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Uldridge
Belgium5003 Posts
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KwarK
United States43426 Posts
On August 20 2018 04:18 sc-darkness wrote: Which people? I'm sure the top 1% are better with Trump even if I dislike him. He's cut taxes. You can't get much better than that if you're the top 1%. Having said that, I don't know if the stock market offset that since it went down quite a few times. Blue collar workers in the flyover states who have been left behind by the economic shifts since the 1960s. The housing crash fucked a lot of them pretty hard, and the subsequent recovery didn't help them much. The economic has been on a massive surge for the last decade but their reality has been different. Trump has provided more of the same, and regardless of whether or not he's "their kind of guy", they're still eating shit. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45203 Posts
On August 20 2018 05:23 Uldridge wrote: He's obviously talking about how someone's version of the truth might not in fact be the actual truth because of warped sense of reality due to circumstance. People misremember things all the time. Nothing to see here tbh. But that's really not okay. We need to draw a line somewhere. When Trump looks at his crowd size and receives data that it's smaller than Obama's, it's not okay for him to say he has the biggest inauguration crowd size of all time. It's not a mistake or justifiably warped; it's this weird post-modernist "truth is less about what comports with reality and more about how I feel" agenda... And it's crap. | ||
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JonnyBNoHo
United States6277 Posts
On August 20 2018 05:23 Uldridge wrote: He's obviously talking about how someone's version of the truth might not in fact be the actual truth because of warped sense of reality due to circumstance. People misremember things all the time. Nothing to see here tbh. Yes and no.The context is perjury. The example he gave would carry zero perjury risk, so it's unclear what he's actually talking about. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium5003 Posts
It feels like that's what he was arguing, nothing more, nothing less. Sure, he might be committing perjury by recounting his account of the truth, but that's too bad for him I guess LOL If he wants to be delusional, let him, maybe it'll bite him in the ass for once. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15726 Posts
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
On August 20 2018 05:12 Toadesstern wrote: tbf "truth isn't truth" is how I personally imagine most lawyers thinking though. Perhaps not outright saying it but def thinking that way. Giuliani isn't really Trump's lawyer, he's just a shameless PR spokesperson who constantly tries to muddy the water or get ahead of stories. I dunno why people still listen to him, he's got nothing worthwhile to say and networks only bring him on to boost ratings since people are still watching him talk his garbage. I don't think he's good at manipulating the court of public opinion. What they mean by "truth isn't truth" is the same as Gingrich saying "facts don't matter, the feeling is what counts." | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On August 20 2018 07:02 Mohdoo wrote: Perjury isn't an honor system. People can be convicted of it whether they agree they did it or not. It is still really toxic because it infests the minds of impressionable voters. A lot of hive mind political zombies hear that stuff and believe it is 100% true. It is very socially destructive. I don't know what you're talking about here but it seems pretty straightforward for the president to go answer questions because, as he says, he did nothing wrong and there is nothing to any of this. | ||
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Dromar
United States2145 Posts
On August 20 2018 11:04 Doodsmack wrote: I don't know what you're talking about here but it seems pretty straightforward for the president to go answer questions because, as he says, he did nothing wrong and there is nothing to any of this. Agree. Even if he gets caught with something, he's already convinced his followers that it's rigged. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5296 Posts
you need not convince Trump's base of anything, just change/supress the lib. neo's. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On August 20 2018 07:02 Mohdoo wrote: Perjury isn't an honor system. People can be convicted of it whether they agree they did it or not. It is still really toxic because it infests the minds of impressionable voters. A lot of hive mind political zombies hear that stuff and believe it is 100% true. It is very socially destructive. Umm. That's how law works period. I might not agree I committed a crime, but if the law says otherwise, I'm a criminal. In fact, that's what a plea of Not Guilty literally means. What point were you getting at there? I think it maybe didn't come through. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8230 Posts
On August 20 2018 08:13 Womwomwom wrote: Giuliani isn't really Trump's lawyer, he's just a shameless PR spokesperson who constantly tries to muddy the water or get ahead of stories. I dunno why people still listen to him, he's got nothing worthwhile to say and networks only bring him on to boost ratings since people are still watching him talk his garbage. I don't think he's good at manipulating the court of public opinion. What they mean by "truth isn't truth" is the same as Gingrich saying "facts don't matter, the feeling is what counts." We listen to him because while he might not be the person who actually does any lawyering in the white house, he's still "Trump's lawyer". Which means that his words represent Trump and his account of how things happened. It's absolutely hilarious watching Giuliani desperately digging the hole in which Trump is going to be buried every time he opens his mouth and alters the story Trump has been repeating until then. The latest he blurted was that the Trump tower meeting was actually intended to be about finding dirt on Hillary from the beginning (to the shock of everyone with eyes, ears and a brain...) | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
Will he be guilty of all counts at this point? Just some? None? Hung jury? people who get trail things, please explain | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18178 Posts
On August 20 2018 23:45 IyMoon wrote: So we are on day three on the Manafort jury deliberation. What do people think is going on? Will he be guilty of all counts at this point? Just some? None? Hung jury? people who get trail things, please explain https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/8/19/17752532/paul-manafort-jury-decision-judge-ellis That seems to say that for a complex case like this it is (1) not that long and (2) just means the jury is going through things methodologically and conscientiously. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
I know folks think that he is obviously guilty, but that isn’t how you would treat it if you were on the jury(if you could make it onto the jury). Folks take jury duty very seriously once they are on a jury and don’t rush to a verdict. I doubt they will get him on every count. But it will be more than enough to have him in jail for the rest of his life. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On August 20 2018 21:59 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Mueller is now 'discredited and disgraced' and the people on the team are 'angry democrat thugs' according to the President of the United States. How long before they will 'enemies of the people' like the press? Seems to be the strongest attack on Mueller yet. Trump seems very triggered by the NYT story on McGahn. He knows theres an obstruction referral coming. Coincidentally, every single politician ever charged with a crime or investigated has called it a partisan witch hunt. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
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