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On December 04 2020 23:49 WombaT wrote:
Just wear a fucking mask it’s really not that complicated.
actually, it is pretty complicated. to wit...
On December 05 2020 00:46 Sapaio wrote:Danish took test of one use masks sold in three danish super markets. All three had over 3 times more bacteria then allowed, one even 15 times. Danish health styrelse (not sure english name but govermental department) admits to not have done any testing. I find it disgusting ekstrabladet.dkDo not know level allowed in other countries.
As far as social distancing goes...
we're supposed to social distance, right? i live in a suburb in western new york. i can easily social distance. the working poor in a big city get stuffed into shuttle buses because the government can not properly maintain the subway system.
![[image loading]](https://i.cbc.ca/1.5818542.1606435161!/fileImage/httpImage/image.JPG_gen/derivatives/16x9_780/crowded-bus.JPG)
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ttc-buses-covid19-coronavirus-rexdale-northyork-1.5818492
i don't blame these people one bit for rebelling.
That photo is taken in the northern part of Toronto ~10km from the center of the city. Its worse the closer you get to the core of the city.
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On December 05 2020 02:33 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2020 02:16 Magic Powers wrote:On December 04 2020 09:49 JimmiC wrote:On December 04 2020 08:47 Longshank wrote:On December 04 2020 08:41 JimmiC wrote:On December 04 2020 08:31 Longshank wrote:
Magic Powers makes perfect sense and anyone that tries to approach the issue without some vested political bias should be able to see it. It quite disgusting and in very bad faith how JimmyC represents his arguments. It's fine if you don't agree with him but this is silly.
I don't think he's ever said not to follow what your government mandates but there are many valid concerns of what measures are effective and, as JimmyC admitted would take a long time, to what extent face mask mandates reduce the overall spread. The are numerous reports from the science community of how people are afraid to voice anything against the general concensus on this topic and that's fucked up. We still know so little of the virus and this pandemic. Nope, it is disgusting that people are putting so many at risk because of feelings over facts philosophy. Magic has stated, he is not a do nothing, but he has also stated he is against every measure. I'm just trying to figure out what that means. No he hasn't. He has also never said afaik that masks don't work. What more do you have that you can misrepresent? Right, like I said masks and mandates, but it is hard for me to wrap my head around understanding that masks work, but thinking have more people wearing them does not, so it makes me question if the former is the case. True, there may be restrictions he supports I've asked which. So far he has come out against all the major ones (and the least intrusive ones) masks, social distancing, restrictions on businesses, everyone that has been discussed. So you are right I should have said every restriction discussed. You sir? Do you think masks work? Mask mandates? Social distancing? Rules around social distancing? Restrictions on businesses? I've not once spoken out against social distancing, in fact I said I consider it to be the most effective method. I also haven't said that there should be no restrictions on businesses. Correct you have said you are not against everything but you have only argued against everything posted and have yet to say what you think are reasonable. As to your social distancing, you have stated that social distancing creates the biggest impact on the economy (which I would disagree with) and you have stated that you value the economy even more than peoples immediate health. Which led me to believe that you disagreed with it as a measure. Or is it like masks that you agree they work, but don't believe the government should make rules around it because those don't work?
I have not said that I value the economy more than people's immediate health. I'm starting to get annoyed reading all these various accusations of yours and I'm considering not reading your comments anymore.
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On December 05 2020 02:16 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2020 09:49 JimmiC wrote:On December 04 2020 08:47 Longshank wrote:On December 04 2020 08:41 JimmiC wrote:On December 04 2020 08:31 Longshank wrote:
Magic Powers makes perfect sense and anyone that tries to approach the issue without some vested political bias should be able to see it. It quite disgusting and in very bad faith how JimmyC represents his arguments. It's fine if you don't agree with him but this is silly.
I don't think he's ever said not to follow what your government mandates but there are many valid concerns of what measures are effective and, as JimmyC admitted would take a long time, to what extent face mask mandates reduce the overall spread. The are numerous reports from the science community of how people are afraid to voice anything against the general concensus on this topic and that's fucked up. We still know so little of the virus and this pandemic. Nope, it is disgusting that people are putting so many at risk because of feelings over facts philosophy. Magic has stated, he is not a do nothing, but he has also stated he is against every measure. I'm just trying to figure out what that means. No he hasn't. He has also never said afaik that masks don't work. What more do you have that you can misrepresent? Right, like I said masks and mandates, but it is hard for me to wrap my head around understanding that masks work, but thinking have more people wearing them does not, so it makes me question if the former is the case. True, there may be restrictions he supports I've asked which. So far he has come out against all the major ones (and the least intrusive ones) masks, social distancing, restrictions on businesses, everyone that has been discussed. So you are right I should have said every restriction discussed. You sir? Do you think masks work? Mask mandates? Social distancing? Rules around social distancing? Restrictions on businesses? I've not once spoken out against social distancing, in fact I said I consider it to be the most effective method. I also haven't said that there should be no restrictions on businesses.
It seems like you are mainly focusing on stating what you are not saying, rather than what you are saying. Do you see why that may be a bit confusing? Is there a reason you are choosing not to simply be specific about what you ARE saying? Rather than covering every single thing you are not saying, imagine how easy things would be if you just clarified what you are saying.
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On December 05 2020 02:55 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2020 02:16 Magic Powers wrote:On December 04 2020 09:49 JimmiC wrote:On December 04 2020 08:47 Longshank wrote:On December 04 2020 08:41 JimmiC wrote:On December 04 2020 08:31 Longshank wrote:
Magic Powers makes perfect sense and anyone that tries to approach the issue without some vested political bias should be able to see it. It quite disgusting and in very bad faith how JimmyC represents his arguments. It's fine if you don't agree with him but this is silly.
I don't think he's ever said not to follow what your government mandates but there are many valid concerns of what measures are effective and, as JimmyC admitted would take a long time, to what extent face mask mandates reduce the overall spread. The are numerous reports from the science community of how people are afraid to voice anything against the general concensus on this topic and that's fucked up. We still know so little of the virus and this pandemic. Nope, it is disgusting that people are putting so many at risk because of feelings over facts philosophy. Magic has stated, he is not a do nothing, but he has also stated he is against every measure. I'm just trying to figure out what that means. No he hasn't. He has also never said afaik that masks don't work. What more do you have that you can misrepresent? Right, like I said masks and mandates, but it is hard for me to wrap my head around understanding that masks work, but thinking have more people wearing them does not, so it makes me question if the former is the case. True, there may be restrictions he supports I've asked which. So far he has come out against all the major ones (and the least intrusive ones) masks, social distancing, restrictions on businesses, everyone that has been discussed. So you are right I should have said every restriction discussed. You sir? Do you think masks work? Mask mandates? Social distancing? Rules around social distancing? Restrictions on businesses? I've not once spoken out against social distancing, in fact I said I consider it to be the most effective method. I also haven't said that there should be no restrictions on businesses. It seems like you are mainly focusing on stating what you are not saying, rather than what you are saying. Do you see why that may be a bit confusing? Is there a reason you are choosing not to simply be specific about what you ARE saying? Rather than covering every single thing you are not saying, imagine how easy things would be if you just clarified what you are saying.
I'm not the one focusing on what I'm not saying though? I'm simply denying false accusations. Why should I go beyond that?
Why should I state every belief I have? Do you think that's a reasonable thing to ask from people?
I think it should be possible to not consistently misrepresent my position without me explicitely stating what I do or don't believe on any given matter.
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On December 05 2020 03:07 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2020 02:55 Mohdoo wrote:On December 05 2020 02:16 Magic Powers wrote:On December 04 2020 09:49 JimmiC wrote:On December 04 2020 08:47 Longshank wrote:On December 04 2020 08:41 JimmiC wrote:On December 04 2020 08:31 Longshank wrote:
Magic Powers makes perfect sense and anyone that tries to approach the issue without some vested political bias should be able to see it. It quite disgusting and in very bad faith how JimmyC represents his arguments. It's fine if you don't agree with him but this is silly.
I don't think he's ever said not to follow what your government mandates but there are many valid concerns of what measures are effective and, as JimmyC admitted would take a long time, to what extent face mask mandates reduce the overall spread. The are numerous reports from the science community of how people are afraid to voice anything against the general concensus on this topic and that's fucked up. We still know so little of the virus and this pandemic. Nope, it is disgusting that people are putting so many at risk because of feelings over facts philosophy. Magic has stated, he is not a do nothing, but he has also stated he is against every measure. I'm just trying to figure out what that means. No he hasn't. He has also never said afaik that masks don't work. What more do you have that you can misrepresent? Right, like I said masks and mandates, but it is hard for me to wrap my head around understanding that masks work, but thinking have more people wearing them does not, so it makes me question if the former is the case. True, there may be restrictions he supports I've asked which. So far he has come out against all the major ones (and the least intrusive ones) masks, social distancing, restrictions on businesses, everyone that has been discussed. So you are right I should have said every restriction discussed. You sir? Do you think masks work? Mask mandates? Social distancing? Rules around social distancing? Restrictions on businesses? I've not once spoken out against social distancing, in fact I said I consider it to be the most effective method. I also haven't said that there should be no restrictions on businesses. It seems like you are mainly focusing on stating what you are not saying, rather than what you are saying. Do you see why that may be a bit confusing? Is there a reason you are choosing not to simply be specific about what you ARE saying? Rather than covering every single thing you are not saying, imagine how easy things would be if you just clarified what you are saying. I'm not the one focusing on what I'm not saying though? I'm simply denying false accusations. Why should I go beyond that? Why should I state every belief I have? Do you think that's a reasonable thing to ask from people? I think it should be possible to not consistently misrepresent my position without me explicitely stating what I do or don't believe on any given matter.
If people are having issues with something you are saying, you have 2 options:
1. Clarify your position
2. Don't let it bother you
You aren't owed some sort of immune podium to say whatever you want without people criticizing you. This is a forum. The entire point is to discuss ideas. Either clarify what you think or don't worry about it.
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On December 05 2020 03:11 JimmiC wrote:
I think it is unreasonable for you to keep saying what you are not saying and being upset that we don't know what you are saying. The reason I'm putting what you are saying in my own words is to try to show understanding and allow you the opportunity to clarify if I am wrong. You not taking the opportunity is on you not me.
You have consistently accused me of saying or believing things that I've never said or haven't expressed my belief about, in fact some of the things were the complete opposite of what I actually have said or what I actually believe, and now you're trying to turn this around on me, trying to guilt me into not communicating my position enough? Are you serious?
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On December 05 2020 03:19 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2020 03:11 JimmiC wrote:
I think it is unreasonable for you to keep saying what you are not saying and being upset that we don't know what you are saying. The reason I'm putting what you are saying in my own words is to try to show understanding and allow you the opportunity to clarify if I am wrong. You not taking the opportunity is on you not me.
You have consistently accused me of saying or believing things that I've never said or haven't expressed my belief about, in fact some of the things were the complete opposite of what I actually have said or what I actually believe, and now you're trying to turn this around on me, trying to guilt me into not communicating my position enough? Are you serious? Still refusing to clarify your position...
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On December 05 2020 03:19 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2020 03:11 JimmiC wrote:
I think it is unreasonable for you to keep saying what you are not saying and being upset that we don't know what you are saying. The reason I'm putting what you are saying in my own words is to try to show understanding and allow you the opportunity to clarify if I am wrong. You not taking the opportunity is on you not me.
You have consistently accused me of saying or believing things that I've never said or haven't expressed my belief about, in fact some of the things were the complete opposite of what I actually have said or what I actually believe, and now you're trying to turn this around on me, trying to guilt me into not communicating my position enough? Are you serious?
That's totally fine. It is a normal event for people to misunderstand each other on an internet forum. No one is worried about your issues right now. We have all been there. We have been misunderstood before. It is ok. We clarify and move on. If you choose not to do that, nothing bad will happen. Your life will be completely unchanged regardless of if we properly understand you or not. Don't let it bother you.
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On December 05 2020 03:16 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2020 03:07 Magic Powers wrote:On December 05 2020 02:55 Mohdoo wrote:On December 05 2020 02:16 Magic Powers wrote:On December 04 2020 09:49 JimmiC wrote:On December 04 2020 08:47 Longshank wrote:On December 04 2020 08:41 JimmiC wrote:On December 04 2020 08:31 Longshank wrote:
Magic Powers makes perfect sense and anyone that tries to approach the issue without some vested political bias should be able to see it. It quite disgusting and in very bad faith how JimmyC represents his arguments. It's fine if you don't agree with him but this is silly.
I don't think he's ever said not to follow what your government mandates but there are many valid concerns of what measures are effective and, as JimmyC admitted would take a long time, to what extent face mask mandates reduce the overall spread. The are numerous reports from the science community of how people are afraid to voice anything against the general concensus on this topic and that's fucked up. We still know so little of the virus and this pandemic. Nope, it is disgusting that people are putting so many at risk because of feelings over facts philosophy. Magic has stated, he is not a do nothing, but he has also stated he is against every measure. I'm just trying to figure out what that means. No he hasn't. He has also never said afaik that masks don't work. What more do you have that you can misrepresent? Right, like I said masks and mandates, but it is hard for me to wrap my head around understanding that masks work, but thinking have more people wearing them does not, so it makes me question if the former is the case. True, there may be restrictions he supports I've asked which. So far he has come out against all the major ones (and the least intrusive ones) masks, social distancing, restrictions on businesses, everyone that has been discussed. So you are right I should have said every restriction discussed. You sir? Do you think masks work? Mask mandates? Social distancing? Rules around social distancing? Restrictions on businesses? I've not once spoken out against social distancing, in fact I said I consider it to be the most effective method. I also haven't said that there should be no restrictions on businesses. It seems like you are mainly focusing on stating what you are not saying, rather than what you are saying. Do you see why that may be a bit confusing? Is there a reason you are choosing not to simply be specific about what you ARE saying? Rather than covering every single thing you are not saying, imagine how easy things would be if you just clarified what you are saying. I'm not the one focusing on what I'm not saying though? I'm simply denying false accusations. Why should I go beyond that? Why should I state every belief I have? Do you think that's a reasonable thing to ask from people? I think it should be possible to not consistently misrepresent my position without me explicitely stating what I do or don't believe on any given matter. If people are having issues with something you are saying, you have 2 options: 1. Clarify your position 2. Don't let it bother you You aren't owed some sort of immune podium to say whatever you want without people criticizing you. This is a forum. The entire point is to discuss ideas. Either clarify what you think or don't worry about it.
I disagree. In my world the person who consistently misrepresents other people's position and keeps making false allegations is the one responsible for correcting their behavior.
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On December 05 2020 03:26 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2020 03:16 Mohdoo wrote:On December 05 2020 03:07 Magic Powers wrote:On December 05 2020 02:55 Mohdoo wrote:On December 05 2020 02:16 Magic Powers wrote:On December 04 2020 09:49 JimmiC wrote:On December 04 2020 08:47 Longshank wrote:On December 04 2020 08:41 JimmiC wrote:On December 04 2020 08:31 Longshank wrote:
Magic Powers makes perfect sense and anyone that tries to approach the issue without some vested political bias should be able to see it. It quite disgusting and in very bad faith how JimmyC represents his arguments. It's fine if you don't agree with him but this is silly.
I don't think he's ever said not to follow what your government mandates but there are many valid concerns of what measures are effective and, as JimmyC admitted would take a long time, to what extent face mask mandates reduce the overall spread. The are numerous reports from the science community of how people are afraid to voice anything against the general concensus on this topic and that's fucked up. We still know so little of the virus and this pandemic. Nope, it is disgusting that people are putting so many at risk because of feelings over facts philosophy. Magic has stated, he is not a do nothing, but he has also stated he is against every measure. I'm just trying to figure out what that means. No he hasn't. He has also never said afaik that masks don't work. What more do you have that you can misrepresent? Right, like I said masks and mandates, but it is hard for me to wrap my head around understanding that masks work, but thinking have more people wearing them does not, so it makes me question if the former is the case. True, there may be restrictions he supports I've asked which. So far he has come out against all the major ones (and the least intrusive ones) masks, social distancing, restrictions on businesses, everyone that has been discussed. So you are right I should have said every restriction discussed. You sir? Do you think masks work? Mask mandates? Social distancing? Rules around social distancing? Restrictions on businesses? I've not once spoken out against social distancing, in fact I said I consider it to be the most effective method. I also haven't said that there should be no restrictions on businesses. It seems like you are mainly focusing on stating what you are not saying, rather than what you are saying. Do you see why that may be a bit confusing? Is there a reason you are choosing not to simply be specific about what you ARE saying? Rather than covering every single thing you are not saying, imagine how easy things would be if you just clarified what you are saying. I'm not the one focusing on what I'm not saying though? I'm simply denying false accusations. Why should I go beyond that? Why should I state every belief I have? Do you think that's a reasonable thing to ask from people? I think it should be possible to not consistently misrepresent my position without me explicitely stating what I do or don't believe on any given matter. If people are having issues with something you are saying, you have 2 options: 1. Clarify your position 2. Don't let it bother you You aren't owed some sort of immune podium to say whatever you want without people criticizing you. This is a forum. The entire point is to discuss ideas. Either clarify what you think or don't worry about it. I disagree. In my world the person who consistently misrepresents other people's position and keeps making false allegations is the one responsible for correcting their behavior.
Doesn’t matter. We aren’t accommodating your world. You’re alone in your beliefs and we’ll continue to ignore them. Do as you will.
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On December 05 2020 03:26 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2020 03:16 Mohdoo wrote:On December 05 2020 03:07 Magic Powers wrote:On December 05 2020 02:55 Mohdoo wrote:On December 05 2020 02:16 Magic Powers wrote:On December 04 2020 09:49 JimmiC wrote:On December 04 2020 08:47 Longshank wrote:On December 04 2020 08:41 JimmiC wrote:On December 04 2020 08:31 Longshank wrote:
Magic Powers makes perfect sense and anyone that tries to approach the issue without some vested political bias should be able to see it. It quite disgusting and in very bad faith how JimmyC represents his arguments. It's fine if you don't agree with him but this is silly.
I don't think he's ever said not to follow what your government mandates but there are many valid concerns of what measures are effective and, as JimmyC admitted would take a long time, to what extent face mask mandates reduce the overall spread. The are numerous reports from the science community of how people are afraid to voice anything against the general concensus on this topic and that's fucked up. We still know so little of the virus and this pandemic. Nope, it is disgusting that people are putting so many at risk because of feelings over facts philosophy. Magic has stated, he is not a do nothing, but he has also stated he is against every measure. I'm just trying to figure out what that means. No he hasn't. He has also never said afaik that masks don't work. What more do you have that you can misrepresent? Right, like I said masks and mandates, but it is hard for me to wrap my head around understanding that masks work, but thinking have more people wearing them does not, so it makes me question if the former is the case. True, there may be restrictions he supports I've asked which. So far he has come out against all the major ones (and the least intrusive ones) masks, social distancing, restrictions on businesses, everyone that has been discussed. So you are right I should have said every restriction discussed. You sir? Do you think masks work? Mask mandates? Social distancing? Rules around social distancing? Restrictions on businesses? I've not once spoken out against social distancing, in fact I said I consider it to be the most effective method. I also haven't said that there should be no restrictions on businesses. It seems like you are mainly focusing on stating what you are not saying, rather than what you are saying. Do you see why that may be a bit confusing? Is there a reason you are choosing not to simply be specific about what you ARE saying? Rather than covering every single thing you are not saying, imagine how easy things would be if you just clarified what you are saying. I'm not the one focusing on what I'm not saying though? I'm simply denying false accusations. Why should I go beyond that? Why should I state every belief I have? Do you think that's a reasonable thing to ask from people? I think it should be possible to not consistently misrepresent my position without me explicitely stating what I do or don't believe on any given matter. If people are having issues with something you are saying, you have 2 options: 1. Clarify your position 2. Don't let it bother you You aren't owed some sort of immune podium to say whatever you want without people criticizing you. This is a forum. The entire point is to discuss ideas. Either clarify what you think or don't worry about it. I disagree. In my world the person who consistently misrepresents other people's position and keeps making false allegations is the one responsible for correcting their behavior.
You have no responsibility to respond in any kind after stating why you’ve reached that decision and the offending behavior (the gross and repeated misrepresentations including valuing the economy over people’s immediate health). They can literally prance around declaring “victory” and restating their priors about handling themselves well and being totally interested in the nuances of your argument.
They aren’t owed a response. There’s enough other posters around that don’t jumble related topics when it suits them, and they’re interesting to read. It’s the internet and the trolls and shitposters will always be with us.
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On December 05 2020 00:59 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2020 00:55 Longshank wrote:On December 04 2020 23:49 WombaT wrote:
Just wear a fucking mask it’s really not that complicated.
I don't think anyone in this thread has suggested that you shouldn't wear a mask if it's mandated in your region so I'm not sure who you're arguing against. I wear a mask 8-12 hours/day myself. That this, along with it being the same as anti-vaxxing, is the response to someone questioning the effectiveness of a universal mask mandate is evidence that we're not ready for this discussion. The day the experts and health authorities in some of the top performing countries also question the effectiveness of vaccination, then it's about equal. can you link the experts and health authorities questions the effectiveness of masks? Try to have it recent. Thanks.
No, masks are very effective. They've been used in healthcare for almost a century and I don't think any country or expert is disputing that. You're welcome.
Doesn’t matter. We aren’t accommodating your world. You’re alone in your beliefs and we’ll continue to ignore them. Do as you will.
Ah the forum debate equivalence to 'Yeah but you're ugly'. Classy and well played, there's no retort to that.
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On December 05 2020 04:38 Longshank wrote:
Ah the forum debate equivalence to 'Yeah but you're ugly'. Classy and well played, there's no retort to that.
No, I'm saying people will not hesitate to label someone's posts as they see fit in the absence of clarification. Everyone on this board has been mis-labeled and misunderstood. We have no entitlement to never being mis-labeled. It is a fundamental quality of communication. If someone is unwilling to clarify their position, they are not owed the impression they request.
This post is a great example, right? Notice how when my post was misunderstood, I quoted you, replied, and made an attempt to add specificity to what I am saying? That's the proper way to handle a discussion.
This would be a shitty way to respond to your post: "No, I'm clearly not saying they are ugly. Where did I say they are ugly? That is not what I said".
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On December 05 2020 04:50 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2020 04:38 Longshank wrote:
Ah the forum debate equivalence to 'Yeah but you're ugly'. Classy and well played, there's no retort to that.
No, I'm saying people will not hesitate to label someone's posts as they see fit in the absence of clarification. Everyone on this board has been mis-labeled and misunderstood. We have no entitlement to never being mis-labeled. It is a fundamental quality of communication. If someone is unwilling to clarify their position, they are not owed the impression they request. This post is a great example, right? Notice how when my post was misunderstood, I quoted you, replied, and made an attempt to add specificity to what I am saying? That's the proper way to handle a discussion. This would be a shitty way to respond to your post: "No, I'm clearly not saying they are ugly. Where did I say they are ugly? That is not what I said".
If someone misrepresents my position, I correct the misrepresentation and move on. I'm not generally dismissive towards people.
However, in JimmyC's case it wasn't a one-off occurrence. He - unlike other people - consistently misrepresented my position and made false accusations over and over and over. This got to a point where I decided it's not worth engaging with him anymore.
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On December 05 2020 05:43 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2020 04:50 Mohdoo wrote:On December 05 2020 04:38 Longshank wrote:
Ah the forum debate equivalence to 'Yeah but you're ugly'. Classy and well played, there's no retort to that.
No, I'm saying people will not hesitate to label someone's posts as they see fit in the absence of clarification. Everyone on this board has been mis-labeled and misunderstood. We have no entitlement to never being mis-labeled. It is a fundamental quality of communication. If someone is unwilling to clarify their position, they are not owed the impression they request. This post is a great example, right? Notice how when my post was misunderstood, I quoted you, replied, and made an attempt to add specificity to what I am saying? That's the proper way to handle a discussion. This would be a shitty way to respond to your post: "No, I'm clearly not saying they are ugly. Where did I say they are ugly? That is not what I said". If someone misrepresents my position, I correct the misrepresentation and move on. I'm not generally dismissive towards people. However, in JimmyC's case it wasn't a one-off occurrence. He - unlike other people - consistently misrepresented my position and made false accusations over and over and over. This got to a point where I decided it's not worth engaging with him anymore.
It sounds like we agree. I'd like to make a potentially helpful suggestion. This applies to not just online communication, but relationships in general:
When having a disagreement, it is common for people to feel misrepresented. It is understandable to feel defensive and offended by being characterized in a way that you would never intentionally behave. That's why it's offensive. It becomes natural for people to want to specifically address the misrepresentation rather than simply provide the correct representation. This can end up problematic and cyclic. The person who (presumably) misunderstood you will feel like they are being criticized and told they are wrong. People are generally less receptive to that. Instead, if you try to reiterate your point in a new way, add new details and elaborate more, it becomes very difficult for the misunderstanding to continue. Focusing on building something new rather than focusing on misrepresentations is more productive for everyone involved.
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