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On June 01 2025 00:42 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2025 00:29 WombaT wrote:
Why you are seemingly so obsessed with parts of Canada joining the US is kinda beyond me I have to say.
it is fascinating. Remember, Canada is the first ever "post nation state". Canada's nationhood is a constant source of discuss and debate amongst Canadians. Canada did not get its only flag until 1967 and did not get a constitution until 1983 and even then Quebec is not included in it. Kramer's view: + Show Spoiler +Kramer’s Take:
"Jerry, it’s like you’re invited to a party, you show up, you drink the beer, you eat the cake—but you say: ‘I never RSVP’d, so I’m not really part of it!’
Quebec’s in the party, Jerry, but they never sent in the RSVP! Giddy up!" This is why Trump's yap about a 51st state holds much more weight than if Trump claimed the US was going to annex Japan. Japan has a real, long standing culture, traditions etc..
You can't say Canada has no long standing culture!
+ Show Spoiler +
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With the NYC mayor Democrat primary just weeks away, is it time for AOC to endorse Zohran Mamdani?
Why do Democrats prefer electing a corrupt serial sexual offender over anyone else currently?
Understanding Democrats are also spiteful idiots that will choose obviously terrible people over objectively better options while acting against their own best interests will help people understand why a (former) Democrat from New York is president now.
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On June 01 2025 01:32 GreenHorizons wrote:
With the NYC mayor Democrat primary just weeks away, is it time for AOC to endorse Zohran Mamdani?
Why do Democrats prefer electing a corrupt serial sexual offender over anyone else currently?
Understanding Democrats are also spiteful idiots that will choose obviously terrible people over objectively better options while acting against their own best interests will help people understand why a (former) Democrat from New York is president now.
How do you manage to sound even more sanctimonious than an average Christian fundamentalist?
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On June 01 2025 03:00 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2025 01:32 GreenHorizons wrote:
With the NYC mayor Democrat primary just weeks away, is it time for AOC to endorse Zohran Mamdani?
Why do Democrats prefer electing a corrupt serial sexual offender over anyone else currently?
Understanding Democrats are also spiteful idiots that will choose obviously terrible people over objectively better options while acting against their own best interests will help people understand why a (former) Democrat from New York is president now. How do you manage to sound even more sanctimonious than an average Christian fundamentalist?
Everything in there is standard (Democrats and posters here say plenty worse) Democrat rhetoric. It's just accurately describing Democrats/their supporters as well as Republicans/their supporters.
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Oh okay, it's just more of that "both sides!" numbskullery.
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Northern Ireland26962 Posts
On June 01 2025 00:42 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2025 00:29 WombaT wrote:
Why you are seemingly so obsessed with parts of Canada joining the US is kinda beyond me I have to say.
it is fascinating. Remember, Canada is the first ever "post nation state". Canada's nationhood is a constant source of discuss and debate amongst Canadians. Canada did not get its only flag until 1967 and did not get a constitution until 1983 and even then Quebec is not included in it. Kramer's view: + Show Spoiler +Kramer’s Take:
"Jerry, it’s like you’re invited to a party, you show up, you drink the beer, you eat the cake—but you say: ‘I never RSVP’d, so I’m not really part of it!’
Quebec’s in the party, Jerry, but they never sent in the RSVP! Giddy up!" This is why Trump's yap about a 51st state holds much more weight than if Trump claimed the US was going to annex Japan. Japan has a real, long standing culture, traditions etc..
No, it holds zero weight. It’s ridiculous.
What Japanese culture? The Japan of mecha anime or the Japan of sepuku and samurai. Or the Japan of isolationism, or that of rabid, expansionist nationalism?
What culture and traditions do Canada lack that don’t make them a nation, what’s the special sauce they’re lacking? Does the UK have culture and traditions that make it a nation? What kind of things are they, maybe they can give Canada a few tips eh?
Hell we still don’t have a written constitution over here. We’ve got a flag at least I suppose
‘Are we Canadian?’ ‘What is it to be a Canadian?’ Have equivalent common, common kind of debates in any nation around. ‘Should we remain in Canada or secede?’, also a common debate the world over.
If there’s one thing that seems to be a relative unifier, the Canadians who don’t see themselves as Canadians and support separatism, sure as all fuck don’t consider themselves American.
It’s not beyond the realms of feasibility that Quebec secedes at some future juncture. But who’s seceding to join the US in some capacity. Who even wants that? In Canada OR the US.
My partner will perhaps one day leave me (unlikely, I’m clearly awesome), but if she does I’m confident it won’t to be to shack up with a giant, 70 foot tall robot call Alfred.
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Northern Ireland26962 Posts
On June 01 2025 01:32 GreenHorizons wrote:
With the NYC mayor Democrat primary just weeks away, is it time for AOC to endorse Zohran Mamdani?
Why do Democrats prefer electing a corrupt serial sexual offender over anyone else currently?
Understanding Democrats are also spiteful idiots that will choose obviously terrible people over objectively better options while acting against their own best interests will help people understand why a (former) Democrat from New York is president now.
What are his numbers looking like?
From my memories of last time you brought this race up, he seemed a reasonable bloke and I’d definitely approve of those with some clout throwing some weight behind his candidacy. Especially someone like AOC who’s already on the left of the party
PS - Have not followed this race at all since GH last mentioned it. If Zohran Mamdani has done any insane shit in the interim, I haven’t encountered it. Seemed a reasonable platform last time I scanned
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Seems really embarrassing for democrats to have Andrew Cuomo be the leading candidate for them in New York. Such a fresh face for them.
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On June 01 2025 03:40 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2025 00:42 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On June 01 2025 00:29 WombaT wrote:
Why you are seemingly so obsessed with parts of Canada joining the US is kinda beyond me I have to say.
it is fascinating. Remember, Canada is the first ever "post nation state". Canada's nationhood is a constant source of discuss and debate amongst Canadians. Canada did not get its only flag until 1967 and did not get a constitution until 1983 and even then Quebec is not included in it. Kramer's view: + Show Spoiler +Kramer’s Take:
"Jerry, it’s like you’re invited to a party, you show up, you drink the beer, you eat the cake—but you say: ‘I never RSVP’d, so I’m not really part of it!’
Quebec’s in the party, Jerry, but they never sent in the RSVP! Giddy up!" This is why Trump's yap about a 51st state holds much more weight than if Trump claimed the US was going to annex Japan. Japan has a real, long standing culture, traditions etc.. No, it holds zero weight. It’s ridiculous. What Japanese culture? The Japan of mecha anime or the Japan of sepuku and samurai. Or the Japan of isolationism, or that of rabid, expansionist nationalism? What culture and traditions do Canada lack that don’t make them a nation, what’s the special sauce they’re lacking? Does the UK have culture and traditions that make it a nation? What kind of things are they, maybe they can give Canada a few tips eh? Hell we still don’t have a written constitution over here. We’ve got a flag at least I suppose ‘Are we Canadian?’ ‘What is it to be a Canadian?’ Have equivalent common, common kind of debates in any nation around. ‘Should we remain in Canada or secede?’, also a common debate the world over. If there’s one thing that seems to be a relative unifier, the Canadians who don’t see themselves as Canadians and support separatism, sure as all fuck don’t consider themselves American. It’s not beyond the realms of feasibility that Quebec secedes at some future juncture. But who’s seceding to join the US in some capacity. Who even wants that? In Canada OR the US. My partner will perhaps one day leave me (unlikely, I’m clearly awesome), but if she does I’m confident it won’t to be to shack up with a giant, 70 foot tall robot call Alfred.
Alberta
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On June 01 2025 04:01 Legan wrote:
Seems really embarrassing for democrats to have Andrew Cuomo be the leading candidate for them in New York. Such a fresh face for them.
Wait for after the first debate (which is on June 4). Right now most people are just answering polls based on name recognition.
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Do people actually care about debates?
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On June 01 2025 06:05 Velr wrote:
Do people actually care about debates?
I mean, the first presidential debate sure had an impact last election.
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On June 01 2025 06:18 Gahlo wrote:I mean, the first presidential debate sure had an impact last election.
This isn't a falsifiable claim.
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I hope Democrats elect another moderate pro-police type because Eric Adams has been so super great.
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On June 01 2025 06:18 Gahlo wrote:I mean, the first presidential debate sure had an impact last election.
True. On the other hand, unfortunately, the single debate between Harris and Trump - which was so embarrassing for Trump that he refused to debate her ever again - didn't seem to have an impact. So debates may matter, sometimes.
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Canada11528 Posts
On May 30 2025 03:05 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2025 02:46 KwarK wrote:On May 30 2025 02:30 oBlade wrote:There's nothing stopping KwarK from attacking federal agents or Teslas, he just doesn't want to get arrested. He can afford anything. There's no practical reason in his way. And obviously his personally not driving a Tesla isn't saving any of the people who are being targeted by law enforcement simply for breaking the law. But he won't actually do anything - because the affordability he enjoys comes from being married to the system so he can't betray it. Even GH's plans to actually get people to do something later are better than just pretending you would do something now. On May 30 2025 00:38 Dan HH wrote:On May 29 2025 18:28 Godwrath wrote:
Arguing with right-wing voters about corruption cases has an extremely long track record of going absolutely nowhere. They don’t care. When they reply with a flat “and?”, it’s not sarcasm, it’s honesty. They genuinely don’t care, and it’s not because they think corruption is good; it’s because they’ve completely normalized it. In their eyes, everyone is corrupt. Every party, every politician, every institutio, it’s all rotten. So why bother pretending otherwise? They do care, they wish Trump wasn't corrupt, or an imbecile, or a rapist and that they didn't have to defend him for it. I hear he also puts ketchup on well done steak, wears crocs with socks, breathes through his mouth, capitalizes random words, and oh yes clubs baby seals. This is such a weird response to it being pointed out that he's a rapist. Rattling off a list of trivial complaints against him and including that he's a rapist in there to frame it as a big series of silly objections. Putting ketchup on steaks is not just as bad as rape and I genuinely believe that on some level you know that. Sure KwarK, imbecile and rapist were neck-and-neck equal though so you didn't miss anything, like for example the entire point. Putting ketchup on steaks is worse inasmuch as it's the one that's actually true. Otherwise the normal answer is that he doesn't club baby seals obviously. Show nested quote +On May 30 2025 02:51 LightSpectra wrote:
He does capitalize random words at least, so I think oBlade is saying he's aware Trump is a rapist, he just doesn't care. Pretty sure George Stephanopoulos had to pony up millions for running with that.
Stephanopoulos' case was not won in court but was settled outside of court.
1) Do you think there is a material difference on whether one is a rapist a) if one forcibly use an object or b) if one forcibly uses their own member?
2) Do you think the only reason a person would settle rather than fight a lawsuit is because they know they are in the wrong?
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Northern Ireland26962 Posts
On June 01 2025 04:11 Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2025 03:40 WombaT wrote:On June 01 2025 00:42 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On June 01 2025 00:29 WombaT wrote:
Why you are seemingly so obsessed with parts of Canada joining the US is kinda beyond me I have to say.
it is fascinating. Remember, Canada is the first ever "post nation state". Canada's nationhood is a constant source of discuss and debate amongst Canadians. Canada did not get its only flag until 1967 and did not get a constitution until 1983 and even then Quebec is not included in it. Kramer's view: + Show Spoiler +Kramer’s Take:
"Jerry, it’s like you’re invited to a party, you show up, you drink the beer, you eat the cake—but you say: ‘I never RSVP’d, so I’m not really part of it!’
Quebec’s in the party, Jerry, but they never sent in the RSVP! Giddy up!" This is why Trump's yap about a 51st state holds much more weight than if Trump claimed the US was going to annex Japan. Japan has a real, long standing culture, traditions etc.. No, it holds zero weight. It’s ridiculous. What Japanese culture? The Japan of mecha anime or the Japan of sepuku and samurai. Or the Japan of isolationism, or that of rabid, expansionist nationalism? What culture and traditions do Canada lack that don’t make them a nation, what’s the special sauce they’re lacking? Does the UK have culture and traditions that make it a nation? What kind of things are they, maybe they can give Canada a few tips eh? Hell we still don’t have a written constitution over here. We’ve got a flag at least I suppose ‘Are we Canadian?’ ‘What is it to be a Canadian?’ Have equivalent common, common kind of debates in any nation around. ‘Should we remain in Canada or secede?’, also a common debate the world over. If there’s one thing that seems to be a relative unifier, the Canadians who don’t see themselves as Canadians and support separatism, sure as all fuck don’t consider themselves American. It’s not beyond the realms of feasibility that Quebec secedes at some future juncture. But who’s seceding to join the US in some capacity. Who even wants that? In Canada OR the US. My partner will perhaps one day leave me (unlikely, I’m clearly awesome), but if she does I’m confident it won’t to be to shack up with a giant, 70 foot tall robot call Alfred. Alberta
Alberta the Robot? Now that may be something I could tolerate, at least she wouldn’t be leaving me for another man.
That aside, I dip my toes in a little here and there. The odd story, the odd poll. The odd Reddit comment Most of my exposure to Canadian sentiment mostly comes from here.
Jimmi seems to espouse positions almost completely detached from most of what else I run into, so either my sample size is completely unrepresentative of ye olde average Canadian or he’s a bit off.
I know a bit more about Europe, one could take Catalunya and Spain. It’s a bit of both Quebec and Alberta simultaneously. There’s the cultural, linguistic and nationalistic separate identity element as with the former. There’s also a bit of the ‘we’re a rich region partially subsidising poorer regions’ that you get a bit with Alberta.
Momentum has somewhat stalled in that direction in recent years, but it wouldn’t blow my mind if it returned in spades, or happened in my lifetime.
What would blow my mind would be if they seceded, only to immediately attach themselves to say, the French state.
The twin pools of secessionism tend to be ‘we’re different from the wider state, we want to be detached’ or ‘we’re rich and we want to keep that money in-house’.
If, in alternate history land say, the US was culturally French dominated, then one could maybe see that process making more sense. Or indeed, if all of Canada was monolingually French except Alberta.
What Jimmy is arguing seems to be some pet theory he has that has no grounding in much of anything. Not in current Canadian provincial sensibilities, much historical precedent or other general practicalities.
If we take Alberta yeah it’s a conservative province by Canadian standards, much less so by US standards. If it becomes the 51st StateTM what does that do to political dynamics in the States? Some in the States may like the idea of that sweet, sweet money, do they like the prospect that potentially you’re losing a hell of a lot of political power? And at the States end of things if you don’t like that prospect and it’s a Puerto Rico kind of deal, why would Albertans go for that?
Not that I have many strong suits, to begin with, but the intricacies of Canadian politics sure as fuck aren’t one of them. I could mostly be talking out of my arse here, and await correction if so!
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Northern Ireland26962 Posts
On June 01 2025 09:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2025 06:18 Gahlo wrote:On June 01 2025 06:05 Velr wrote:
Do people actually care about debates? I mean, the first presidential debate sure had an impact last election. True. On the other hand, unfortunately, the single debate between Harris and Trump - which was so embarrassing for Trump that he refused to debate her ever again - didn't seem to have an impact. So debates may matter, sometimes.
I don’t think debates necessarily matter massively outside of extremes. A complete disaster, or you wipe the floor with an opponent.
It’s what the debates herald really, it’s that time that most people, if they’re ever going to care, start to pay attention. Debates can be huge, but it’s as much about the 9 other stories people may read that they actively are paying attention now
I think the US Presidential debates specifically aren’t nearly as (potentially) impactful outside of those extreme parameters I mentioned because (to my knowledge) that phase of front-and-centre visibility and campaigning is hugely, hugely elongated compared to elsewhere. Reflected in the campaign spending figures. America really does go big in many things.
The real meat of a French Presidential, or a UK General Election at that level of prominence really is a measurement of weeks, not months and months.
It’s like if I made a faux pas in the first 10 minutes of a first date, versus me making it in the fifth with that person being much more familiar with me.
Trump can fuck up a debate, but if you’ve generally liked what he’s been doing for months and months, it’s not really gonna swing you. Whereas if we’re talking a matter of weeks for most of a country to ‘get to know you’, a singular shit performance or a few gaffes can really stick. As I see it anyway
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Canada11528 Posts
Jimmi seems to espouse positions almost completely detached from most of what else I run into, so either my sample size is completely unrepresentative of ye olde average Canadian or he’s a bit off.
No, Jimmi comes across like a cartoon character and his views are idiosyncratically his own including his constant references to SCTV and a rolodex of Ontario politicians from the 80s? and 90s.
There are some who are sympathetic to the 51st State rhetoric but anecdotally, they seemed most tapped into the online MAGA ecosystem that has displaced American conservatism. Highly disaffected supporters of the trucker protests that became rather black-pilled by the government's response to it along with the rising cost of housing. But 11th Province stickers are far more common on cars these days.
Trudeau's post-nationalism I don't think was ever widely accepted. It is part of what him so dang unlikable over time. His rhetoric always had a veneer of some sort of modern progressive ideology but was really stupid if you thought about it.
There might a little thing like geographical proximity that Canada would take annexation threats a little more seriously. That and Trump (Exalted and Wise) seems unhinged enough and his followers cult-like enough that it's at least conceivable even if improbable. But it's more the absolute insult of it all. We've long been proud of being part of a friendship (despite our occasional anti-American snobbery) that has resulted in the longest undefended border in the world. Trump (the Subtle)'s rhetoric is a slap in the face and the economic threat is very real.
There's also this gaslighting that is also infuriating.
Keep banging on how Canada should join America despite repeated and emphatic, hell no's.
And then turn around and say Canada is being weird for making such a big deal of it.
"Canada should move on... Donald Trump isn't talking about it.
May 22
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/us-ambassador-trump-1.7541432
Five days later Trump the True Reality starts talking about it again because to him, no doesn't mean no, be forceful and rich and they'll let you do anything. All that happens is he just gets distracted sometimes.
One side benefit is we had gotten a little confused about our flag post-Trucker protest and the F-Trudeau crowd on the one side and the CancelCanadaDay folks from the other side. I expect this year's July 1st to pretty patriotic as rumours of the non-existence of Canadian culture have been greatly exaggerated.
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On June 01 2025 09:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2025 06:18 Gahlo wrote:On June 01 2025 06:05 Velr wrote:
Do people actually care about debates? I mean, the first presidential debate sure had an impact last election. True. On the other hand, unfortunately, the single debate between Harris and Trump - which was so embarrassing for Trump that he refused to debate her ever again - didn't seem to have an impact. So debates may matter, sometimes.
I dunno, my stance on things at the time, and even in the fallout of the Butler assassination attempt was that people were in their always Trump or never Trump camp. Debates wouldn't really do anything for Trump and it would be up to Kamala to not fumble the ball. Then her platform didn't distance itself in meaningful ways from an already unpopular presidency, along with consultants muzzling Walz to stop him from calling MAGA weird, and here we are.
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