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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On August 21 2018 06:22 Dangermousecatdog wrote: If by to the corner, you mean a distance of 500 meters of less, why would you ever drive there if you aren't disabled or carrying heavy items? I personally don't mind walking to the corner, but yes, less than 500 meters, and people in my area are already driving with full A/C. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 21 2018 06:29 WolfintheSheep wrote: Problem is, legal wheels run exceptionally slow in the US, especially for big corporations that can afford to keep lots of lawyers on retainer. Much easier to ignore the problems in the US, as opposed to something like an EU ruling which will pile on 6-7 figure fines every day. The EU cracked that code a while ago and figured out how to compound fines for bad business practices. The Google fine over the search ads is my favorite. The case lasted 2 years and Google never stopped running the ads above people's searches in the EU during that time, so they got pinned to the wall for like 4 billion. And now they got another 5 billion in anti trust violations for Android. The EU has a clear message: If the EU brings a complaint for a specific business practice, stop that business practice until the complaint is resolved. I can only hope HUD bring the hammer as hard, but I don't know if they are able too. The regulations seem to punish repeat offenders, rather than one like Facebook who just didn't give a shit and was going to do it until they were forced to stop. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On August 21 2018 06:39 ShoCkeyy wrote: I personally don't mind walking to the corner, but yes, less than 500 meters, and people in my area are already driving with full A/C. But...why? The 5 mins gained isn't even worth the cost of fuel, unless you happen to live in a neighbourhood of millionaires. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On August 21 2018 07:22 Dangermousecatdog wrote: But...why? The 5 mins gained isn't even worth the cost of fuel, unless you happen to live in a neighbourhood of millionaires. what would you estimate the cost of that fuel to be? and what other numbers are you using to reach that conclusion? I suspect your math assessments may be a bit off; but can't tell without seeing the numbers. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35172 Posts
On August 21 2018 05:47 Simberto wrote: But you are from a small village in the middle of nowhere if i recall correctly. I was asking mostly about the densely populated areas. Of course not every village with 50 people can have its own school. But in those cases, you also don't have a problem with the roads being too crowded. I grew up in a suburb outside of North Philly and was consistently told by my parents to not go very far into the city because that particular section of N.Philly wasn't the best when it came to safety. For all its diversity, there were oodles of religious buildings and tons of parks which ratcheted up the property tax, so businesses tended to avoid being in my town. If I avoided going into the city for anything outside of a convenience store I could see from my bedroom window, it took about a half hour by car for me to get to anything worthwhile. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14113 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
This thread is a good read on how abnormal it is for ex CIA and military officials speak out against a sitting president. Especially on mass like they are. Although the guy posting lionizes the intelligence officials a bit, he is right that they are not monetizing their clearance and wouldn’t normally be involved with politics. That the “deep state” narrative is also a way for Trump and his allies to discredit the people in charge of holding them accountable for breaking the law. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On August 21 2018 08:54 Plansix wrote: https://twitter.com/vermontgmg/status/1031563914373464070 This thread is a good read on how abnormal it is for ex CIA and military officials speak out against a sitting president. Especially on mass like they are. Although the guy posting lionizes the intelligence officials a bit, he is right that they are not monetizing their clearance and wouldn’t normally be involved with politics. That the “deep state” narrative is also a way for Trump and his allies to discredit the people in charge of holding them accountable for breaking the law. It speaks to the risk that having Trump in office presents to the country. We all know that if left unchecked, he would be a very destructive force. His voters justify it by saying that he is checked by the institutions and those around him - which in itself is a damning admission. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
On August 21 2018 08:04 Plansix wrote: Walking in 100 F degree heat carry food for 500 meters sounds like the worst, tbh. And slightly dangerous if someone isn’t acclimated to that kind of heat. It's not just 100F degree heat, it's also the humidity on top of it. People choose to drive in comfort for a min, than walk for five minutes around here. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
On August 21 2018 08:54 Plansix wrote: https://twitter.com/vermontgmg/status/1031563914373464070 This thread is a good read on how abnormal it is for ex CIA and military officials speak out against a sitting president. Especially on mass like they are. Although the guy posting lionizes the intelligence officials a bit, he is right that they are not monetizing their clearance and wouldn’t normally be involved with politics. That the “deep state” narrative is also a way for Trump and his allies to discredit the people in charge of holding them accountable for breaking the law. The New Yorker put out a piece about the origins of Brennan's decision to start speaking out that I found fascinating. https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/john-brennans-choice-to-confront-trump Trump has been very outspoken and critical about US intelligence agencies when it came to the Russia investigation and the dossier from the start of his presidency. He has tried to discredit them at least a dozen times, saying he doesn't believe them, Putin is telling the truth, he doesn't know who did the hacking, and on and on while they have been providing him intel that all says differently. Anything that is critical of him, even objectively, needs to be attacked. Then there was his disgraceful speech in front of the CIA memorial wall that he used to complain about the media and his inauguration size. Point is, these government officials who are speaking out against him are not doing so unprovoked. Other intelligence veterans fell in the middle, citing concerns that personal attacks fuelled distrust of the C.I.A. as an institution. “John, I understand why you’re doing what you’re doing,” a former intelligence official told me, summing up the views of several of Brennan’s former colleagues on the private e-mail chain. “I understand why you feel so strongly about it. I get it. I actually feel the same way. What you write resonates with me. But I worry about the impact on the President’s perspective of current intelligence officers. It confirms his biases. It reinforces his theme that there’s a ‘deep state’ and that the ‘deep state’ is out to get him. It is actually helpful to him in solidifying his base.” There is no deep state. Trump simply attacks the government institutions who uncover his misdeeds, and when they speak out against his poor conduct it's suddenly a government conspiracy to delegitimize his presidency. He's handled this whole thing about as badly as one could imagine. Trump is deserving of the criticism he gets from these officials. | ||
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Yurie
12084 Posts
On August 21 2018 06:39 ShoCkeyy wrote: I personally don't mind walking to the corner, but yes, less than 500 meters, and people in my area are already driving with full A/C. Most places I normally am at you would lose time from using a car that distance due to distance to car and distance from parking space to destination. City centres also charge you for parking, so it would be expensive. Malls and similar places don't tend to charge since the shops pay for the parking area to exist there. I normally commute ~2km to work every day and calculated that using a car would lose me time compared to biking. Especially in the winter when people have to scrape windows and similar things. The major time losses would be in the parking at work which is around 200 meters away from work and parking is available in basement floors 2 and down. Using buses would be even worse since the distance is so short and I would have to switch bus. Likely to take twice as long as biking. I can easily understand not wanting to do it in very high or very low temperatures. Though I just chalk it up to savings from not owning a car and just bear with it. | ||
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Ghostcom
Denmark4783 Posts
On August 21 2018 08:24 Sermokala wrote: The same for wind chill that gets to -20F or knee deep snow. We literally cycle in that weather in Denmark. The US just has a very carcentric society neatly examplified by the average americans relation with driving distance compared to that of Europeans who flinch at the thought of a 3 hour drive. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18285 Posts
On August 21 2018 10:13 ShoCkeyy wrote: It's not just 100F degree heat, it's also the humidity on top of it. People choose to drive in comfort for a min, than walk for five minutes around here. You make it sound like the US has worse weather than elsewhere. Rather than just worse city planning. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8074 Posts
On August 21 2018 14:03 Ghostcom wrote: We literally cycle in that weather in Denmark. The US just has a very carcentric society neatly examplified by the average americans relation with driving distance compared to that of Europeans who flinch at the thought of a 3 hour drive. I think outside vacations i get into a car something like once a month and I don’t have a licence. On August 21 2018 16:01 Acrofales wrote: You make it sound like the US has worse weather than elsewhere. Rather than just worse city planning. And simply worse lifestyle. People here walk everywhere because it’s nice and the overweight / obesity rate is tiny. The idea that walking to places is tedious is a highly mysterious one to me. | ||
zatic
Zurich15365 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18285 Posts
On August 21 2018 16:36 zatic wrote: Distances in pretty much anywhere in the US are much, much longer. Anything but taking a car is just not possible. Even if it was a lifestyle choice it's not like people could now decide to change anything about it if anywhere you need to go to is a 20-30min car ride away. Distances between places being long doesn't really have much to do with city planning though. I've lived in Brazil. First I lived in Porto Alegre, which is planned with pretty good public transport and shops and businesses mixed up in the residential areas. I didn't own a car. Then in Campinas. When we arrived, the plan was to find an apartment, and then figure out if we needed a car (everybody had told us that we would). Turns out that we couldn't even do apartment hunting reasonably without a car. We ended up living in one of the few neighborhoods where you could actually walk to things and my girlfriend walked to work, we had a supermarket nearby, and we had some good bars within walking distance too. But we still needed that car. I needed it to get to work, and we needed it to get anywhere outside our compact (and safe) neighborhood. I agree change won't be fast. But cities could make an effort, and people should not just blame it on the weather. Your weather is no better or worse than places where daily life happens fine for many people without a car. For freezing winter's, there's Scandinavia. For hot summers there's Spain and Italy, or for that matter, Porto Alegre, which I'm sure can rival anywhere in the US for heat and humidity. | ||
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brian
United States9641 Posts
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