South American Politics thread - Page 34

On August 23 2019 12:57 JimmiC wrote:
Where does the US say it supports Slash and Burn or is this more assumptions states as facts?

The US has done enough things to the environment and to SA no need to make things up. Or "presume"

On August 23 2019 14:09 JimmiC wrote:

None of the above.

I'm arguing that inferences are not facts and should not be stated as such. They should be stated with things like "I think" or "I believe".


As for what I presume, I don't know what Trump thinks. Do I think he would be for mass deforestation? If it was profitable for him I would think so, because I think he only cares about himself like most narcissists, but in this case likely no since he needs votes from the midwest, his tariffs have hurt farmers. China has begun to get most of their soy beans from Brazil to spite Trump. Brazilian deforestation by farmers looking to grow more soy for China does not help him or his chances of being re-elected. Trump is not pure evil looking to do whatever damage he can do where ever he can do it, he is a pragmatist and a narcissist and possibly a sociopath. If it helped him personally different story.

But even though I have decently well thought out reasoning for why he wouldn't be for it I would never treat this inference like a fact, because it is not one. And I find it exceedingly frustrating when people do. It is what creates the alternative fact narrative and people believing shit they shouldn't because people, often in high positions, are doing what you often do and stating their opinion/presumption/inference as if it is a fact. Heck I didn't even presume you had nothing to back up your claims, I suspected as much based on many of our conversations but because I couldn't be sure I asked for a source.

On August 23 2019 11:06 GoTuNk! wrote:


I'm sorry to imply anything then, that's a perfectly valid point.

I'm honestly appaled how some people, like GH, but all over instagram, can't wait 2 seconds when a natural disaster happens and inmediatately use it to put baseless blame on politicians they don't like. Or again in GH's case, on unrelated countries they deeply hate, like the US.

On August 23 2019 22:58 Liquid`Drone wrote:


This is a man made natural disaster and there's no doubt that Bolsonaro is a significant part of the reason why the deforestation and amount of forest fires is accelerating.

I mean the guy doesn't even acknowledge that there is a climate problem. He doesn't even want money from other countries to preserve the amazon rainforest (this is 'imperialism') because he seemingly does not believe the rainforest produces any value. He's literally the most harmful person on the entire planet right now.

On August 24 2019 07:17 Liquid`Drone wrote:
My understanding is that reforestation is considered one of our most important tools for fighting global warming in a world where a couple billions of people in India, South America and Africa can be expected to emit more co2 as their wealth and consumption ability increases.

On August 24 2019 07:36 LG)Sabbath wrote:

Yeah that's a big issue, and since we can't stop starving people from improving their lives, a good way to help would be to assist these countries as much as possible in developing green tech. I don't see a huge push in high tech sharing coming from developed countries down here in Argentina.

On August 24 2019 08:44 JimmiC wrote:


Thank you for the map, and that is a really cool site as you poke around. It is not surprising with the US considering Trump campaigned on coal (albeit oh so disappointing). The good news is in spite of that there does not appear to be any new or planned coal plants in the states so that is something. I'm going to circulate this site at work. Lots of great info.

It also is super telling on why the global environmental community constantly points out that China is the biggest threat along with India, not only the population but that they are still investing in these HORRENDOUS sources of power. No amount of "green washing" by their government can hide this kind of blatant abuse on the environment. And that is before you get into how they handle plastic and the amount of concrete we use.

On August 24 2019 11:03 JimmiC wrote:

Just use less. The biggest thing would be to not build entire cities that are not used. But there are many others ways as well. Such as the not needed super highways to hong kong, the biggest this and the biggest that to not only destroy the environment but force millions of people to relocate. One of the reasons they do this is because China has stupid amounts of concrete making infrastructure and they people at the top only make money if they are supplying it to projects. So they always have these "super projects" going on.

The Chinese government gets to be awful to the environment, awful to its people, awful to people of neighboring countries. I'm sorry to disappoint you but they are the worlds villain not the US. You could maybe argue US is top 5 (depending on how you weight treating of people outside of your borders compared to humans rights violations on your own people) but China is King.


https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/feb/28/the-grey-wall-of-china-inside-the-worlds-concrete-superpower

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under-occupied_developments_in_China

On August 24 2019 11:50 JimmiC wrote:


No my point is there are lots of alternatives, why you continue to have such a blind spot for the chinese governments behavior.

No I am not. That is what I was saying is despite the ism the operate similar. The difference being it is supposed to illegal in tge states and once in a while people get caught. In China it is just how they do business along with forcing people to all leave there homes. How would that go over in the US.