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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24033 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-02-19 23:47:13
February 19 2026 20:06 GMT
#110181
On February 20 2026 00:06 LightSpectra wrote:
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On February 19 2026 12:13 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 19 2026 10:13 LightSpectra wrote:
On February 19 2026 09:05 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 19 2026 08:45 LightSpectra wrote:
On February 19 2026 07:05 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 19 2026 06:09 LightSpectra wrote:
On February 19 2026 05:57 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 19 2026 05:31 Jankisa wrote:
On February 19 2026 04:24 GreenHorizons wrote:
[quote]"Go on one of these" meaning? Pointing out that the "left wing" (they're centrist capitalist on a real political spectrum) of the capitalist party are not "the same" as the right wing, while also pointing out they are part of the problem, not a solution?

I'll also remind you that Democrats helped lay the foundations for them to do that. Including yucking it up with the people doing it before their hubris led to the fascists expanding the longstanding violent persecution of oppressed people (some of the worst of it by Democrat controlled police departments https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/24/chicago-police-detain-americans-black-site ) in the US.

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EDIT: Republican and Democrat voters/supporters bickering over which people they should let exploit and abuse everyone for the Epstein class just means everyone (but the Epstein class) is losing. Although...

There's something I think most people have started to notice in the US, which is that there's also the "lackey class" that the economy is somewhat accommodating. It's the ~top 10% that are basically being bribed with shiny trinkets for their complicity.

https://www.marketplace.org/story/2025/09/17/top-10-of-earners-make-up-half-of-us-retail-spending

Again, you are preaching to the choir, no one disagrees that Democrats are a corporatist party who has done plenty of bad shit over the years, and will, inevitably do more.

They are still much better for me, + Show Spoiler +
the world and an average American.

They didn't start any of the relatively recent wars, they didn't start any of the trade wars and states where they govern on average have much, much better outcomes for average people.

It's incredibly obtuse and rude to keep on banging the same drum as if everyone here hasn't heard every intimate thought you have had about the Democratic party.

It's not interesting, original and it doesn't relate to the current situation and crisis that the world is dealing with.


No one fucking cares about how fucking stupid Hilary's team and Democrats were in 2016, in case you didn't check lately, it's 2026 and all the bad shit that is happening is enacted by Republican president, congress and senate.

If Democrats get some semblance of power back in the midterms and start fucking up, which they will, please come here and shit on them all you like, in the meantime, stop, you are showing incredible lack of humanity, the people in their concentration camps that are being denied meals or contact with their families, who are being beaten up, raped, killed don't give a flying fuck about what Hillary did in 2016 or if her, Bill and Trump were buddies before that.

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For fuck sake man, honestly, your brain is just as broken and fucked up as oBlade's.

I'm glad you stopped posting your tankie takes in the Russia / Ukraine thread, maybe it's time for you to do the same here until the midterms, because you are just making a fool out of yourself and annoying everyone else for no fucking reason.



The bold is really a lot of the crux of it.

People refuse to see how we couldn't have gotten Trump/Republicans (or the Dynasty Trusts) without the Clintons and Biden/Democrats (and Delaware).

"No one fucking cares about how fucking stupid Hilary's team and Democrats were in 2016" or have been for decades, or how Biden's/Democrats hubris got us Trump 2.0 (among countless other issues) or the people that have suffered/died as a consequence, because for all the problems, it's working well enough for you/them.

One funny thing is, we all know no one advocating incremental reformism through Democrat electoralism will accept that when their family ends up on the chopping block.


Democrats don't win election -> people suffer -> "why didn't Democrats stop this?" -> refuse to vote for Democrats because they can't do anything while they don't have power -> Democrats don't win election

ad infinitum


Except in reality...

Black people suffer from a racial wealth gap-> Black people ensure Democrats win elections -> Democrats don't improve that wealth gap-> Black people continue voting for them their whole lives at rates unparalleled by any other groups -> Democrats lose to fascists because of their hubris -> The transition from mass disruptive politics to electoral incorporation helped stabilize a racial wealth order that remains largely intact.

Movements fought for change, flooded the streets, and demanded justice, and the system pulled them in, calmed the unrest, and left who owns what largely the same. People won legal rights and political seats, but real economic power stayed concentrated at the top.

Meanwhile, the rules of capitalism shifted to protect wealth. Investments are taxed less than work. Finance operates with fewer limits. Housing became a vehicle for family wealth. Unions weakened. Dynasty trusts let the rich pass assets across generations with minimal interference.

These are not isolated policies. Together, they reinforce class power. Bringing movements into electoral politics stabilized the system without redistributing wealth. This has happened under both Democratic and Republican administrations, showing that representation alone rarely changes the underlying distribution of wealth or addresses structural inequality. Inequality, including racial wealth gaps, continues to reproduce itself.

The result is a bipartisan system where wealth persists across generations, while labor and social movements remain episodic and are absorbed by the system to preserve existing power.


In reality, Democrats have had power for less than half of the past 50 years, and in terms of years where they had the House, Senate, and White House, it's been less than Republicans.
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You're blaming a world largely created by Republicans on "the uniparty" and kneecapping the only people preventing them from making racial wealth gap even worse.


Except when Democrats held large majorities in the house and senate, while holding the presidency, they finally passed their greatest achievement in the last 50 years.

A more right-wing version of Nixoncare...
Few people today would dare call President Richard Nixon a radical liberal. But 44 years ago, he proposed a health plan that went far beyond what today’s Affordable Care Act includes.


At this rate, if Democrats win big enough majorities frequently enough, we'd be lucky to look forward to Democrats and their supporters celebrating finally building Trump's wall and implementing his immigration policy in 50 years.

EDIT:
Data question: from worst to best, how is the racial wealth gap looking in solid blue, purple, and solid red states?


It's a more complicated question than it seems, but basically: Blue states provide higher potential income but have the worst wealth gaps due to high barriers to entry (housing/cost of living). Red states provide lower potential income but have the best wealth equality because they offer an easier path to middle-class stability (homeownership/PPP).

The country's moved overwhelmingly to the economic right since Nixon. + Show Spoiler +
Voters rewarded Reagan and Clinton with huge mandates because they liked what they saw. Obama was called a radical socialist despite being rather moderate, but by winning on a moderate platform he was able to expand Medicaid to 25 million people that didn't have it before, as well as prevent people with pre-existing conditions from being summarily killed by society.

If you want people to vote for more left-wing candidates, you need to convince people that left wing policies are preferable. What you're actually doing is encouraging detached apathy, which benefits the conservative status quo.
You are right to point out that Democrats (in their primaries) chose to help move the country to the right since Nixon

That was an intention/consequence of efforts by Democrats like Biden 50 years ago, the other "New Democrats" like Clinton, and the rest of the "left flank" of the Epstein class/lackeys that came along in the 80's , 90's, 00's.

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lol. Every time I try to take you seriously for more than a paragraph you insist on driving your clown car back into the circus tent. I guess you just can't help yourself.

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On February 19 2026 22:52 oBlade wrote:
AOC would be a great choice if she can get past the juggernaut of Kamala in the primaries. Just the thought of her being president is enough to get people out to vote. But she and Kamala are so equal and comparable in their level of competence that it's hard to even decide who should be at the top of the ticket between them. They'd have to flip a coin maybe. Kamala bringing the executive experience and an actual law degree, AOC bringing legislative experience. Either way the prospect of an all-female ticket would be the most terrifying and threatening thing to Republicans that Democrats should definitely do if they want to win.


Maybe AOC could still win some Republican votes if she starts trafficking children right now? Probably a futile strategy though, whoever the 2028 Republican candidate's going to be has probably been fucking kids since before AOC was born.

My apologies for briefly interrupting the relentless shitposting with Sartres, despite you all ostensibly knowing better. A clownish consort indeed.

I'll mention again that AOC has her problems, but she's the only person they're polling I'd consider voting for. If Democrats want my vote, they need to make sure she's their nominee, otherwise they are betting on other ("centrist") voters (which is their prerogative).
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1416 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-02-19 20:38:07
February 19 2026 20:32 GMT
#110182
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27000 Posts
February 19 2026 21:44 GMT
#110183
On February 20 2026 01:30 KwarK wrote:
Ah yes, anyone who identifies areas that need improvement hates western civilization. Whereas anyone who refuses to acknowledge problems and doubles down on them loves America. It’s not a cult though.

It’s just the standard centrist position really
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
1832 Posts
February 19 2026 21:58 GMT
#110184
On February 20 2026 04:55 pmh wrote:
Rubio isnt a great candidate. He already lost a primary.
But who else , He is the strongest candidate the republicans have.
Vance seems unlikely to me. Bondi or Noam maybe.
Non of the other males in the administration comes even close.

That would be one way to get a female president , it has to happen one day.
Noam or Bondi vs Aoc or Harris. It would not even be a bad idea but i doubt either party would he willing to commit to this.

DeSantis will likely show up again. Depending on how bad it goes, never trumpers like Paul Ryan or Massé could get a surge.

Very hard to handicap that race right now because Trump can change everything in a day or with a late night post.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11535 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-02-20 00:38:59
February 20 2026 00:23 GMT
#110185
@oBlade
You are missing the forest for the trees. Yes, I tried appealing to the self interest of American jobs, but the heart of the question which you did not address is why are NATO members suddenly questioning their military contracts with the US? Why is the Gripen suddenly being considered over the F-35? The quality of the product has not changed.

saying Putin would not have attacked Ukraine if Trump were in office.

And we're just going to take that hypothetical as fact?

In a world in which one bad phone call with Trump can raise tariffs from 30% to 39%, do you think political leaders are giving their honest thoughts 'on public record'. Was Carney giving a compliment when he called Trump a 'transformative president'?

This is just repetition of Trump's bragging (do you think anyone engages in flattery with Trump? Or, in your view, are most compliments towards Trump genuine? Besides the Orban crowd). But who cares about what he could have done if only he had been in charge, we can see what he does with real wars in the real world when he's actually in charge. What's he up to now- a dozen fake wars stopped by the Dear Leader? But the one real war that he supposedly could have prevented just by being President Trump, and could lock in a peace deal before even getting office, or within 24 hours, or heck his first thirty days... it's been a full year. And where's he at? He's not still at the starting line; he hasn't even found the starting line.

Pitter patter, he best get at 'er.

The US is stronger so NATO is stronger.

Even if true (is the US stronger because Trump likes to fling out missiles and kidnap tinpot dictators?), that does nothing to prove NATO is stronger as the US could conscript 10% of their population into the army and switch to wartime production making 'US is stronger true,' but if at the same time NATO is dissolved, the first doesn't prove the second. And now UK is saying US can't their airfields to bomb Iran- regardless of whether you think Iran should be bombed again, it doesn't seem like the NATO members are on the same page.

Furthermore, with NATO spending increasing writ large, you would need to demonstrate that this is occurring because of Trump rather than despite Trump as there are one or two mildly important factors that could also be in play.

re: Mean Girls
Do you, a centrist, believe threatening annexation, military action, or a hostile buy out of fellow allies territory is the norm for strong allies who are becoming stronger? Can you point to some equivalent precedent within the last century or so? Or is this Trump exceptionalism?

More importantly do you, a centrist, believe Russia/China had serious and imminent ambitions to conquering Greenland that was protected by NATO (and therefore the US military) and that to reopen old airbases requires US ownership? You would sign off on the whole Denmark thing as an example of good statecraft by Trump?

And yeah, the centrist is sane-washing Trump forgetting about Afghanistan. Gotcha.
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18315 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-02-20 00:51:32
February 20 2026 00:47 GMT
#110186
https://www.reuters.com/world/us-plans-online-portal-bypass-content-bans-europe-elsewhere-2026-02-18/

Is this an idiotic idea executed by troglodyte nincompoops? Or is there a reason a country that wants to block access to hate speech won't just block freedom.gov too? I'm really trying to figure out what makes this different from any other proxy out there besides the fancy .gov domain name, but I can't really think of any.
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States2715 Posts
February 20 2026 01:23 GMT
#110187
Helping Europeans pirate university textbooks is not where I'd prefer my tax dollars to go, but it's not even in the top 100 dumbest things Republicans have been using them for, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20164 Posts
February 20 2026 03:46 GMT
#110188
On February 20 2026 01:28 oBlade wrote:
Jankisa is already whitewashing Trump in preparation for Rubio's ascendancy the same way Romney and Bush were rehabilitated in hindsight after Trump won. I mean Trump may have been a Nazi... but at least he had more charisma and was a better debater than Rubio, who Jankisa believes he humiliated. Trump is one thing but Rubio? That would just be beyond the pale. Fascinating.

I am far more likely to support a politician whose congenital ambition is dismantling communist and enemy regimes than one whose adopted hobby is opposing Western civilization. When push comes to shove most Americans still agree especially when "Not Trump" won't be on the ballot anymore to motivate those who otherwise wouldn't participate in politics (i.e., people like Jankisa who actually have US suffrage). The Democrats have ingeniously made their own bed and before they have a chance to lie in it, it's going to retire, taking them with it.


You've gone from objectively bad takes to just dementia at this point (ironically similar to Trump)
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2356 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-02-20 04:28:08
February 20 2026 04:13 GMT
#110189
oops

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:

oopsy...

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my boi Lieu with that democratic PARRHESIA!
ἡ τῆς Νεμέσεως τάξις
dyhb
Profile Joined August 2021
United States394 Posts
February 20 2026 05:02 GMT
#110190
On February 20 2026 13:13 XenOsky wrote:
oops

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f13HINY_6RY
:

oopsy...

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxfcPke0QVE


my boi Lieu with that democratic PARRHESIA!
He should really know better than to cite, credulously, someone that said Hillary Clinton did the Oklahoma City bombing (limo driver) and lawsuits that were thrown out of court or dropped prior to trial. But I guess it's too tempting to get viral clips on social media, and most won't check up on his claims ... about other's claims...
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6223 Posts
February 20 2026 05:03 GMT
#110191
On February 20 2026 09:23 Falling wrote:
@oBlade
You are missing the forest for the trees. Yes, I tried appealing to the self interest of American jobs, but the heart of the question which you did not address is why are NATO members suddenly questioning their military contracts with the US? Why is the Gripen suddenly being considered over the F-35? The quality of the product has not changed.

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saying Putin would not have attacked Ukraine if Trump were in office.

And we're just going to take that hypothetical as fact?

In a world in which one bad phone call with Trump can raise tariffs from 30% to 39%, do you think political leaders are giving their honest thoughts 'on public record'. Was Carney giving a compliment when he called Trump a 'transformative president'?

Boris Johnson was retired by the time he made that statement, no?

You use the passive voice I don't know what you're talking about. "Being considered." I looked up the Gripen it's been in service for 3 decades. It's "suddenly being considered." By who? Who are you talking about? Like legitimately I don't think every jet has to be the F35 and I don't think every airliner has to be a Boeing.

My idea of a strong US is mandatory civil or military service and factories making 10,000 A-10 Warthogs. I don't know if I've mentioned this before. Please buy Gripens if they're the better choice. Please do not buy shitty overpriced jets just because they're made in the US if your needs are equally met by F16s. If you personally think the F35 is a miracle of nature that only an apocalyptic breakdown of alliances would cause someone to buy something other than it, explain. I'm not there yet. What is so good and important about the F35? What's wrong with buying a Swedish NATO jet? Am I supposed to be angry about something you probably aren't even angry about?

On February 20 2026 09:23 Falling wrote:
This is just repetition of Trump's bragging (do you think anyone engages in flattery with Trump? Or, in your view, are most compliments towards Trump genuine? Besides the Orban crowd). But who cares about what he could have done if only he had been in charge, we can see what he does with real wars in the real world when he's actually in charge. What's he up to now- a dozen fake wars stopped by the Dear Leader? But the one real war that he supposedly could have prevented just by being President Trump, and could lock in a peace deal before even getting office, or within 24 hours, or heck his first thirty days... it's been a full year. And where's he at? He's not still at the starting line; he hasn't even found the starting line.

It turns out stopping wars is harder than preventing wars but that's not going to make me against stopping wars or preventing wars.

On February 20 2026 09:23 Falling wrote:
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The US is stronger so NATO is stronger.

Even if true (is the US stronger because Trump likes to fling out missiles and kidnap tinpot dictators?), that does nothing to prove NATO is stronger as the US could conscript 10% of their population into the army and switch to wartime production making 'US is stronger true,' but if at the same time NATO is dissolved, the first doesn't prove the second. And now UK is saying US can't their airfields to bomb Iran- regardless of whether you think Iran should be bombed again, it doesn't seem like the NATO members are on the same page.

Yes. If the US were stronger by draftmaxxing but NATO stopped existing, it would be different than if the US were stronger while being the main part of NATO while NATO continued to exist. So you're right. NATO, which exists now, has to exist in order for the statement "The US is stronger so NATO is stronger" to mean something. I thought that went without saying but thanks for keeping us honest.

What do you think the current wartime production capacity of the US is if the DPA were fully invoked? Enough to protect the Western hemisphere or not? I think every country needs stronger industry especially great powers (i.e. the Low Countries can have a break).

On February 20 2026 09:23 Falling wrote:
Furthermore, with NATO spending increasing writ large, you would need to demonstrate that this is occurring because of Trump rather than despite Trump as there are one or two mildly important factors that could also be in play.

I would need to do that if my goal were convincing you of something at all costs, it isn't, you asked me what I think but your view isn't the "default" either.

Despite is a brave word.

If spending is going up despite Trump, then the effect of Trump should be to lower spending or keep it the same, in a vacuum. But that would be outweighed by the increased spending motivated by, say, the heightened threat perceived by the war in Ukraine and the need to replenish munitions and materiel sold and donated to Ukraine. So in what way do you think Trump has the effect of stagnating or driving down NATO spending?

On February 20 2026 09:23 Falling wrote:
re: Mean Girls
Do you, a centrist, believe threatening annexation, military action, or a hostile buy out of fellow allies territory is the norm for strong allies who are becoming stronger? Can you point to some equivalent precedent within the last century or so? Or is this Trump exceptionalism?

More importantly do you, a centrist, believe Russia/China had serious and imminent ambitions to conquering Greenland that was protected by NATO (and therefore the US military) and that to reopen old airbases requires US ownership? You would sign off on the whole Denmark thing as an example of good statecraft by Trump?

Really easy answer. I would go so far as to say I believe neither Russia nor China nor the United States of America had serious and imminent ambitions to conquer Greenland.

And I think the example you just brought up about the UK proves the inherent value of owning the land over just having a "you can like have a base if you want or use our base bro" agreement.

On February 20 2026 12:46 decafchicken wrote:
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On February 20 2026 01:28 oBlade wrote:
Jankisa is already whitewashing Trump in preparation for Rubio's ascendancy the same way Romney and Bush were rehabilitated in hindsight after Trump won. I mean Trump may have been a Nazi... but at least he had more charisma and was a better debater than Rubio, who Jankisa believes he humiliated. Trump is one thing but Rubio? That would just be beyond the pale. Fascinating.

I am far more likely to support a politician whose congenital ambition is dismantling communist and enemy regimes than one whose adopted hobby is opposing Western civilization. When push comes to shove most Americans still agree especially when "Not Trump" won't be on the ballot anymore to motivate those who otherwise wouldn't participate in politics (i.e., people like Jankisa who actually have US suffrage). The Democrats have ingeniously made their own bed and before they have a chance to lie in it, it's going to retire, taking them with it.


You've gone from objectively bad takes to just dementia at this point (ironically similar to Trump)

Chicken is not caffeinated to begin with.
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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11535 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-02-20 16:27:56
February 20 2026 08:36 GMT
#110192

You use the passive voice I don't know what you're talking about. "Being considered." I looked up the Gripen it's been in service for 3 decades. It's "suddenly being considered." By who? Who are you talking about? Like legitimately I don't think every jet has to be the F35 and I don't think every airliner has to be a Boeing.

Canada? Portugal? Germany was humming and hawing but is probably back on.

You keep jumping to "I don't care" but I'm not asking for whether you care or not, I'm asking if you can see a causal link with why allied countries who were committed to US contracts suddenly gave a pause to them. They might even carry on buying them like Poland because it's a fighter that works. But I'm asking for the why.

I'll give you a hint. It began with US supplies in Ukraine.

Really easy answer. I would go so far as to say I believe neither Russia nor China nor the United States of America had serious and imminent ambitions to conquer Greenland.

So-do-you-think-that-was-an-example- of-Trump's-good-statecraft. Is that a norm for strong allies getting stronger?

Despite is a brave word.

Whatever. Could be 'regardless' or 'no connection whatsoever', I don't care.
Point is whether or not you can actually demonstrate that Because Trump, other countries have spent more and are as likely to coordinate actions.

Because, yes we have now established the very basics:
If no NATO, then US Mighty has no bearing on the strength of NATO.

So let's walk through the next step.

If NATO is in conflict with each other and unwilling to support each other, is NATO strong, even if US Mighty and every country in it is ramping up their armies for WWIII?

edit.
You mentioned me acting like I had a gotcha question. To clarify, my 'gotcha' was a sarcastic 'understood' not that I thought I trapped you with a gotcha question.

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pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1416 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-02-20 15:36:42
February 20 2026 11:16 GMT
#110193
If Trump wasnt there to force us to pay more we would not voluntarily start to pay more no.Trump definitely made us spend more on paper. How much the difference in reality will be remains to be seen. Probably not that big but not zero either.

But nato is more or less gone anyway it doesnt matter anymore. The part we are in now is the divorce part its not the counseling part trying to find some common ground. There is still worse things to come i think , probably after the midterms.
misirlou
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal3304 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-02-20 13:53:56
February 20 2026 13:34 GMT
#110194
how do you debate someone that unknowingly lies to their opponent because they've lied to themselves so much they started to believe it?
The guy actually believes he's a centrist. What hope is there to make him see your points if he can't even look at the mirror and determine what he himself is.

Cause it's either the above or he's just plain trolling /shrug
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States2715 Posts
February 20 2026 13:39 GMT
#110195
On February 20 2026 14:02 dyhb wrote:
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my boi Lieu with that democratic PARRHESIA!
He should really know better than to cite, credulously, someone that said Hillary Clinton did the Oklahoma City bombing (limo driver) and lawsuits that were thrown out of court or dropped prior to trial. But I guess it's too tempting to get viral clips on social media, and most won't check up on his claims ... about other's claims...


Republicans don't believe in things that have colossal amounts of evidence like anthropogenic climate change. Like, virtually all of the allegations in the Epstein files are more substantiated than hydroxychloroquine treating COVID. Really weird time to suddenly decide you want to have a fact-based worldview.
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Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
1832 Posts
February 20 2026 15:13 GMT
#110196
Trump lost the Supreme court decision on his tariffs. Time for corps to sue for a bunch of money back, and them not pass the savings on to the people.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22420 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-02-20 15:25:32
February 20 2026 15:23 GMT
#110197
Well guess a twitter meltdown is coming in 3...2...1...

And yes another massive hole in the budget as companies will try to claim back ~175 billion in now illegal tariffs.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States2715 Posts
February 20 2026 15:26 GMT
#110198
On February 21 2026 00:13 Billyboy wrote:
Trump lost the Supreme court decision on his tariffs. Time for corps to sue for a bunch of money back, and them not pass the savings on to the people.


Damn, all those people that bribed him are going to ask for their shit back now.
2006 Shinhan Bank OSL Season 3 was the greatest tournament of all time
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44072 Posts
February 20 2026 15:27 GMT
#110199
175b is a rounding error in the Trump deficit system.
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22374 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-02-20 15:39:20
February 20 2026 15:29 GMT
#110200
On February 20 2026 09:47 Acrofales wrote:
https://www.reuters.com/world/us-plans-online-portal-bypass-content-bans-europe-elsewhere-2026-02-18/

Is this an idiotic idea executed by troglodyte nincompoops? Or is there a reason a country that wants to block access to hate speech won't just block freedom.gov too? I'm really trying to figure out what makes this different from any other proxy out there besides the fancy .gov domain name, but I can't really think of any.


A big chunk of the tech billionaires business model is exporting misinformation to other countries and get away with it, or recruit people who do it for them here. So it‘s unsurprising as they are besties with Drumpf and each other.

The EU is already taking steps to counter it but it‘s very slow. So instructing other people on how to self preserve against the destructive influences from overseas is now an important task for individuals who are aware.

To me it seems obvious that Trump works for an entity that got him by the balls.
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