2 weeks ago), or could be a regular old cold. Won't know though because testing's pretty much gone for healthy individuals. On one hand, I hope it's omicron (if this is as bad as it gets for someone boosted), since it's the absolute best time to catch it with fresh immune system protection, on the other hand, I thought that as someone in my late 20s, I'd barely feel it, even if I caught it. Gonna go with a head cold for now, since it matches that better than covid... | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15723 Posts
On January 27 2022 03:37 Lmui wrote: I'm sick with something for the first time in a couple years (solely WFH) and I kinda forgot how shitty being sick feels like. I have a sore throat, cough (fairly dry). Could be covid (I got boosted about 2 weeks ago), or could be a regular old cold. Won't know though because testing's pretty much gone for healthy individuals. On one hand, I hope it's omicron (if this is as bad as it gets for someone boosted), since it's the absolute best time to catch it with fresh immune system protection, on the other hand, I thought that as someone in my late 20s, I'd barely feel it, even if I caught it. Gonna go with a head cold for now, since it matches that better than covid... People in your age group range anywhere from flu to no perceivable symptoms if boosted. If you're infected, sounds like you're right in the middle of the bell curve | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
On January 27 2022 03:37 Lmui wrote: I'm sick with something for the first time in a couple years (solely WFH) and I kinda forgot how shitty being sick feels like. I have a sore throat, cough (fairly dry). Could be covid (I got boosted about 2 weeks ago), or could be a regular old cold. Won't know though because testing's pretty much gone for healthy individuals. On one hand, I hope it's omicron (if this is as bad as it gets for someone boosted), since it's the absolute best time to catch it with fresh immune system protection, on the other hand, I thought that as someone in my late 20s, I'd barely feel it, even if I caught it. Gonna go with a head cold for now, since it matches that better than covid... Probably omicron, sounds a lot like my symptoms from around a month back. | ||
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Slydie
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I hope other countries follow suit very soon, which is the only sensible thing to do. Omnicron is no worse than an average flu, this pandemic is OVER. https://www.thelocal.dk/20220126/denmark-confirms-plan-to-lift-covid-19-restrictions-on-february-1st/ | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18113 Posts
On January 26 2022 17:23 Slydie wrote: For me, there is a very important difference when the consequence is enforced by authority or policies. You can use your logic to justify all suppression: "You had sex with a man? Well, you knew the consequences..." The "overload the HC system" argument is still used, but at least in Europe, it doesn't hold up in anymore, as the load is no higher than what is normal at this time of the year. They even know it, but it is a game of chicken where nobody wants to be the first to see how it goes, even though South Africa and UK have shown the way. The Faroe Islands has fired, though, and will lift restrictions very soon (sorry, could not find source). It's not just suppression, it's any social norm: "you murdered someone? Well, you knew the consequences..." The question is therefore not whether there are social consequences or not, but rather whether you agree with them or not. Apparently in the case of the consequence of not being allowed to go to a restaurant if you haven't done your best to immunise yourself against a contagious disease, you disagree. As for overloaded HC: Spain was okay, and we didn't have particularly strict new measures. Holland was in real trouble, and had a rather severe lockdown... | ||
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Lmui
Canada6215 Posts
On January 27 2022 03:58 emperorchampion wrote: Probably omicron, sounds a lot like my symptoms from around a month back. Leaning towards Omicron now. Cough is about the same as before, but starting to get some fatigue and a mild fever. There goes my week I guess. Weather outside is beautiful too, it's sunny until Friday, and then raining on the weekend, so pretty much, I get to miss all the sun. Edit:: I really wish I had gotten the option for Moderna. I got 3x Pfizer, and I'm under 30 so I didn't get a choice for my booster. I have marginally worse protection than the others in my family (who all got at least 2x Moderna), so... sucks to be me I guess. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On January 26 2022 22:46 JimmiC wrote: You know apple, meta citbank goldman and so on are not the governmet right? The only hint of gov in your article is that the state of Hawii "may". All the harshest mandates were from private companies and iys "comservatives" trying to get law makers to make rules against businesses requiring vaccines or boosters. Say it like it is, major US companies ate mandatimg their staff for vaccination and some are starting to for boosters. Some governments may follow their lead though none have. I do not get this approach of yours at all, spme strange business is good gov is bad so blame them thing? Blitzkrieg asked about jobs that are requiring boosters and I linked an article that has some information for him. It's sad how desperately you try to read into everything. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On January 27 2022 04:10 Slydie wrote: Denmark opens up completely from the 1st of February, no vaccine passports, mandates or quarenteenes, only some restrictions to traveling there remains. I hope other countries follow suit very soon, which is the only sensible thing to do. Omnicron is no worse than an average flu, this pandemic is OVER. https://www.thelocal.dk/20220126/denmark-confirms-plan-to-lift-covid-19-restrictions-on-february-1st/ Yes I think most countries are soon going to follow this approach. As you say, it's the "sensible" thing to do. Carrying on with vaccine passports as if everyone inside a restaurant will be safe as long as everyone is vaccinated is just spitting in the face of common sense at this point when we know that even the vaccinated are becoming infected in record numbers. Sadly where I am from our politicians are not well known for their common sense, which is why we are taking the opposite approach - more vaxx mandates, proposals to have children where n95s, proposals to require all school children to get vaccinated against COVID, proposals to expand the vaccine passport system to include boosters, etc. I think eventually they will get it right after the same the stupidity of their policies becomes overwhelmingly self-evident. We are seeing similar course corrections from our DAs/politicians that are demanding harsher penalties for retail theft or demanding to hire more police officers just 1-2 years after supporting defund the police movements. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15723 Posts
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JimmiC
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26021 Posts
On January 27 2022 04:10 Slydie wrote: Denmark opens up completely from the 1st of February, no vaccine passports, mandates or quarenteenes, only some restrictions to traveling there remains. I hope other countries follow suit very soon, which is the only sensible thing to do. Omnicron is no worse than an average flu, this pandemic is OVER. https://www.thelocal.dk/20220126/denmark-confirms-plan-to-lift-covid-19-restrictions-on-february-1st/ Haven’t people been saying this for, years now? Does seem promising though, certainly. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On January 27 2022 07:10 JimmiC wrote: This was your first sentence, which was completely false and your article confirmed it was false. Explain to me how I mess read that you were claiming companies were requiring boosters do to government mandate. It amazes me how often you claim you didnt say things that are written down and we can just check. I get you do this in conversation and probably rarely get called on it and when you do make a big stink or whatever, but its laughable here. Feel free to scroll up and read your own words. Oy vey. Here you go, from the official website of the governor of California: https://www.gov.ca.gov/2021/12/22/governor-newsom-announces-new-actions-to-protect-californians-from-covid-19/ By February 1, 2022, health care workers and all employees in high-risk congregate settings, including nursing homes, will be required to get their booster. In the interim, all health care staff that have not received their booster must test for COVID-19 twice weekly until they are up to date on their vaccines. "the interim" means the period until now and February 1st when the booster is required and there is no "testing option." Blitzkrieg asked me about "jobs" requiring the booster and not about "governments" requiring the booster so I said that while my job required the booster by government mandate, there are other companies that go beyond what the government requires and I provided a link. Not sure how you think this article "confirms as false" the booster mandate I just posted above. Just because something isn't in an article on Forbes doesn't mean you can assume it doesn't exist. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6215 Posts
On January 27 2022 07:41 WombaT wrote: Haven’t people been saying this for, years now? Does seem promising though, certainly. Seems like it. In places with very high vaccination rates (Denmark seems to be at around 81% of all population fully vaccinated), the hospitalization peaks, while high, are manageable. In BC we've stopped testing everyone who goes into hospital for covid unless covid can impact treatment (example: broken arm = no covid test). It's still quite dangerous to the elderly and unvaccinated, and gives vaccinated a rough time. We're not quite in let it rip territory, but we are moving in that direction. The timing is either after this wave peaks, or after omicron boosters are available. Seems like in a lot of places, the existing vaccines are seen as "enough" which is why we're in go now mode. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On January 27 2022 07:15 JimmiC wrote: The mandates are not about only protecting people in the place, in fact they are barely about that. They are about encouraging people to get vaccinated to protect the system and save everyone taxes by giving a safe and proven prevention instead of treating the bad cases and their long term issues. Denmark has extremely high percentage of vaccination, and follow and trust experts. Where you are sadly has people like you who know better and worse most of those are unvaccinated filling the hospitals and costing everyone trillions of dollars in future taxes. Wrong again. Denmark is 81% full vaccinated. San Francisco county is 83% fully vaccinated. Marin County is 85% fully vaccinated. Contra Costa is 81%. San Mateo 82%. Alameda 80%. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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JimmiC
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Razyda
888 Posts
On January 10 2022 10:43 WombaT wrote: ‘Normally vaccine is researched for 5-10 years, this one - several months, while using somewhat new technology’ There is a good reason for that, can you guess what it is? ‘changing description of what vaccine actually does every few hundred millions vaccinated’ The extent of supposed flips is IMO actually quite exaggerated anyway, but what alternative is there here? Bolded - no idea, can you please provide with a reason good enough for human organism to speed up reaction to viruses/vaccine around 15 times? While at it why not use the same reason to have 2 vaccine doses to spread by days rather than weeks? Italic - How it can be exaggerated?? Alternative would be, I dont know, maybe to find out what your vaccine actually does before you start mass vaccinations? On January 11 2022 04:43 JimmiC wrote: Not shockingly BlackJack and Rayzda's assumption stated as fact that natural immunity was automatically outperforming vaccination looks to be completely false with the early numbers. It looks like it preforms similar to 2 shots with having little to no effect on reinfection. The great news is it does look, much like 2 shot vaccination it does help to reduce the severity. And 3 shot (booster) or two shoot and natural. Are working quite well. This also bodes well to when we are past the Omicron wave. https://www.news-medical.net/news/20220104/Efficacy-of-antibodies-induced-by-natural-infection-vaccination-or-both-against-SARS-CoV-2-Omicron-and-Beta-variants.aspx Even less shockingly it is still not published (a month later almost), and no mention of conflict of interest... On January 12 2022 04:47 JimmiC wrote: I was just going to post this. I think a tax like this makes a lot of sense, they are way more expensive. It is along the same lines as taxes on cigarettes and so on. The US will be interesting because not only will it get really really expensive for the unvaccinated or will their be exclusions (we will cover everything but covid), and are the Feds going to shoulder the costs for the all the long covid cases. I found it mindboggling that some people find acceptable and actually terrifying that for some "makes a lot of sense" tax for protection of the economy and finance and on the defence for health services. On January 15 2022 11:27 JimmiC wrote: Joe Rogan takes a lot of shit, much of it riggtly so. But I do lihe his fighter interviews. I also appreciated that he was wrong on vaccine risk for young people. He even said he got made to look dumb. If he is willjng and learn, not ignore the info he does not like, then good for him. https://ca.yahoo.com/news/joe-rogan-admits-broadcaster-josh-082734705.html Funny, all he had to do was ask: Does vaccine prevent me from getting Covid?? Oh so basically by taking it I am only multiplying the risk? On January 27 2022 07:15 JimmiC wrote: The mandates are not about only protecting people in the place, in fact they are barely about that. Had me fooled, I didnt though you realising that  . | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5296 Posts
On January 27 2022 07:41 WombaT wrote: it will be over because the economic crisis will end and a functional economy is not compatible with a pandemic. Haven’t people been saying this for, years now? Does seem promising though, certainly. | ||
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