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On April 09 2025 02:28 Ciaus237 wrote:
Also to be on topic: WTF is happening with the deportation case? The door feels open for Trump to just start throwing anyone he doesn't like in prisons far from any country they are a citizen of.
I assume they don't want the people wrongly sent to the gulag to come back and do a media tour telling their stories. Hence the bullshit that they can't bring them back.
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Also to be on topic: WTF is happening with the deportation case? The door feels open for Trump to just start throwing anyone he doesn't like in prisons far from any country they are a citizen of.
Correct, thats the goal, yes.
104% Tariffs on China starts midnight, start panic buying now before stores close to jack up their prices! Interesting times, baby!
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/08/trump-tariffs-live-updates-stock-market-china.html
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On April 09 2025 03:15 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2025 02:28 Ciaus237 wrote:
Also to be on topic: WTF is happening with the deportation case? The door feels open for Trump to just start throwing anyone he doesn't like in prisons far from any country they are a citizen of. I assume they don't want the people wrongly sent to the gulag to come back and do a media tour telling their stories. Hence the bullshit that they can't bring them back. I give it 50/50 on the guy they are refusing to bring back despite admitting he shouldn't have been deported being dead already
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Dumping Americans into assorted foreign prisons seems more like human sacrifice than a legal practice.
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So trade war starts ahead of schedule.
The question now being what the EU will do.
I'm sure they'd also love to retaliate, but they still need US for NATO.
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I wonder how long it takes for prices to rise dramatically and actual real riots to start lmao.
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On April 09 2025 03:33 Zambrah wrote:
I wonder how long it takes for prices to rise dramatically and actual real riots to start lmao.
Most companies increased stock in the US since there was speculation about smaller % increases, not the 100% we might see. So for most things you probably have a month and they will scramble to find replacements.
A sad time to be working in US supply chain roles. The preconditions you set everything up changes and you do overtime to start fixing it. Then it changes again.
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On April 09 2025 03:33 Zambrah wrote:
I wonder how long it takes for prices to rise dramatically and actual real riots to start lmao. 1-2 months for stockpiles to run out?
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On April 09 2025 03:15 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2025 02:28 Ciaus237 wrote:
Also to be on topic: WTF is happening with the deportation case? The door feels open for Trump to just start throwing anyone he doesn't like in prisons far from any country they are a citizen of. I assume they don't want the people wrongly sent to the gulag to come back and do a media tour telling their stories. Hence the bullshit that they can't bring them back.
If I'm Trump my thought is "what are you going to do about it?"
If I'm not a revolutionary socialists, the answer seems to be "mock and gawk at it".
No one wants to advance LibHorizons plan, so I don't know what everyone expects (besides fleeing/joining the fascists) at this point
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On April 09 2025 03:37 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2025 03:33 Zambrah wrote:
I wonder how long it takes for prices to rise dramatically and actual real riots to start lmao. 1-2 months for stockpiles to run out?
But why would companies wait that long, when they can easily justify a 50+% price hike with "tariffs" now, and pocket the not-yet-paid tariffs as profit instead. Afaik companies like money most of all things.
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On April 09 2025 03:28 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2025 03:15 Dan HH wrote:On April 09 2025 02:28 Ciaus237 wrote:
Also to be on topic: WTF is happening with the deportation case? The door feels open for Trump to just start throwing anyone he doesn't like in prisons far from any country they are a citizen of. I assume they don't want the people wrongly sent to the gulag to come back and do a media tour telling their stories. Hence the bullshit that they can't bring them back. I give it 50/50 on the guy they are refusing to bring back despite admitting he shouldn't have been deported being dead already
I don't think that's likely, I'm sure El Salvador would rather get a monthly fee for the prisoners than open themselves up to becoming the fall guys if there's going to be a day of reckoning for all this.
This particular case become the headliner because the lawyer that Trump's administration sent refused to play the game for them, but there are lots of others sent to El Salvador on questionable grounds. And the regime seems to have zero interest in finding and fixing mistakes, quite the opposite. For now I'm sticking with the explanation that this is due to their general allergy to responsibility and due to their fear of media optics if those victims ever surface in public view.
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On April 09 2025 03:40 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2025 03:37 Gorsameth wrote:On April 09 2025 03:33 Zambrah wrote:
I wonder how long it takes for prices to rise dramatically and actual real riots to start lmao. 1-2 months for stockpiles to run out? But why would companies wait that long, when they can easily justify a 50+% price hike with "tariffs" now, and pocket the not-yet-paid tariffs as profit instead. Afaik companies like money most of all things. I think companies are still waiting to see if someone puts a gun to Trumps head and makes him walk back the tariffs, like has happened numerous times already.
If that doesn't happen then those in markets that can afford it (lack of competition) will start increasing prices while those with significant competition will try to hold out for as long as they reasonably can.
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On April 09 2025 03:40 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2025 03:37 Gorsameth wrote:On April 09 2025 03:33 Zambrah wrote:
I wonder how long it takes for prices to rise dramatically and actual real riots to start lmao. 1-2 months for stockpiles to run out? But why would companies wait that long, when they can easily justify a 50+% price hike with "tariffs" now, and pocket the not-yet-paid tariffs as profit instead. Afaik companies like money most of all things.
Companies don't need an excuse to raise their prices to make more profit. If Nike could sell shoes for 50% more and make more profit then they would have been doing that years ago. A lot of people don't want to pay $200 for a pair of sneakers and they are not going to become instantly more agreeable to it with a "because tariffs..." justification.
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On April 09 2025 04:04 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2025 03:40 Simberto wrote:On April 09 2025 03:37 Gorsameth wrote:On April 09 2025 03:33 Zambrah wrote:
I wonder how long it takes for prices to rise dramatically and actual real riots to start lmao. 1-2 months for stockpiles to run out? But why would companies wait that long, when they can easily justify a 50+% price hike with "tariffs" now, and pocket the not-yet-paid tariffs as profit instead. Afaik companies like money most of all things. Companies don't need an excuse to raise their prices to make more profit. If Nike could sell shoes for 50% more and make more profit then they would have been doing that years ago. A lot of people don't want to pay $200 for a pair of sneakers and they are not going to become instantly more agreeable to it with a "because tariffs..." justification.
Well, price elasticity is in many ways about perception. If the alternative to awesome Nikes is Adidas that are $20 cheaper, then maybe Nike is worth it. If the alternative now gets tariffed with $30 extra, and Nike only has $10 extra in cost, they could still raise the price by $30. Or even $40, because price perception changed.
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On April 09 2025 04:18 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2025 04:04 BlackJack wrote:On April 09 2025 03:40 Simberto wrote:On April 09 2025 03:37 Gorsameth wrote:On April 09 2025 03:33 Zambrah wrote:
I wonder how long it takes for prices to rise dramatically and actual real riots to start lmao. 1-2 months for stockpiles to run out? But why would companies wait that long, when they can easily justify a 50+% price hike with "tariffs" now, and pocket the not-yet-paid tariffs as profit instead. Afaik companies like money most of all things. Companies don't need an excuse to raise their prices to make more profit. If Nike could sell shoes for 50% more and make more profit then they would have been doing that years ago. A lot of people don't want to pay $200 for a pair of sneakers and they are not going to become instantly more agreeable to it with a "because tariffs..." justification. Well, price elasticity is in many ways about perception. If the alternative to awesome Nikes is Adidas that are $20 cheaper, then maybe Nike is worth it. If the alternative now gets tariffed with $30 extra, and Nike only has $10 extra in cost, they could still raise the price by $30. Or even $40, because price perception changed.
Price elasticity is wild and being ignored entirely. America has really price inelastic demand for oil... when its economy is doing well. But you take a kneecap to the entire economic activity, and, well, oil demand is lower and its not because of price at that point, its because of expected output. If the market truly believed that these things would be onshoring manufacturing, energy and commodities would be skyrocketing because of US demand for them. But they aren't. :/
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On April 09 2025 03:39 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2025 03:15 Dan HH wrote:On April 09 2025 02:28 Ciaus237 wrote:
Also to be on topic: WTF is happening with the deportation case? The door feels open for Trump to just start throwing anyone he doesn't like in prisons far from any country they are a citizen of. I assume they don't want the people wrongly sent to the gulag to come back and do a media tour telling their stories. Hence the bullshit that they can't bring them back. If I'm Trump my thought is "what are you going to do about it?" If I'm not a revolutionary socialists, the answer seems to be "mock and gawk at it". No one wants to advance LibHorizons plan, so I don't know what everyone expects (besides fleeing/joining the fascists) at this point
There’s one thing people can do about Trump but it’s a long shot.
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On April 08 2025 23:14 Slydie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2025 23:02 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 07 2025 08:51 micronesia wrote:JimmyJRaynor, third attempt... Please answer the original question... you said something pretty strange to me and I'm just asking you to clarify. On April 06 2025 08:43 micronesia wrote:On April 06 2025 08:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 06 2025 08:14 micronesia wrote:On April 06 2025 08:12 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 06 2025 07:55 micronesia wrote:On April 06 2025 07:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
I think working a friday night shift and/or Saturday night shift is fine. Fucking around time on night shifts is sky high and even higher on weekends. it is a great way to do nothing and get paid. Why is that good and/or evidence that they should allow such shifts for minors? define minor? Should a 17 year old be legally eligible to work the night shift at a gas station on Friday and/or Saturday nights? yep, they should be legally eligible to do so. Should a 7 year old be legally permitted to do so. I say, NO. I was speaking about young employees in the context of: On April 06 2025 07:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
nah, the bill as doomed as long as it permits 15 to 17 year olds to work over night shifts when they must go to school the next day. i don't think 15 to 17 year olds should work a night shift when they must go to school the next day. it appears many floridians share my common sense perspective. as a result, the bill will die if it includes the legalization of such a thing. and by "night shift" i'm talking working past 11pm into the morning hours... perhaps "midnight shift" is a more precise description. Okay. Now that we have aligned on what age group we are talking about, can we revisit my question? On April 06 2025 07:55 micronesia wrote:On April 06 2025 07:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
I think working a friday night shift and/or Saturday night shift is fine. Fucking around time on night shifts is sky high and even higher on weekends. it is a great way to do nothing and get paid. Why is that good and/or evidence that they should allow such shifts for minors? because it is good for 17 year olds to earn money in a low pressure environment. why is that? the best way to develop a child into a healthy adult is by incrementally increasing their level of responsibility throughout their teenage years. By 17, if a student wants to work weekend nights at some easy, BS job ... they should be permitted to do so. And by extension, an 18 year old high school grad should be permitted to work weekend nights as well. Do I want 17 year olds to be flying 767's at 3am or operating heavy construction machinery in a high stress environment at 3am? No, I do not. Should a 17 year old be legally permitted to work at an all night print shop or an all night gas station? yes. As an interesting aside, I worked weekend nights "illegally" at a gas station//garage when I was 17. An 18 year old, Barbara Turnball, had been shot in the neck working the night shift at an all night convenience store in the city. The city passed 50 different bylaws to try to "prevent it from ever happening again" that included making the work I was doing at night "illegal" for someone age 17. It was still legal for 18 year olds and the woman shot was 18. So another 18 year old could still get shot in the neck at 3am. Given the choice, I'd make the same decision and work the night shift illegally. It was not illegal in any of the cities around the city i was in. It was great work experience and more importantly great life experience. I spent all night fixing cars. The garage//gas station owner would give me hours to replace a carbeurator... change spark plugs.. .do tests. I was getting paid to pump gas at a gas station. Teenagers need their sleep, and a lot of it. They are also extremely busy, spending a lot of energy on school, friends, sports and other activities. Screwing up their sleep schedule with night shifts can do a lot of harm, I would never allow that as a parent. Whatever some of them do partying and gaming is plenty. If they drop out of school and only work it might be different, but school+weird working hours is a terrible combo!
in your world of teenagers never doing all nighters during a school year ... how does anyone get through a computer science, electrical engineering, engineering science, software engineering, or a robotics program at a good university?
In my class of 90 people prolly 25% were 17. I had been 18 for one month. I prolly did 2.5 all nighters a month getting the super hard core abstract computer science theory assignment done. The average for my class was prolly 1.5 to 2 all nighters a month. Some guys did 1 a week. Most times, it was the computer science assignments that triggered an all nighter.
Lots of all nighters throughout my teen years of 17, 18, and 19. Same with all my classmates. Had some old person like you tried to lecture us about "work-life balance" the reply would be "great talk old man; guarantee me a job that pays $125K/year when I graduate and i'll go to bed before 10pm every night"
In Judaism a 13 year old boy is a Jewish adult. Perhaps this is why Jewish university professors are renowned for administering the toughest courses. At my university the Jewish profs were brutal. They feel like, by the time you are 17 or 18 you should be able to take the heat. The toughest Applied Math professor we had ... his last name was "Lastman". "He is the last man you want as your calculus prof".
All nighters are great preparation for crunch culture and hermit coding. Brood War would not exist without the hermit coding of Bob Fitch.
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On April 09 2025 04:43 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2025 23:14 Slydie wrote:On April 08 2025 23:02 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 07 2025 08:51 micronesia wrote:JimmyJRaynor, third attempt... Please answer the original question... you said something pretty strange to me and I'm just asking you to clarify. On April 06 2025 08:43 micronesia wrote:On April 06 2025 08:17 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 06 2025 08:14 micronesia wrote:On April 06 2025 08:12 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On April 06 2025 07:55 micronesia wrote:On April 06 2025 07:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
I think working a friday night shift and/or Saturday night shift is fine. Fucking around time on night shifts is sky high and even higher on weekends. it is a great way to do nothing and get paid. Why is that good and/or evidence that they should allow such shifts for minors? define minor? Should a 17 year old be legally eligible to work the night shift at a gas station on Friday and/or Saturday nights? yep, they should be legally eligible to do so. Should a 7 year old be legally permitted to do so. I say, NO. I was speaking about young employees in the context of: On April 06 2025 07:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
nah, the bill as doomed as long as it permits 15 to 17 year olds to work over night shifts when they must go to school the next day. i don't think 15 to 17 year olds should work a night shift when they must go to school the next day. it appears many floridians share my common sense perspective. as a result, the bill will die if it includes the legalization of such a thing. and by "night shift" i'm talking working past 11pm into the morning hours... perhaps "midnight shift" is a more precise description. Okay. Now that we have aligned on what age group we are talking about, can we revisit my question? On April 06 2025 07:55 micronesia wrote:On April 06 2025 07:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
I think working a friday night shift and/or Saturday night shift is fine. Fucking around time on night shifts is sky high and even higher on weekends. it is a great way to do nothing and get paid. Why is that good and/or evidence that they should allow such shifts for minors? because it is good for 17 year olds to earn money in a low pressure environment. why is that? the best way to develop a child into a healthy adult is by incrementally increasing their level of responsibility throughout their teenage years. By 17, if a student wants to work weekend nights at some easy, BS job ... they should be permitted to do so. And by extension, an 18 year old high school grad should be permitted to work weekend nights as well. Do I want 17 year olds to be flying 767's at 3am or operating heavy construction machinery in a high stress environment at 3am? No, I do not. Should a 17 year old be legally permitted to work at an all night print shop or an all night gas station? yes. As an interesting aside, I worked weekend nights "illegally" at a gas station//garage when I was 17. An 18 year old, Barbara Turnball, had been shot in the neck working the night shift at an all night convenience store in the city. The city passed 50 different bylaws to try to "prevent it from ever happening again" that included making the work I was doing at night "illegal" for someone age 17. It was still legal for 18 year olds and the woman shot was 18. So another 18 year old could still get shot in the neck at 3am. Given the choice, I'd make the same decision and work the night shift illegally. It was not illegal in any of the cities around the city i was in. It was great work experience and more importantly great life experience. I spent all night fixing cars. The garage//gas station owner would give me hours to replace a carbeurator... change spark plugs.. .do tests. I was getting paid to pump gas at a gas station. Teenagers need their sleep, and a lot of it. They are also extremely busy, spending a lot of energy on school, friends, sports and other activities. Screwing up their sleep schedule with night shifts can do a lot of harm, I would never allow that as a parent. Whatever some of them do partying and gaming is plenty. If they drop out of school and only work it might be different, but school+weird working hours is a terrible combo! in your world of teenagers never doing all nighters during a school year ... how does anyone get through a computer science, electrical engineering, engineering science, software engineering, or a robotics program at a good university? In my class of 90 people prolly 25% were 17. I had been 18 for one month. I prolly did 2.5 all nighters a month getting the super hard core abstract computer science theory assignment done. The average for my class was prolly 1.5 to 2 all nighters a month. Some guys did 1 a week. Most times, it was the computer science assignments that triggered an all nighter. Lots of all nighters throughout my teen years of 17, 18, and 19. Same with all my classmates. Had some old person like you tried to lecture us about "work-life balance" the reply would be "great talk old man; guarantee me a job that pays $125K/year when I graduate and i'll go to bed before 10pm every night" In Judaism a 13 year old boy is a Jewish adult. Perhaps this is why Jewish university professors are renowned for administering the toughest courses. At my university the Jewish profs were brutal. They feel like, by the time you are 17 or 18 you should be able to take the heat. The toughest Applied Math professor we had ... his last name was "Lastman". "He is the last man you want as your calculus prof". All nighters are great preparation for crunch culture and hermit coding. Brood War would not exist without the hermit coding of Bob Fitch.
Everything you're describing can wait until kids are out of school. It is silly pretending there is some urgent need for kids to do any of this. We are much better off erring on the side of over concern and over accommodation of a kid's high school education.
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Studied computer science at Oxford, never studied through the night. Don’t know anyone who did.
What are these “super hard core abstract computer science theory assignments” that regularly kept you up all night? I’d love to know.
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On April 09 2025 05:18 Laurens wrote:
Studied computer science at Oxford, never studied through the night. Don’t know anyone who did.
What are these “super hard core abstract computer science theory assignments” that regularly kept you up all night? I’d love to know.
Probably assigned to watch lots of Asmongold and WWE videos.
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