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On June 02 2025 02:09 Simberto wrote:
Why are they still so focused on Biden? He is not president, nor will he ever be again. I doubt that he will ever play a relevant part in politics again.
Is it just about having to have an enemy that they already know, or is it because he won an election against them once, and they just cannot deal with the fact that big orange lost?
The word "so" is doing all the heavy lifting in that sentence. There's always going to be some focus. Having a memory longer than a year is normal. Especially because Trump is specifically undoing and reversing Biden era policies. And because especially his last year was a scandalous case of geriatric puppeteering that needs to be kept alive in the public's memory until there is a reckoning for everyone who tricked themselves into running cover for him. (This thread told me he was the smartest president ever and he was healthier than Trump.) You have to accept there is an amount of mention of the past that is not "focused on" level. Like Bush finishes his 2nd term, Obama gets into office, what's the line, "Who cares if Bush passed the PATRIOT Act? He is not president, nor will he ever be again. I doubt that he will ever play a relevant part in politics again." Bygones are bygones right. If people had done that and just wiped their memories and forgotten Obama might have extended the PATRIOT Act himself for all we know.
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On June 03 2025 04:41 oBlade wrote:
And because especially his last year was a scandalous case of geriatric puppeteering that needs to be kept alive in the public's memory until there is a reckoning for everyone who tricked themselves into running cover for him.
This statement would carry a lot more weight if Trump wasn't another elderly man that doesn't know the contents of the bills that he's signing.
In a way you're right, you'd hope after these 2 that the American public would stop asking grandpa's well past retirement age to do some of the more complex and demanding jobs available.
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Regarding what my point is, it is that this forum has the same double standards as ever.
On June 02 2025 18:54 Jockmcplop wrote:You could write the book on deliberately ignoring context.
The only context here is that you dont like one guy, while dont mind the other one.
On June 02 2025 19:26 Jankisa wrote:
Jesus, guy, take the L, how much of an Elon fanboy do you need to be, first you tried to push "leftists are the real nazis" in order to shield him now it's on to "see, a Democrat did the same thing a week ago why aren't you outraged".
It does say a lot that these are the things that you Elon/Trump enjoyers come to these threads with, I guess actually arguing for the insane shit they've been doing is kind of impossible so all you are left is "technically Trump is not a convicted rapist" and "actually Elon did a common wave that everyone does".
"how much of an Elon fanboy do you need to be", "It does say a lot that these are the things that you Elon/Trump enjoyers" - some sources on that, or just a gut feeling?
"first you tried to push "leftists are the real nazis" " Zoolander school was actually great idea. What I was saying, was that leftists can be nazis. There is a difference.
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It doesn't take a lot of reading of this thread to understand what kind of media diet you are having and what kind of things you come here to talk about.
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On June 03 2025 18:01 Razyda wrote:Regarding what my point is, it is that this forum has the same double standards as ever. Show nested quote +On June 02 2025 18:54 Jockmcplop wrote:You could write the book on deliberately ignoring context.
The only context here is that you dont like one guy, while dont mind the other one.
Show nested quote +On June 02 2025 19:26 Jankisa wrote:
Jesus, guy, take the L, how much of an Elon fanboy do you need to be, first you tried to push "leftists are the real nazis" in order to shield him now it's on to "see, a Democrat did the same thing a week ago why aren't you outraged".
It does say a lot that these are the things that you Elon/Trump enjoyers come to these threads with, I guess actually arguing for the insane shit they've been doing is kind of impossible so all you are left is "technically Trump is not a convicted rapist" and "actually Elon did a common wave that everyone does". "how much of an Elon fanboy do you need to be", "It does say a lot that these are the things that you Elon/Trump enjoyers" - some sources on that, or just a gut feeling? "first you tried to push "leftists are the real nazis" " Zoolander school was actually great idea. What I was saying, was that leftists can be nazis. There is a difference.
This isn't true.
The context is, the week after his NAZI SALUTE, ELon Musk posted 14 American flags at 14:!4 ina blatantly obvious reference to Hitler's 14 words, so revered by Nazis the world over.
That is the context, and it provides background which allows you to easily see that this is the kind of guy who would do a Nazi salute, which he definitely did.
You can ignore that context and keep pretending it doesn't exist if you like, but it makes your argument look incredibly weak and petty.
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On June 03 2025 19:50 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2025 18:01 Razyda wrote:Regarding what my point is, it is that this forum has the same double standards as ever. On June 02 2025 18:54 Jockmcplop wrote:You could write the book on deliberately ignoring context.
The only context here is that you dont like one guy, while dont mind the other one.
On June 02 2025 19:26 Jankisa wrote:
Jesus, guy, take the L, how much of an Elon fanboy do you need to be, first you tried to push "leftists are the real nazis" in order to shield him now it's on to "see, a Democrat did the same thing a week ago why aren't you outraged".
It does say a lot that these are the things that you Elon/Trump enjoyers come to these threads with, I guess actually arguing for the insane shit they've been doing is kind of impossible so all you are left is "technically Trump is not a convicted rapist" and "actually Elon did a common wave that everyone does". "how much of an Elon fanboy do you need to be", "It does say a lot that these are the things that you Elon/Trump enjoyers" - some sources on that, or just a gut feeling? "first you tried to push "leftists are the real nazis" " Zoolander school was actually great idea. What I was saying, was that leftists can be nazis. There is a difference. This isn't true. The context is, the week after his NAZI SALUTE, ELon Musk posted 14 American flags at 14:!4 ina blatantly obvious reference to Hitler's 14 words, so revered by Nazis the world over. That is the context, and it provides background which allows you to easily see that this is the kind of guy who would do a Nazi salute, which he definitely did. You can ignore that context and keep pretending it doesn't exist if you like, but it makes your argument look incredibly weak and petty.
Remind me please (I may be wrong), but did Musk condemnation here started right after he performed nazi salute, or only week after, when he did 14 flags staff?
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On June 03 2025 19:57 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2025 19:50 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 03 2025 18:01 Razyda wrote:Regarding what my point is, it is that this forum has the same double standards as ever. On June 02 2025 18:54 Jockmcplop wrote:You could write the book on deliberately ignoring context.
The only context here is that you dont like one guy, while dont mind the other one.
On June 02 2025 19:26 Jankisa wrote:
Jesus, guy, take the L, how much of an Elon fanboy do you need to be, first you tried to push "leftists are the real nazis" in order to shield him now it's on to "see, a Democrat did the same thing a week ago why aren't you outraged".
It does say a lot that these are the things that you Elon/Trump enjoyers come to these threads with, I guess actually arguing for the insane shit they've been doing is kind of impossible so all you are left is "technically Trump is not a convicted rapist" and "actually Elon did a common wave that everyone does". "how much of an Elon fanboy do you need to be", "It does say a lot that these are the things that you Elon/Trump enjoyers" - some sources on that, or just a gut feeling? "first you tried to push "leftists are the real nazis" " Zoolander school was actually great idea. What I was saying, was that leftists can be nazis. There is a difference. This isn't true. The context is, the week after his NAZI SALUTE, ELon Musk posted 14 American flags at 14:!4 ina blatantly obvious reference to Hitler's 14 words, so revered by Nazis the world over. That is the context, and it provides background which allows you to easily see that this is the kind of guy who would do a Nazi salute, which he definitely did. You can ignore that context and keep pretending it doesn't exist if you like, but it makes your argument look incredibly weak and petty. Remind me please (I may be wrong), but did Musk condemnation here started right after he performed nazi salute, or only week after, when he did 14 flags staff?
I dunno, probably straight away.
In this discussion right now though, the context is there, so if that condemnation began right away, Musk went on to prove those people right, and arguing now that it wasn't a Nazi Salute is arguing something that has already been proven wrong.
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On June 03 2025 19:59 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2025 19:57 Razyda wrote:On June 03 2025 19:50 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 03 2025 18:01 Razyda wrote:Regarding what my point is, it is that this forum has the same double standards as ever. On June 02 2025 18:54 Jockmcplop wrote:You could write the book on deliberately ignoring context.
The only context here is that you dont like one guy, while dont mind the other one.
On June 02 2025 19:26 Jankisa wrote:
Jesus, guy, take the L, how much of an Elon fanboy do you need to be, first you tried to push "leftists are the real nazis" in order to shield him now it's on to "see, a Democrat did the same thing a week ago why aren't you outraged".
It does say a lot that these are the things that you Elon/Trump enjoyers come to these threads with, I guess actually arguing for the insane shit they've been doing is kind of impossible so all you are left is "technically Trump is not a convicted rapist" and "actually Elon did a common wave that everyone does". "how much of an Elon fanboy do you need to be", "It does say a lot that these are the things that you Elon/Trump enjoyers" - some sources on that, or just a gut feeling? "first you tried to push "leftists are the real nazis" " Zoolander school was actually great idea. What I was saying, was that leftists can be nazis. There is a difference. This isn't true. The context is, the week after his NAZI SALUTE, ELon Musk posted 14 American flags at 14:!4 ina blatantly obvious reference to Hitler's 14 words, so revered by Nazis the world over. That is the context, and it provides background which allows you to easily see that this is the kind of guy who would do a Nazi salute, which he definitely did. You can ignore that context and keep pretending it doesn't exist if you like, but it makes your argument look incredibly weak and petty. Remind me please (I may be wrong), but did Musk condemnation here started right after he performed nazi salute, or only week after, when he did 14 flags staff? I dunno, probably straight away. In this discussion right now though, the context is there, so if that condemnation began right away, Musk went on to prove those people right, and arguing now that it wasn't a Nazi Salute is arguing something that has already been proven wrong.
Yeah, but if the condemnation of Musk started right away and Booker not, then that is double standard.
On June 03 2025 19:36 KwarK wrote:
Leftists can't be Nazis.
Yes they can.
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On June 03 2025 20:09 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2025 19:59 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 03 2025 19:57 Razyda wrote:On June 03 2025 19:50 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 03 2025 18:01 Razyda wrote:Regarding what my point is, it is that this forum has the same double standards as ever. On June 02 2025 18:54 Jockmcplop wrote:You could write the book on deliberately ignoring context.
The only context here is that you dont like one guy, while dont mind the other one.
On June 02 2025 19:26 Jankisa wrote:
Jesus, guy, take the L, how much of an Elon fanboy do you need to be, first you tried to push "leftists are the real nazis" in order to shield him now it's on to "see, a Democrat did the same thing a week ago why aren't you outraged".
It does say a lot that these are the things that you Elon/Trump enjoyers come to these threads with, I guess actually arguing for the insane shit they've been doing is kind of impossible so all you are left is "technically Trump is not a convicted rapist" and "actually Elon did a common wave that everyone does". "how much of an Elon fanboy do you need to be", "It does say a lot that these are the things that you Elon/Trump enjoyers" - some sources on that, or just a gut feeling? "first you tried to push "leftists are the real nazis" " Zoolander school was actually great idea. What I was saying, was that leftists can be nazis. There is a difference. This isn't true. The context is, the week after his NAZI SALUTE, ELon Musk posted 14 American flags at 14:!4 ina blatantly obvious reference to Hitler's 14 words, so revered by Nazis the world over. That is the context, and it provides background which allows you to easily see that this is the kind of guy who would do a Nazi salute, which he definitely did. You can ignore that context and keep pretending it doesn't exist if you like, but it makes your argument look incredibly weak and petty. Remind me please (I may be wrong), but did Musk condemnation here started right after he performed nazi salute, or only week after, when he did 14 flags staff? I dunno, probably straight away. In this discussion right now though, the context is there, so if that condemnation began right away, Musk went on to prove those people right, and arguing now that it wasn't a Nazi Salute is arguing something that has already been proven wrong. Yeah, but if the condemnation of Musk started right away and Booker not, then that is double standard. Yes they can. One did an obvious nazi salute, twice.
The other did not, I already explained the difference to you.
They are not the same, there is no double standard
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On June 03 2025 20:09 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2025 19:59 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 03 2025 19:57 Razyda wrote:On June 03 2025 19:50 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 03 2025 18:01 Razyda wrote:Regarding what my point is, it is that this forum has the same double standards as ever. On June 02 2025 18:54 Jockmcplop wrote:You could write the book on deliberately ignoring context.
The only context here is that you dont like one guy, while dont mind the other one.
On June 02 2025 19:26 Jankisa wrote:
Jesus, guy, take the L, how much of an Elon fanboy do you need to be, first you tried to push "leftists are the real nazis" in order to shield him now it's on to "see, a Democrat did the same thing a week ago why aren't you outraged".
It does say a lot that these are the things that you Elon/Trump enjoyers come to these threads with, I guess actually arguing for the insane shit they've been doing is kind of impossible so all you are left is "technically Trump is not a convicted rapist" and "actually Elon did a common wave that everyone does". "how much of an Elon fanboy do you need to be", "It does say a lot that these are the things that you Elon/Trump enjoyers" - some sources on that, or just a gut feeling? "first you tried to push "leftists are the real nazis" " Zoolander school was actually great idea. What I was saying, was that leftists can be nazis. There is a difference. This isn't true. The context is, the week after his NAZI SALUTE, ELon Musk posted 14 American flags at 14:!4 ina blatantly obvious reference to Hitler's 14 words, so revered by Nazis the world over. That is the context, and it provides background which allows you to easily see that this is the kind of guy who would do a Nazi salute, which he definitely did. You can ignore that context and keep pretending it doesn't exist if you like, but it makes your argument look incredibly weak and petty. Remind me please (I may be wrong), but did Musk condemnation here started right after he performed nazi salute, or only week after, when he did 14 flags staff? I dunno, probably straight away. In this discussion right now though, the context is there, so if that condemnation began right away, Musk went on to prove those people right, and arguing now that it wasn't a Nazi Salute is arguing something that has already been proven wrong.
Yeah, but if the condemnation of Musk started right away and Booker not, then that is double standard.Yes they can.
No it isn't.
People are allowed to judge others based on more than one potential arm movement.You're excluding everything else and insisting that only the salute is relevant.
People judged that in all probability, Musk is the kind of guy who would give a Nazi salute, and Booker is probably not.
They judged well, as we all now know.
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On June 03 2025 20:09 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2025 19:59 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 03 2025 19:57 Razyda wrote:On June 03 2025 19:50 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 03 2025 18:01 Razyda wrote:Regarding what my point is, it is that this forum has the same double standards as ever. On June 02 2025 18:54 Jockmcplop wrote:You could write the book on deliberately ignoring context.
The only context here is that you dont like one guy, while dont mind the other one.
On June 02 2025 19:26 Jankisa wrote:
Jesus, guy, take the L, how much of an Elon fanboy do you need to be, first you tried to push "leftists are the real nazis" in order to shield him now it's on to "see, a Democrat did the same thing a week ago why aren't you outraged".
It does say a lot that these are the things that you Elon/Trump enjoyers come to these threads with, I guess actually arguing for the insane shit they've been doing is kind of impossible so all you are left is "technically Trump is not a convicted rapist" and "actually Elon did a common wave that everyone does". "how much of an Elon fanboy do you need to be", "It does say a lot that these are the things that you Elon/Trump enjoyers" - some sources on that, or just a gut feeling? "first you tried to push "leftists are the real nazis" " Zoolander school was actually great idea. What I was saying, was that leftists can be nazis. There is a difference. This isn't true. The context is, the week after his NAZI SALUTE, ELon Musk posted 14 American flags at 14:!4 ina blatantly obvious reference to Hitler's 14 words, so revered by Nazis the world over. That is the context, and it provides background which allows you to easily see that this is the kind of guy who would do a Nazi salute, which he definitely did. You can ignore that context and keep pretending it doesn't exist if you like, but it makes your argument look incredibly weak and petty. Remind me please (I may be wrong), but did Musk condemnation here started right after he performed nazi salute, or only week after, when he did 14 flags staff? I dunno, probably straight away. In this discussion right now though, the context is there, so if that condemnation began right away, Musk went on to prove those people right, and arguing now that it wasn't a Nazi Salute is arguing something that has already been proven wrong. Yeah, but if the condemnation of Musk started right away and Booker not, then that is double standard. Yes they can.
Did I just have a stroke or are you jumping back half a week because you found a picture of someone waving? A topic that was also allready brought up back then and the result was and is that you are full of shit?
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On June 03 2025 20:09 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2025 19:59 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 03 2025 19:57 Razyda wrote:On June 03 2025 19:50 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 03 2025 18:01 Razyda wrote:Regarding what my point is, it is that this forum has the same double standards as ever. On June 02 2025 18:54 Jockmcplop wrote:You could write the book on deliberately ignoring context.
The only context here is that you dont like one guy, while dont mind the other one.
On June 02 2025 19:26 Jankisa wrote:
Jesus, guy, take the L, how much of an Elon fanboy do you need to be, first you tried to push "leftists are the real nazis" in order to shield him now it's on to "see, a Democrat did the same thing a week ago why aren't you outraged".
It does say a lot that these are the things that you Elon/Trump enjoyers come to these threads with, I guess actually arguing for the insane shit they've been doing is kind of impossible so all you are left is "technically Trump is not a convicted rapist" and "actually Elon did a common wave that everyone does". "how much of an Elon fanboy do you need to be", "It does say a lot that these are the things that you Elon/Trump enjoyers" - some sources on that, or just a gut feeling? "first you tried to push "leftists are the real nazis" " Zoolander school was actually great idea. What I was saying, was that leftists can be nazis. There is a difference. This isn't true. The context is, the week after his NAZI SALUTE, ELon Musk posted 14 American flags at 14:!4 ina blatantly obvious reference to Hitler's 14 words, so revered by Nazis the world over. That is the context, and it provides background which allows you to easily see that this is the kind of guy who would do a Nazi salute, which he definitely did. You can ignore that context and keep pretending it doesn't exist if you like, but it makes your argument look incredibly weak and petty. Remind me please (I may be wrong), but did Musk condemnation here started right after he performed nazi salute, or only week after, when he did 14 flags staff? I dunno, probably straight away. In this discussion right now though, the context is there, so if that condemnation began right away, Musk went on to prove those people right, and arguing now that it wasn't a Nazi Salute is arguing something that has already been proven wrong. Yeah, but if the condemnation of Musk started right away and Booker not, then that is double standard. Yes they can.
We already had this conversation. Recently. No, they can't.
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The platforming of Nazis and boosting their reach on a social media platform you own probably has something to do with it.
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On June 03 2025 04:41 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2025 02:09 Simberto wrote:
Why are they still so focused on Biden? He is not president, nor will he ever be again. I doubt that he will ever play a relevant part in politics again.
Is it just about having to have an enemy that they already know, or is it because he won an election against them once, and they just cannot deal with the fact that big orange lost? The word "so" is doing all the heavy lifting in that sentence. There's always going to be some focus. Having a memory longer than a year is normal. Especially because Trump is specifically undoing and reversing Biden era policies. And because especially his last year was a scandalous case of geriatric puppeteering that needs to be kept alive in the public's memory until there is a reckoning for everyone who tricked themselves into running cover for him. (This thread told me he was the smartest president ever and he was healthier than Trump.) You have to accept there is an amount of mention of the past that is not "focused on" level. Like Bush finishes his 2nd term, Obama gets into office, what's the line, "Who cares if Bush passed the PATRIOT Act? He is not president, nor will he ever be again. I doubt that he will ever play a relevant part in politics again." Bygones are bygones right. If people had done that and just wiped their memories and forgotten Obama might have extended the PATRIOT Act himself for all we know.
Did they? I recall it was more of a mixed bag, and I don’t remember the smartest President line. Until it became clear Biden wasn’t just a bit in decline, but hugely, personally I’d rather take his B-C game if that’s Trump’s A game. And for me and some others mental suitability isn’t solely a cognitive function game,
Obama was not retweeting mental posts about Biden being a clone/android. Or just generally mentioning his predecessor constantly
Of course they’ll come up, I think it’s entirely reasonable in a ‘you didn’t like x my predecessor did, I’m trying to fix it.’ way.
If general political practice is like a stock 6/10, 7/10 on the invective and personal focus on past Presidents, and Trump goes to 11/10, the response of ‘yeah but what if we went to 0/10, why do you want that?’ is daft.
Point taken on those who put Biden forward and covered for him. Reasonable avenue of attack as it were. He’s not doing that, he’s bringing up the bloke who’s exited stage left who’s suffering from dementia and now cancer. The classy thing to do would be well, not that. A classier version may be ‘Hey we had our disagreements me and Joe, sorry to hear about his health but he, and more importantly the American people should never have been put in this situation. The Democrats and the Fake News MediaTM have a lot to answer for!’
Even that feels too gracious for Trump, I’m not as good at channelling him as others. But something in that vein, can’t say I’ve an issue with it at all
Keir Starmer’s Labour bring up some of the messes they inherited, only natural. If he was bringing up Boris Johnson constantly apropos of nothing, I’d be like ‘stop talking about Boris Johnson and do your bloody job!’
I suspect as with most things Trump, it’s kinda stupid, or really stupid but pretty politically effective.
Schrodinger’s Biden, simultaneously with his fingers in every pie and to blame for everything, but too dementia-ridden to do anything
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On June 03 2025 20:09 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2025 19:59 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 03 2025 19:57 Razyda wrote:On June 03 2025 19:50 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 03 2025 18:01 Razyda wrote:Regarding what my point is, it is that this forum has the same double standards as ever. On June 02 2025 18:54 Jockmcplop wrote:You could write the book on deliberately ignoring context.
The only context here is that you dont like one guy, while dont mind the other one.
On June 02 2025 19:26 Jankisa wrote:
Jesus, guy, take the L, how much of an Elon fanboy do you need to be, first you tried to push "leftists are the real nazis" in order to shield him now it's on to "see, a Democrat did the same thing a week ago why aren't you outraged".
It does say a lot that these are the things that you Elon/Trump enjoyers come to these threads with, I guess actually arguing for the insane shit they've been doing is kind of impossible so all you are left is "technically Trump is not a convicted rapist" and "actually Elon did a common wave that everyone does". "how much of an Elon fanboy do you need to be", "It does say a lot that these are the things that you Elon/Trump enjoyers" - some sources on that, or just a gut feeling? "first you tried to push "leftists are the real nazis" " Zoolander school was actually great idea. What I was saying, was that leftists can be nazis. There is a difference. This isn't true. The context is, the week after his NAZI SALUTE, ELon Musk posted 14 American flags at 14:!4 ina blatantly obvious reference to Hitler's 14 words, so revered by Nazis the world over. That is the context, and it provides background which allows you to easily see that this is the kind of guy who would do a Nazi salute, which he definitely did. You can ignore that context and keep pretending it doesn't exist if you like, but it makes your argument look incredibly weak and petty. Remind me please (I may be wrong), but did Musk condemnation here started right after he performed nazi salute, or only week after, when he did 14 flags staff? I dunno, probably straight away. In this discussion right now though, the context is there, so if that condemnation began right away, Musk went on to prove those people right, and arguing now that it wasn't a Nazi Salute is arguing something that has already been proven wrong. Yeah, but if the condemnation of Musk started right away and Booker not, then that is double standard. Yes they can.
Just take the L and call them Stalinists going forward, it is as bad and not automatically wrong.
As per the Booker thing, it has exploded on facebook from the Musk lovers here. There is some similarities, which makes sense since that was Musks excuse. The big differences are that musk has his fingers tight (like the Nazi salute), he does it with more aggression (like the Nazi salute) and the the big one, that made his excuse so laughable, was that he turned and repeated it showing all that it was not an accident.
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On June 03 2025 21:15 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2025 20:09 Razyda wrote:On June 03 2025 19:59 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 03 2025 19:57 Razyda wrote:On June 03 2025 19:50 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 03 2025 18:01 Razyda wrote:Regarding what my point is, it is that this forum has the same double standards as ever. On June 02 2025 18:54 Jockmcplop wrote:You could write the book on deliberately ignoring context.
The only context here is that you dont like one guy, while dont mind the other one.
On June 02 2025 19:26 Jankisa wrote:
Jesus, guy, take the L, how much of an Elon fanboy do you need to be, first you tried to push "leftists are the real nazis" in order to shield him now it's on to "see, a Democrat did the same thing a week ago why aren't you outraged".
It does say a lot that these are the things that you Elon/Trump enjoyers come to these threads with, I guess actually arguing for the insane shit they've been doing is kind of impossible so all you are left is "technically Trump is not a convicted rapist" and "actually Elon did a common wave that everyone does". "how much of an Elon fanboy do you need to be", "It does say a lot that these are the things that you Elon/Trump enjoyers" - some sources on that, or just a gut feeling? "first you tried to push "leftists are the real nazis" " Zoolander school was actually great idea. What I was saying, was that leftists can be nazis. There is a difference. This isn't true. The context is, the week after his NAZI SALUTE, ELon Musk posted 14 American flags at 14:!4 ina blatantly obvious reference to Hitler's 14 words, so revered by Nazis the world over. That is the context, and it provides background which allows you to easily see that this is the kind of guy who would do a Nazi salute, which he definitely did. You can ignore that context and keep pretending it doesn't exist if you like, but it makes your argument look incredibly weak and petty. Remind me please (I may be wrong), but did Musk condemnation here started right after he performed nazi salute, or only week after, when he did 14 flags staff? I dunno, probably straight away. In this discussion right now though, the context is there, so if that condemnation began right away, Musk went on to prove those people right, and arguing now that it wasn't a Nazi Salute is arguing something that has already been proven wrong. Yeah, but if the condemnation of Musk started right away and Booker not, then that is double standard. On June 03 2025 19:36 KwarK wrote:
Leftists can't be Nazis. Yes they can. Just take the L and call them Stalinists going forward, it is as bad and not automatically wrong. As per the Booker thing, it has exploded on facebook from the Musk lovers here. There is some similarities, which makes sense since that was Musks excuse. The big differences are that musk has his fingers tight (like the Nazi salute), he does it with more aggression (like the Nazi salute) and the the big one, that made his excuse so laughable, was that he turned and repeated it showing all that it was not an accident.
Not to mention that Elon Musk was literally stumping for a self-proclaimed wannabe fascist dictator - Donald Trump - who likened himself to past and current authoritarian rulers, complimented them (including Adolf Hitler), and unsuccessfully tried to overthrow American democracy.
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On June 03 2025 20:09 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2025 19:59 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 03 2025 19:57 Razyda wrote:On June 03 2025 19:50 Jockmcplop wrote:On June 03 2025 18:01 Razyda wrote:Regarding what my point is, it is that this forum has the same double standards as ever. On June 02 2025 18:54 Jockmcplop wrote:You could write the book on deliberately ignoring context.
The only context here is that you dont like one guy, while dont mind the other one.
On June 02 2025 19:26 Jankisa wrote:
Jesus, guy, take the L, how much of an Elon fanboy do you need to be, first you tried to push "leftists are the real nazis" in order to shield him now it's on to "see, a Democrat did the same thing a week ago why aren't you outraged".
It does say a lot that these are the things that you Elon/Trump enjoyers come to these threads with, I guess actually arguing for the insane shit they've been doing is kind of impossible so all you are left is "technically Trump is not a convicted rapist" and "actually Elon did a common wave that everyone does". "how much of an Elon fanboy do you need to be", "It does say a lot that these are the things that you Elon/Trump enjoyers" - some sources on that, or just a gut feeling? "first you tried to push "leftists are the real nazis" " Zoolander school was actually great idea. What I was saying, was that leftists can be nazis. There is a difference. This isn't true. The context is, the week after his NAZI SALUTE, ELon Musk posted 14 American flags at 14:!4 ina blatantly obvious reference to Hitler's 14 words, so revered by Nazis the world over. That is the context, and it provides background which allows you to easily see that this is the kind of guy who would do a Nazi salute, which he definitely did. You can ignore that context and keep pretending it doesn't exist if you like, but it makes your argument look incredibly weak and petty. Remind me please (I may be wrong), but did Musk condemnation here started right after he performed nazi salute, or only week after, when he did 14 flags staff? I dunno, probably straight away. In this discussion right now though, the context is there, so if that condemnation began right away, Musk went on to prove those people right, and arguing now that it wasn't a Nazi Salute is arguing something that has already been proven wrong. Yeah, but if the condemnation of Musk started right away and Booker not, then that is double standard. Yes they can.
There are two general layers of context here, and in general.
The first difference is the first layer of context here. What happened in the footage, and does it accurately represent the event itself?
For example, if I said ‘I don’t use the word nigger, I think it’s a profoundly ugly word’, and someone who was filming me, stuck it online, and only showed the bolded section, that would be taking me out of context by selectively reversing the sentiment of what I said.
The second layer is, if the thing happened, why? What are the various other factors that explain what was going on. These may 100% end up open to interpretation anyway, or disagreement, they may not.
For example a footballer in the UK was getting a lot of shit for having a tattoo of a gun, and for glorifying gang violence etc. The reality was they got that tattoo in memory of a family member (possibly father) who was killed by gun violence.
So, circling back to this, and hypocrisy, or otherwise.
1. Via the first conception of context, Musk did the K-Pop salute, Booker did not. You can watch a long cut of Musk, he does the K-Pop salute. Booker does not, it only looks that way if you cut the footage early.
2. It doesn’t matter what Booker’s reasons are for doing a K-Pop salute, if he didn’t do it in the first place. With Musk, people’s reads are different from him just trolling, to him being a full-on Nazi, and various spots in between there.
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The only appropriate quote to reply to this "Booker did a Nazi salute" nonsense:
"Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past." - Jean-Paul Sartre
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I believe Western Civ. rests upon a financial labyrinth house of cards. That is definitely dangerous. However, i can't take the Republicans' calls for fiscal restraint seriously. I've been hearing this yap since 1964 that the USA is on the verge of financial collapse and urgent spending cuts are required to avert imminent disaster. We've got the climate crazies predicting the end of the world and they got nuttin' on the financial "experts" claiming we're on the verge of another great depression.
After Reagan gave us "A Time For Choosing" in 1964... why did he spend like drunken sailor from 1980 to 1988 while he was prez? Ironically, he drove the USA into debt further and faster than the left wing Liberal run Canada from 1980 to 1984.
Reagan spent all kinds of time yapping about fiscal restraint. Trudeau never talked about it. In fact, Trudeau flouted the dire predictions of impending doom. Turns out, Pierre Trudeau was correct. What Reagan did was worse though. He constantly talked about how important fiscal restraint was and then spent like crazy. Pierre Trudeau didn't view restraining spending as a super high priority and his government spent money in a manner congruent with his espoused views.
Move to today. Elon runs around talking about all the money saving the US government must do... then ... we get a mega spending bill that contributes to the lowering of the US gov's credit rating. Make it make sense?
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4ge0xk4ld1o
https://time.com/7289045/musk-trump-big-beautiful-bill-national-debt-deficit-disappointed-doge/?utm_source=chatgpt.com
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