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agripsss
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On April 10 2020 13:11 JimmiC wrote: A german health expert says hard alcohol can help protect against the virus and mentions whiskey as a good option. So if you are into booze you can now say your doing it for health reasons. https://www.google.ca/amp/s/7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/german-health-expert-claims-drinking-alcohol-can-protect-against-coronavirus-c-948116.amp That sounds like irresponsible advice. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On April 10 2020 11:47 Emnjay808 wrote: I predict as more people gain the anti bodies then they will eventually be less strict with future lockdowns but still strongly recommend people practice social distancing, wearing masks etc. I guess I’m speaking for Hawaii mostly. As of right now, starting Friday: we have a 11pm-5am curfew. Roadblocks for everyone unless ur a first responder/health worker. Currently we’re at 300 cases from 200 cases last week. Doing real good I'm hoping for a gradual lessening of the lockdowns to transition to social distancing with masks. And HOPEFULLY with good supplies of masks, gloves, and hand sanitizer for traveling around. | ||
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Vivax
21991 Posts
On April 10 2020 13:11 JimmiC wrote: A german health expert says hard alcohol can help protect against the virus and mentions whiskey as a good option. So if you are into booze you can now say your doing it for health reasons. https://www.google.ca/amp/s/7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/german-health-expert-claims-drinking-alcohol-can-protect-against-coronavirus-c-948116.amp Questionable transcript from a crappy source. He was asked if alcohol kills ingested viruses, then got his words twisted for sensationalism. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10568 Posts
Indeed https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/alcohol-poisoning-kills-100-iranians-seeking-virus-protection | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
Personally if that is the price I pay for a functioning economy, less people dying and being able to go outside and meet with people then thats fine by me. Im not too worried about our government being nefarious and privacy honestly. The only thing I an worried about is that governments have notoriously terrible IT systems/tech. | ||
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Vivax
21991 Posts
On April 10 2020 17:33 Kipsate wrote: Talks of an App here in the Netherlands to improve tracing based on location (Voluntary and yes its only as useful as its userbase penetration). Personally if that is the price I pay for a functioning economy, less people dying and being able to go outside and meet with people then thats fine by me. Im not too worried about our government being nefarious and privacy honestly. The only thing I an worried about is that governments have notoriously terrible IT systems/tech. Then why are there the same sort of talks in Austria, France. It's being portrayed as if it's the project of singular countries when the timing and widespreadness suggests it's part of an overarching project, but it's being promoted in a way that doesn't suggest that. That alone should be cause for concern. It alway starts out with small harmless things, then people get used to it. When a majority uses it, more functions are added, and at some point it's mandatory. In the long run it may be used for social credit scoring like in China and generic profiling based on proximity, not to mention that just staying close to an individual for a prolonged period of time who then turned out to be involved in shady shit makes you a suspect for law enforcement. You could probably write a book about what a centrally controlled app can do that everyone uses, also with AI support and laws in place like preventive custody. Minority report stuff. | ||
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TT1
Canada10010 Posts
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-covid19-canada-latest-updates-190048955.html We have to isolate for a few more months and ramp up testing, it's the only way. Too many lives will be lost without strict measures. Re-open the economy in waves and have proper testing done for the next year. Take the economic hit to save lives, not doing so is irresponsible. Dunno what game Sweden is trying to play, even if they're right it's not worth the gamble. There's no data on herd immunity. Also, there's no concrete info on full immunity (or length) either.. Any similar gov. projections available for the US? Interested in comparing the numbers. | ||
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InFiNitY[pG]
Germany3474 Posts
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Slydie
1922 Posts
On April 10 2020 18:36 TT1 wrote: This is Canada's projection for the virus, pretty startling to see how much of an impact epidemic control has on infection/death rates. We'll have a better picture of how we're doing on April 16th (for Quebec where i live, on April 30th), we're aiming for strong epidemic control: https://ca.news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-covid19-canada-latest-updates-190048955.html We have to isolate for a few more months and ramp up testing, it's the only way. Too many lives will be lost without strict measures. Re-open the economy in waves and have proper testing done for the next year. Take the economic hit to save lives, not doing so is irresponsible. Dunno what game Sweden is trying to play, even if they're right it's not worth the gamble. There's no data on herd immunity. Also, there's no concrete info on full immunity (or length) either.. Any similar gov. projections available for the US? Interested in comparing the numbers. The debate about what to do and the effect of it is very important and alive. NO: you can't just say saving lives at any price is justifiable, espeiclly with very old patients. It isn't in any other sector of healthcare. The scientific basis for some of the most expensive and lifechenging measures is weak to non existant, but countries do it anyway because they are afraid of "not doing everything possible." Comparing Sweden, Norway and Denmark should be very interresting, but in all 3 countries, the healthcare system has been nowhere close to being overwhelmed, and a normal flu kills many more people per day than this pandemic. Source in Norwegian: www.aftenposten.no English article about the Swedish approach. It is misleading to mention Norway, though, as they did considerably more to prevent the spread and has much fewer deaths: www.nationalreview.com | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On April 09 2020 05:53 Slydie wrote: A question I am very curious about is when the virus is actuallly able to infect someone, not just how long you can detect traces of it. This goes for both surfaces and air. The main danger is close contact, even more over time, and the main way of transmission is through fluids. It is not like infected persons spread the virus to entire planes and airports. Is there any research from Korea? They tested a LOT of possibly infected persons, and should know a thing or two about when the virus is likely to be transmitted and when it isn't. The air you breathe out is full of fluids. It never gets cold enough to see your own breath's moisture where you live? You wrote "the main way of transmission is through fluids" so you should be able to work out the rest. | ||
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Poopi
France12886 Posts
On April 10 2020 19:42 Slydie wrote: Comparing Sweden, Norway and Denmark should be very interresting, but in all 3 countries, the healthcare system has been nowhere close to being overwhelmed, and a normal flu kills many more people per day than this pandemic. For the flu, you are probably talking about excess mortality numbers, which aren't the same as direct mortality accounted in covid death numbers. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28675 Posts
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15690 Posts
On April 11 2020 02:06 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: In the Netherlands (a) conspiracy theorist(s) are setting fire to mobile phone signal transmitters because of the wireless-5G-created-corona meme. Imagine damaging infrastructure needed to call ambulances in a pandemic because you watched some shitty youtube video. Fucking idiots. To be fair, 5G is a bad technology with limited use being pushed by Huawei. 5G shouldn't exist, regardless of Corona. | ||
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Vivax
21991 Posts
On April 11 2020 02:06 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: In the Netherlands (a) conspiracy theorist(s) are setting fire to mobile phone signal transmitters because of the wireless-5G-created-corona meme. Imagine damaging infrastructure needed to call ambulances in a pandemic because you watched some shitty youtube video. Fucking idiots. Actually we don't know if it's conspiracy theorists. Same thing happened in the UK. It's just newspapers saying it's conspiracy theorists because there are conspiracy theories regarding it. I haven't heard before of arson targeted at masts just because there were theories since forever that they cause illness. Until a culprit is found, anyone could have done it. Newspapers these days. | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9122 Posts
On April 11 2020 03:29 Vivax wrote: Actually we don't know if it's conspiracy theorists. Same thing happened in the UK. It's just newspapers saying it's conspiracy theorists because there are conspiracy theories regarding it. I haven't heard before of arson targeted at masts just because there were theories since forever that they cause illness. Until a culprit is found, anyone could have done it. Newspapers these days. Maybe because there were no facebook groups telling people to set fire to "big microwave" in the 70s | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On April 10 2020 18:18 Vivax wrote: Then why are there the same sort of talks in Austria, France. It's being portrayed as if it's the project of singular countries when the timing and widespreadness suggests it's part of an overarching project, but it's being promoted in a way that doesn't suggest that. That alone should be cause for concern. It alway starts out with small harmless things, then people get used to it. When a majority uses it, more functions are added, and at some point it's mandatory. In the long run it may be used for social credit scoring like in China and generic profiling based on proximity, not to mention that just staying close to an individual for a prolonged period of time who then turned out to be involved in shady shit makes you a suspect for law enforcement. You could probably write a book about what a centrally controlled app can do that everyone uses, also with AI support and laws in place like preventive custody. Minority report stuff. yes, this is concerning to me. I haven't heard about it in Canada at least, but it's probably that it's not been reported on as much when most of our news nowadays seems to be "Corona Corona Corona". Tbf, google maps will take your location if you use the location feature, but this sounds more invasive even if voluntary. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17289 Posts
It's pretty worrying if it's actually true. China buying up all stock of medical supplies on foreign markets, banning internal flights while allowing international ones and encouraging rampant racism inside their borders... User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Vivax
21991 Posts
On April 11 2020 05:51 BigFan wrote: Man, the US is about to surpass Italy for # of deaths and hitting 1.5-2k a day. Seems insane to think about though I wonder if it's also been overreported too (attributing noncorona deaths to corona due to multiple comorbidities). How are other countries faring? Has anyone here heard when their lockdown might be lifted? Our PM in Canada said that things won't go back to normal until a vaccine is made, but that's over a year out by all conservative estimates. There's no way the country stays in lockdown. It'll kill any small to medium businesses at the min and wreck the economy. yes, this is concerning to me. I haven't heard about it in Canada at least, but it's probably that it's not been reported on as much when most of our news nowadays seems to be "Corona Corona Corona". Tbf, google maps will take your location if you use the location feature, but this sounds more invasive even if voluntary. Tracking is fine, as long as companies private. I don't think I'm important enough for someone in the US who gets my google data through the backchannels to even look at it, and google aims at targeted advertising for profit. Just wary of governments tying apps to a right to personal liberties that we're used to. Mostly though the right to protest if lawmakers start overdoing it, because just voting sometimes doesn't cut it. I did a bit of research regarding the app in Austria and it doesn't seem as bad as I originally thought since it's from the red cross. Just seems futile on a voluntarily basis because someone would have to type in his infection status. So my dystopian paranoia might be a bit premature here. | ||
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