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Grade inflation like this just irks me.
Girl graduates from HS w/8.0 GPA
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Dknight
United States5223 Posts
Link to the video 1m 46s Grade inflation like this just irks me. | ||
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unknown.sam
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azndsh
United States4447 Posts
and I take it gym and health aren't mandatory there like it is at most schools | ||
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funkie
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good. so? | ||
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HolyToss1911
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On June 17 2007 08:26 Dknight wrote: For those of you who don't know how the American GPA (grade point average) works: a 4.0 is considered perfect - straight As. An A- is 3.7, B+ is 3.4, B is 3.0, etc. A 2.0 is usually required for most public universities to stay in school. So for her to get an 8.0, she had to take AP (advanced placement classes) and college classes. High schools weight these classes and the "higher level" classes, allowing kids to have GPAs far over a 4.0. So I could get a C in an AP class and it would have the same weight as an A in the normal version of that class. Link to the video 1m 46s Grade inflation like this just irks me. That tipe of inflation make that kids worry about grades more than they father about their jobs and keeping good grades = almost not social life. | ||
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grobo
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But if 4.0 is the best you can get in normal cases, why did she want to get 8.0? isn't that sort of meaningless? | ||
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Hans-Titan
Denmark1711 Posts
On topic, that's quite a feat. I don't like thought that your grades can go above the maximum just because you take extra classes though. An 8.0 avg is just sick. | ||
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minus_human
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she gotta relax it perhaps I just hate high-graders because i'm lazy as shit | ||
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Duffybeer
China183 Posts
On June 17 2007 08:40 minus_human wrote: If a genius isn't relaxed and doesn't use he/she's brain in a domain that pleasures him/her, the high IQ is pretty much wasted in my opinion. she gotta relax it perhaps I just hate high-graders because i'm lazy as shit Not everyone with high GPA's, or high IQ's are geniuses, those things really are not a measure of true intelligence. | ||
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davidgurt
United States1355 Posts
Speaking of MIT, a friend of mine who currently goes there said, "Yeah, MIT tends to accept a lot of girls. You have to have a vagina or you can't get in."  | ||
Excalibur_Z
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davidgurt
United States1355 Posts
"Times when she only got 4 hours of sleep a night." Please. $20 says she'd get a 2.0 if she went to my high school. | ||
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Jim
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
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Sudyn
United States744 Posts
Damn T_T | ||
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white_box921
United Kingdom967 Posts
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Empyrean
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This girl would get eaten alive at MIT. | ||
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LuMiX
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Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
GPA is just another near meaningless number. | ||
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minus_human
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On June 17 2007 08:45 Duffybeer wrote: Not everyone with high GPA's, or high IQ's are geniuses, those things really are not a measure of true intelligence. Yes, you're right I guess.. that was a little besides the point. I just think she MUST be smart besides insanely motivated to work. Don't you agree? When I wrote what I wrote I was considering she must have high intelligence, otherwise all the hard work or nerd-ness in the world wouldn't have brought her that GPA What I wasn't considering, though, is that indeed she MAY not be all so smart. But I don't think we should underestimate her, even though we really don't like her lifestyle  | ||
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teh leet newb
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
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L!MP
Australia2067 Posts
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WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2325 Posts
That must mean that there are multiple people above the 4.0 average and they all got to be valedictorian. Ridiculous. | ||
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Hurricane
United States3939 Posts
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
AP classes at every other school only give you a maximum of up to a 5.0 Honestly, I'd like to know what she got on her SAT's | ||
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XDawn
Canada4040 Posts
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Liquid`Daaman
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mahnini
United States6862 Posts
You can talk all you want about how GPA means nothing and how you would've blah blah blah, fact is you didn't. JLIG That being said, 8.0 GPA wtf? I'd have to agree that's some fucked up school, but it doesn't mean she's an attention whore or not intelligent. Insecure much? Edit: wooo lurker P.S. Not directed at daaman.  | ||
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FatRine
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L!MP
Australia2067 Posts
On June 17 2007 08:56 rS]taCat wrote: Geez, I took a shitload of APs and my GPA is still only like a 4.7 because the highest we get averaged into our GPA is +10 points (so a 100 [4.0] factored into a GPA is a 110 [5.0]) That's ridiculous. Also, classes like Health (which can't be AP and are automatically 4.0 if you get a 100) drops my GPA to lower than a 5.0. Damn T_T no offence but the system is obviously flawed then. not only because people taking AP classes can just outclass a regular high achiever, but because you cant get a regular max GPA per every subject you take. mostly for the former though. hi im a college grad, i have a 4.0 GPA. omg! this guy must be smart. put him down as a probable. hi, my GPA is 4.7 out of 4  ... wtf? | ||
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WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2325 Posts
On June 17 2007 08:30 azndsh wrote: she is going to MIT after all and I take it gym and health aren't mandatory there like it is at most schools Nah, PE is mandatory. But yoga is very popular..... which makes me wonder if we actually get any exercise even with the required PE. It is true that it's easier for girls to get in. I've heard of so many cases of girls and guys at the same high school, where the girl was accepted and the guy dropped even when the guy had slightly better credentials. MIT has considerably pulled the gap between male/female ratios and it is nearly 50:50 now. Hopefully she doesn't turn into an annoying freshman who goes around bragging about high school stats. American student 1: I got a 1600 without even studying. American student 2: I bombed it, only got a 1550. Chinese/Korean Int student: SAT? Doesn't everybody here get perfect? I received a gold medal at the international chemistry Olympiad.... Ah, fuck. Too many people talk about classes and past achievements. I remember, as a freshman, I've had at least 10 conversations over lunch about other people's SAT scores. | ||
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Aphelion
United States2720 Posts
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minus_human
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On June 17 2007 09:10 Aphelion wrote: A summary of much that is wrong with the American college-prep HS system. I think this phenomenon does happen elsewhere, where the completely different grading system make it even more difficult to notice. | ||
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Duffybeer
China183 Posts
On June 17 2007 09:01 minus_human wrote: Yes, you're right I guess.. that was a little besides the point. I just think she MUST be smart besides insanely motivated to work. Don't you agree? When I wrote what I wrote I was considering she must have high intelligence, otherwise all the hard work or nerd-ness in the world wouldn't have brought her that GPA What I wasn't considering, though, is that indeed she MAY not be all so smart. But I don't think we should underestimate her, even though we really don't like her lifestyle She HAS common sense for working hard, otherwise I don't think she is anything special. And to tell you the truth, I thinks its pretty stupid of you think she is somekind of genius based on grades. Please don't make any stupid/ignorant assumptions like this. Not all real smart genius people fit the category that fills up a slot of your flawed perception or stereotypes. BTW to that one korean person, since when did Koreans started winning international science olympiads? Or perfect SAT scores? | ||
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mistapooh
United States376 Posts
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WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2325 Posts
On June 17 2007 09:22 Duffybeer wrote: She HAS common sense for working hard, otherwise I don't think she is anything special. And to tell you the truth, I thinks its pretty stupid of you think she is somekind of genius based on grades. Please don't make any stupid/ignorant assumptions like this. Not all real smart genius people fit the category that fills up a slot of your flawed perception or stereotypes. BTW to that one korean person, since when did Koreans started winning international science olympiads? Since when...? There are a lot more Korean medalists at MIT than Chinese. More than a ratio of 3:1. I always got at least 8 hours of sleep in high school. She makes it seem like a big deal. Girls like her will come to MIT and get like 2 hrs of sleep a night. They complain a lot more than they actually study. | ||
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davidgurt
United States1355 Posts
On June 17 2007 09:31 WhatisProtoss wrote: Since when...? There are a lot more Korean medalists at MIT than Chinese. More than a ratio of 3:1. I always got at least 8 hours of sleep in high school. She makes it seem like a big deal. Girls like her will come to MIT and get like 2 hrs of sleep a night. They complain a lot more than they actually study. More Kor medalists than Chinese in something other than sc? nowai | ||
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minus_human
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On June 17 2007 09:22 Duffybeer wrote: She HAS common sense for working hard, otherwise I don't think she is anything special. And to tell you the truth, I thinks its pretty stupid of you think she is somekind of genius based on grades. Please don't make any stupid/ignorant assumptions like this. Not all real smart genius people fit the category that fills up a slot of your flawed perception or stereotypes. BTW to that one korean person, since when did Koreans started winning international science olympiads? Or perfect SAT scores? Why do you think my perception of stereotypes is flawed? I was assuming (towards the end) that she may very well not be a stereotype You (and many others) consider her a sterotype, I was just saying there is a possibility that she isn't one. Besides my first post, I didn't integrate her into any category. You throw away words like "ignorant" and "flawed" easily at people, don't you? what-ever, but be careful | ||
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HappyFeetO_O
China350 Posts
On June 17 2007 09:31 WhatisProtoss wrote: Since when...? There are a lot more Korean medalists at MIT than Chinese. More than a ratio of 3:1. I always got at least 8 hours of sleep in high school. She makes it seem like a big deal. Girls like her will come to MIT and get like 2 hrs of sleep a night. They complain a lot more than they actually study. Oh I see, because there are 3 times more Koreans than Chinese in this category at MIT it means that there are therefore more Koreans than Chinese in thsi category in the world. Thanks for this explanation. Cause you know, there are so many more Koreans than Chinese. China could have .0001% population in science and have more than the male population of South Korea. | ||
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minus_human
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China could have .0001% population in science and have more than the male population of South Korea. ROFL owned | ||
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WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2325 Posts
On June 17 2007 09:57 HappyFeetO_O wrote: Oh I see, because there are 3 times more Koreans than Chinese in this category at MIT it means that there are therefore more Koreans than Chinese in thsi category in the world. Thanks for this explanation. Cause you know, there are so many more Koreans than Chinese. China could have .0001% population in science and have more than the male population of South Korea. When did I say in the world? I said, at MIT the ratio is 3:1. I never even mentioned the world, wtf? What's up with you Chinese getting so riled up? You are the single largest population on this planet. Hell, you guys BETTER have more Olympiad gold medalist and genius scientists than the rest of us. Who cares about how many Chinese people there are? You still lose the medal count to a bunch of smaller nations at Olympics. I think it's a classic example of quantity vs. quality. | ||
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davidgurt
United States1355 Posts
On June 17 2007 09:59 WhatisProtoss wrote: When did I say in the world? I said, at MIT the ratio is 3:1. I never even mentioned the world, wtf? What's up with you Chinese getting so riled up? You are the single largest population on this planet. Hell, you guys BETTER have more Olympiad gold medalist and genius scientists than the rest of us. Who cares about how many Chinese people there are? You still lose the medal count to a bunch of smaller nations at Olympics. "You Chinese?" Are you being fucking racist. just kidding. I must say that I would like to see some actual data to support your MIT and Olympics claims though. | ||
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bdams19
United States1316 Posts
On June 17 2007 08:46 davidgurt wrote: That's total bullshit. "Extra credit"? As far as I know, honors courses only adds a single point to your GPA. Thus, the highest GPA you should theoretically be able to obtain is 5.0. The average GPA for UC students from our high school was around 4.3, and the average GPA for top tier privates was around 4.5. Speaking of MIT, a friend of mine who currently goes there said, "Yeah, MIT tends to accept a lot of girls. You have to have a vagina or you can't get in." lol | ||
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WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2325 Posts
(1) US: 103 (2) Russia: 92 (3) China: 63 Torino 2006 (1) Germany: 29 (2) US: 25 (3) Canada: 24 (4) Austria: 23 (5) Russia: 22 (6) Norway: 19 (7) Sweden: 14 (8) Swiss: 14 (9) South Korea: 11 (10) Italy: 11 (11) China: 11 The United States is always near the top, despite having exactly 1 BILLION people less than mainland China. | ||
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fight_or_flight
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WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2325 Posts
On June 17 2007 10:09 fight_or_flight wrote: So you need like 7.0+ to get into MIT now? Yeah, apparently... Just go to a high school with massive grade inflation. You'll get in anywhere. I have a feeling she won't last long at MIT. | ||
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Servolisk
United States5241 Posts
She sounds so naive I also expect her to do horribly. Only getting 4 hours of sleep? Wow! | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14910 Posts
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
I thought GPA was sorta like an average out of 4, and that 5 is a perfect score for AP classes. So if you get perfect in all AP classes, how does that average to an 8? So, does every AP class inflate her grade by one? Does that mean that you can get a bunch of 4's and end up with something higher than 4? That's so weird, I don't understand the system at all. | ||
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SoMuchBetter
Australia10606 Posts
On June 17 2007 10:13 WhatisProtoss wrote: Yeah, apparently... Just go to a high school with massive grade inflation. You'll get in anywhere. I have a feeling she won't last long at MIT. wait so different schools grade differently? isnt there some sort of national institute which regulates that sort of thing? | ||
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marquis
United States109 Posts
On June 17 2007 09:10 WhatisProtoss wrote: Nah, PE is mandatory. But yoga is very popular..... which makes me wonder if we actually get any exercise even with the required PE. Not like you don't get excercise WiP, running around the campus in your short shorts and biking gloves. | ||
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white_box921
United Kingdom967 Posts
On June 17 2007 10:08 WhatisProtoss wrote: Athens 2004 (1) US: 103 (2) Russia: 92 (3) China: 63 Torino 2006 (1) Germany: 29 (2) US: 25 (3) Canada: 24 (4) Austria: 23 (5) Russia: 22 (6) Norway: 19 (7) Sweden: 14 (8) Swiss: 14 (9) South Korea: 11 (10) Italy: 11 (11) China: 11 The United States is always near the top, despite having exactly 1 BILLION people less than mainland China. yea, like they change the rules so china don't rule in weight lifting/table tennis/badminton. Also wonder how many medalist that usa have bought, I personally would like to in a country where people represent my country are actually born here and is a through and through. edit: anyway, would still like to know how powerful this girl is if she is on an english system....or no one know the comparison? | ||
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PinoyTalaga324
United States41 Posts
and to all of you that are saying GPA's and IQ's are just numbers and dont mean anything. u r idiots. i assume income is just a number too. | ||
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Daveed
United States236 Posts
On June 17 2007 09:59 WhatisProtoss wrote: When did I say in the world? I said, at MIT the ratio is 3:1. I never even mentioned the world, wtf? What's up with you Chinese getting so riled up? You are the single largest population on this planet. Hell, you guys BETTER have more Olympiad gold medalist and genius scientists than the rest of us. Who cares about how many Chinese people there are? You still lose the medal count to a bunch of smaller nations at Olympics. I think it's a classic example of quantity vs. quality. Yo, chillax~ Any-how, I guess I don't know that many of the Korean Intl's @ MIT. But, I don't believe that there could be such a big gap between medalists in number; one of the IPhO kids from China told me that there were... I believe, 3 kids from the Chinese math team who transferred this year. Now, maybe this was a special year, and a lot came over, but it seems like if this ~3 people thing was approx. true for past years too, then... there can't possibly be a 3:1 ratio. Anyway, I don't want to argue with you. International kids are, in general, frickin' smart. End of story, yeah? | ||
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iamke55
United States2806 Posts
That said, 8.0 is like post-WWI Germany money. | ||
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Daveed
United States236 Posts
On June 17 2007 08:48 davidgurt wrote: "Times when she only got 4 hours of sleep a night." Please. $20 says she'd get a 2.0 if she went to my high school. Heh... Heh... 4 hours a night I guess all the starcraft doesn't help my sleep schedule. DAMN. | ||
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InfeSteD
United States4658 Posts
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jeddus
United States832 Posts
.. edit, but my wife. She cared about high school. Very much. I think she had a 4.3 GPA. (I had a 2.9) | ||
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jjl
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minus_human
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On June 17 2007 11:04 jjl wrote: I agree about the 8.0 being complete BS, but despite that, maybe the girl actually is smart. Who knows. Give her a break. Sounds like people are just jealous of the media attention. But the media likes to hear BS like "8.0 GPA". Agree with you 100%. She still may be a bitch. Safe is to say, it's really inappropriate for any of us to judge | ||
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[r]h_probe
United States188 Posts
if you are ranked 1 out of 700 but "only" have a 4.0 because your school has no grade inflation then you still have great chances of getting into the ivy leagues etc | ||
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ArC_man
United States2798 Posts
I seriously think AP classes are just a waste of time now (at least the tests are, the classes themselves might be pretty interesting). Back in the day, I remember trying to take as many AP classes as I could so I could get all these "college units". In reality you do get a bunch of units but they don't actually count for anything, they're just there. So you get stuck with a bunch of units that aren't worth anything, and you still have to take all your GEs. | ||
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Empyrean
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WhatisProtoss
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On June 17 2007 10:53 Daveed wrote: Yo, chillax~ Any-how, I guess I don't know that many of the Korean Intl's @ MIT. But, I don't believe that there could be such a big gap between medalists in number; one of the IPhO kids from China told me that there were... I believe, 3 kids from the Chinese math team who transferred this year. Now, maybe this was a special year, and a lot came over, but it seems like if this ~3 people thing was approx. true for past years too, then... there can't possibly be a 3:1 ratio. Anyway, I don't want to argue with you. International kids are, in general, frickin' smart. End of story, yeah? From the class of 2008, there are 2 physics Olympiad gold medalists, 1 chemistry gold medalist, 1 chemistry silver medalist. In the grade above mine, the graduated class, there were at least 2 physics gold medalists and 1 math gold medalist. And there are only 4-7 Koreans accepted from overseas. | ||
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[angst]chraej
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poor girl. | ||
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Daveed
United States236 Posts
no sense in this, really. | ||
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Locked
United States4182 Posts
having GPAs higher than 4.0 is just dumb, grade inflation sucks but it's everywhere On June 17 2007 10:54 iamke55 wrote: I must have the hardest grading high school around. There's nothing above a 4.0 here, no matter how AP a class is. You need 95% for an A(or 94.5% rounded up by a nice teacher), A- counts as 3.7 no matter if it's honors or AP, no such thing as A+, etc. My 3.82 got recalculated to a 3.97 by college standards and pretty much any 3.9+ is taken as a 4.0 by colleges. I think we just don't like having multiple Vals/Sals. That said, 8.0 is like post-WWI Germany money. this is how most college GPAs work i think at least | ||
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rpf
United States2705 Posts
On June 17 2007 09:00 Tien wrote: Who cares. GPA is just another near meaningless number. | ||
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ktp
United States797 Posts
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
Her school district has a weird curriculum. | ||
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Meta
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anch
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XCetron
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On June 17 2007 13:44 anch wrote: its the APM and WPM that matters here. someone should do some research about the relativity between APM and GPA of the average TLnetter. | ||
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Person514cs
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sith
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This last quarter I got a 92.5 in spanish. In our school anything above .5 gets rounded up to next whole number, anything below .4 gets rounded down. Grades are like 98-100 A+ 93-97 A 90-92 B+ 85-90 B Etc.... (The took of A-, B-, C- etc because they thought that it lowered self esteem to see a - on a grade, bullshit) So if I get a 92.5 and it gets rounded up, thats an A, which is a 4.0 on my gpa. BUT, if i got a 92.4, it's a B+, which is only a 3.4 (I think). SO A TENTH OF A POINT CAN MAKE OR BREAK YOUR ENTIRE GPA. Yes, it's as stupid as it sounds. I like it personally, because I can slack off and get low A's, but on the report card that my parents see they have no idea whether I got a 92.5 or a 96.4. AP adds on .7 to our GPA, which makes them actually worth taking because most of the AP classes at our school are a joke. | ||
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wishterran
United States1045 Posts
my fucking highschool doesn't weight AP classes any different than gym class and pottery class and shit. i've gotten all A's and B's in my AP classes, and all A's in regular classes, and i don't even have a 4.0 | ||
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marquis
United States109 Posts
i always used unweighted GPA, because it shaves away the bullshit of all the different point systems. besides, anyone worth impressing won't be impressed by an inflated GPA. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
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Amber[LighT]
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On June 17 2007 15:35 wishterran wrote: i'm so pissed my fucking highschool doesn't weight AP classes any different than gym class and pottery class and shit. i've gotten all A's and B's in my AP classes, and all A's in regular classes, and i don't even have a 4.0 Uhhhh that's because an A doesn't necessarily mean a 4.0. | ||
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draeger
United States3256 Posts
The amount of merit one receives for taking a semester long college course in twice the time and with twice the amount of classes is way over-exaggerated. | ||
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Dknight
United States5223 Posts
Thats the one universally accepted grade in America. A = 4.0. That and F = 0. | ||
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FreeZEternal
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Klogon
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On June 17 2007 17:45 draeger wrote: Weighted GPA in general is dumb. Colleges can look at your curriculum and know whether or not the GPA you have is worth a damn. There should be absolutely 0 weight and the 4.0 scale should not be desecrated by some kids who are taking relatively basic college courses. The amount of merit one receives for taking a semester long college course in twice the time and with twice the amount of classes is way over-exaggerated. Wrong. Class rank still pulls a bit because if your high school is unknown, they have no idea how academic the rest of your school is or how easy the classes are so they use the rank. I was ranked 9th when I graduated, but my course load was twice as hard as everyone of those kids in front of me. I just managed to get one 89.2% one semester (we count only A, B, C etc instead of A-, B+, B, B-, etc) after joining an AP class 9 weeks late sophomore year (only one in my grade in there) but because there was no weighting, my ranking fell. Thing is, it can be argued they can just look at my schedule and know it was very vigorous. But what they do not know is how I match up with my peers. They can see I was #9 with one B, but does that mean the ones ahead of me are taking the same course load as me yet still pulling the 4.0 or are they taking the easiest classes and getting 4.0? Without a school reputation and without weighting grades, they cannot know this for sure. So for accuracy's sake, why would weighted GPAs be such BS? And you complain about the merit of the AP system. So I guess AP Calculus (with twice the time and amount of classes as college) is just as hard as Pre-Algebra, eh? | ||
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FreeZEternal
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Jonaay
United States53 Posts
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draeger
United States3256 Posts
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sOra
Canada29 Posts
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Skittled
United States160 Posts
You can call her an Asian, or a girl, or a total nerd. She's better than you. Social life? Probably a weak one, but most overachievers still have fun. Good grades, activities, clubs, friends, sports, leadership, and this usually brings in popularity. I'm willing to bet she's really well-rounded. umm as for the idiots insulting her 8.0 GPA, when she applied for MIT she must have written: 4.0 unweighted, 8.0 weighted. Do you kids know how colleges pick students? Part of the criteria involves difficulty of classes ( Honors, AP, IB) and classes offered by the school. That means if one school offers AP Environment Science and another doesn't, that will be noted. If one school offers 6 AP's, and another offers 7, that will be noted. If a student takes all 6, and a student takes all 7, then they both will be treated somewhat faily. If a student takes all 6, and the second student only takes 6 as well, that will be noted. Her school offers 7, but they only took 6. sorry if I confused you. Also, colleges will see if the school's AP classes are actually meaningful. They might look at your AP exam score to see if your AP class was easy-medium-hard. All schools vary. Finally, they'll probably have an universal grading point scale. I had to take PE during my freshman/sophomore year of high school. Some just skip health/geo/pe and go straight to AP Euro or AP Physics / Statistics. How is it fair to compare those that are forced to take P.E. and those that got to take a weighted class? Well, colleges will figure it out. They won't compare a 8.0 to a 4.6. Their scale will probably make it something like 4.9 to 4.5. | ||
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FirstBorn
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tiffany
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On July 02 2007 12:38 FirstBorn wrote: Damn, that girl makes me feel so ignorant... she has done nothing to warrant you feeling that way. | ||
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bearnet2001
Argentina335 Posts
On July 02 2007 12:38 FirstBorn wrote: Damn, that girl makes me feel so ignorant... lol at equating marks with any relevant trait beyond the recognition others give | ||
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jjun212
Canada2208 Posts
On June 17 2007 08:50 MYM.Testie wrote: Calm it down... true say | ||
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