EPTFinland is going under lockdown, but it is too late. Since weekend only urgent patients were tested, estimated number of infections is something like 20-30 times higher than those given.
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whaski
Finland577 Posts
Finland is going under lockdown, but it is too late. Since weekend only urgent patients were tested, estimated number of infections is something like 20-30 times higher than those given. | ||
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r00ty
Germany1093 Posts
I just called an ex-colleague how things are going at my old job: Boss, bosswife and the 4 management stooges were in Sölden, Austria until they HAD to leave. They worked normally last week but were informed, that there are confirmed cases amongst the staff in their hotel, with multiple direct contacts to a now hospitalised barkeeper. They joked about it, changed the seating a bit and everything is supposed to continue as normal. That was Friday. Today 2 management stooges went into self quarantine. The others continue to work inhouse and keep visiting customers, no action was taken. Well they got hand sanitizer on friday, so that's something. This is not going well. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24387 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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iFU.pauline
France1776 Posts
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Yurie
12175 Posts
On March 17 2020 04:06 GreenHorizons wrote: Lots of symptomatic workers unable to get tested and still having to work in my neck of the woods. At least that isn't a problem here. Show any symptoms and your co-workers would throw you out if you showed up. Paid governmental leave from day 1 without any testing or checks. As an example my sister called her manager because somebody showed up with a single symptom wondering if the person should be sent home or not. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
Gatherings of 10 or more are now being recommended against for ALL of the US. It's expected to last until at least July or August. (Ohio Governor's press conference stated that September is currently considered the truly safe zone). | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22662 Posts
On March 17 2020 04:15 iFU.pauline wrote: Are you from France? I saw somewhere, cant remember if it was here or on another site, that apparently hospitals in the north of France at at/near capacity?Confinement for France official. God fuck I can't stand Macron keeps repeating we are at war and talks like fucking Zola Could get ugly situations if that's the case and make these measures likely to late. | ||
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Slydie
2014 Posts
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/what-taiwan-can-teach-the-world-on-fighting-the-coronavirus/ar-BB11aPLD?li=AAggFp4&fbclid=IwAR1ZLr_igr4iXH7Ve-zCPXxjI1QHypS3mMQFN5rHy1L0qr0Zx8qlqBtcEQk Some might think using temperature sensitive cameras at airports and track people by their phones is intrusive, but it seems justifiable in this situation. Also an illustration of why Sweden and the UK has a different approach than most other European countries: It is basically about that you can only quarantine the population for so long, and the helathcare system could end up being overloaded at a later stage anyway. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8991 Posts
https://www.lapresse.ca/covid-19/202003/16/01-5264821-coronavirus-les-developpements-du-16-mars.php Just in french sorry. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22662 Posts
On March 17 2020 05:34 Slydie wrote: The entire issue with what he does it that he ignores the incubation period. If you stop the spread just before your overwhelmed you get overwhelmed because its another ~2 weeks before you see the actual effects of the quarantine halting spread.Probably the best approach I have read about, from a smart and prepared Taiwanese government: https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/what-taiwan-can-teach-the-world-on-fighting-the-coronavirus/ar-BB11aPLD?li=AAggFp4&fbclid=IwAR1ZLr_igr4iXH7Ve-zCPXxjI1QHypS3mMQFN5rHy1L0qr0Zx8qlqBtcEQk Some might think using temperature sensitive cameras at airports and track people by their phones is intrusive, but it seems justifiable in this situation. Also an illustration of why Sweden and the UK has a different approach than most other European countries: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl6tTwxzCi8&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR064flUHoU3MjvG00_7KD-lGasgLC9UEtvbGG61eLeTylXsFfplO-vmjvk It is basically about that you can only quarantine the population for so long, and the helathcare system could end up being overloaded at a later stage anyway. Your not dealing with the infected population now, your pre-empting what your infected population will be in 2 weeks, remembering that the amount of cases grows exponentially and looks to double every 3-4 days. That is where Italy screwed up and potentially France & Spain (not sure what the current situation is in in both). | ||
IntoTheWow
is awesome32282 Posts
On March 13 2020 22:42 IntoTheWow wrote: We got our first domestic cases in Argentina. On the bright side we got a head start seeing the mess in asia and europe, so our authorities were kind of scared and took some measures. But on the other side I think more needs to be done asap, like cancelling all gatherings (currently only the ones with more than 200 people are), cinemas, theaters, etc. Classes are still running and I think they should be cancelled. Most companies are waiting on official announcements to make any move, so government inactivity translates into more vectors in private companies as well. Right now measures are getting stricter day by day, maybe by next week we will be on full lockdown. Slowly approaching full lockdown in Argentina. So far: - classes cancelled. - no big gatherings (theaters, cinemas, big markets, weddings, spots events, etc are closed or cancelled). - most private companies enforcing work from home schemes. - government analyzing using home office for public workers as well, specially for parents whose kids have to stay at home now. - all flights from outside grounded (just the national airline with flights to bring people from abroad back). They will be limiting travelling inside the country as well. - fines for people who break their quarantines. Probably some measures coming for small companies (pubs, restaurants, etc) to alleviate their business loss. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On March 17 2020 05:34 Slydie wrote: Probably the best approach I have read about, from a smart and prepared Taiwanese government: https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/what-taiwan-can-teach-the-world-on-fighting-the-coronavirus/ar-BB11aPLD?li=AAggFp4&fbclid=IwAR1ZLr_igr4iXH7Ve-zCPXxjI1QHypS3mMQFN5rHy1L0qr0Zx8qlqBtcEQk Some might think using temperature sensitive cameras at airports and track people by their phones is intrusive, but it seems justifiable in this situation. Also an illustration of why Sweden and the UK has a different approach than most other European countries: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl6tTwxzCi8&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR064flUHoU3MjvG00_7KD-lGasgLC9UEtvbGG61eLeTylXsFfplO-vmjvk It is basically about that you can only quarantine the population for so long, and the healthcare system could end up being overloaded at a later stage anyway. Some very obvious problems with that take are that the rate of infection lags the official numbers, as you can see in Germany, Spain and so forth even with the measures in place numbers will continue to rise, so putting a quarantine in place when you're already on the steep slope of your growth curve is too late. Even in Wuhan, this could be seen. They cracked down after about 400 official cases and the end result was 80k before they contained the virus. Secondly saying "we can't quarantine people for more than four weeks" reeks of fatalism. Of course, you can, why not? Movement needs to be slowed down however long it takes until this is under control. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On March 17 2020 04:37 Yurie wrote: At least that isn't a problem here. Show any symptoms and your co-workers would throw you out if you showed up. Paid governmental leave from day 1 without any testing or checks. As an example my sister called her manager because somebody showed up with a single symptom wondering if the person should be sent home or not. I frequently work as a paramedic for a large healthcare system. Corporate has instigated free two weeks of paid leave for anyone that 1) has a confirmed positive test or 2) has a close family member that does. A step in the right direction, especially compared to some other health systems here. | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
We are aporoaching complete shutdown in tiny baby steps, i expect we will reach full lockdown during this week. By then, my agency will only work via phone/mail/fax with welfare recipients, rumor has it most employees will be ordered to stay home and a skeleton crew will remain. It's also possible we will receive order to help out in the health or order department of the city when they engage in full crisis mode. | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
On March 17 2020 05:18 Gorsameth wrote: Are you from France? I saw somewhere, cant remember if it was here or on another site, that apparently hospitals in the north of France at at/near capacity? Could get ugly situations if that's the case and make these measures likely to late. In the east. We are deploying an army field hospital to help, and the army will assist in Moving patients to areas with free beds. | ||
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Longshank
1648 Posts
On March 17 2020 05:51 Nyxisto wrote: Some very obvious problems with that take are that the rate of infection lags the official numbers, as you can see in Germany, Spain and so forth even with the measures in place numbers will continue to rise, so putting a quarantine in place when you're already on the steep slope of your growth curve is too late. Even in Wuhan, this could be seen. They cracked down after about 400 official cases and the end result was 80k before they contained the virus. Secondly saying "we can't quarantine people for more than four weeks" reeks of fatalism. Of course, you can, why not? Movement needs to be slowed down however long it takes until this is under control. The official or otherwise numbers are not important in this instance. What matters is at what capacity the NHS is working at. Is the UK able to give critical care to those who needs it? As long as that is managable, the total number of infected is of lesser concern. @Gorsameth above you: The model accounts for incubation time. | ||
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