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WombaT
Northern Ireland26005 Posts
On April 08 2025 21:49 Timebon3s wrote: https://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis2?ec=0.75&soc=0.21 I guess I'm centric ? XD Let's all do this test to see where we stand Awk aye, wee bit of craic and fun and there’s sure fuck all of that around for anyone following politics these days! Ye olde WombaT’s results | ||
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Simberto
Germany11626 Posts
On April 08 2025 22:09 WombaT wrote: Awk aye, wee bit of craic and fun and there’s sure fuck all of that around for anyone following politics these days! Ye olde WombaT’s results Ah, another one of the libertarian socialists. We should probably start a gang or something. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10801 Posts
But i'm no socialist, I don't believe it can work, but i do believe in regulations and rules (be it for the market, goverment or international). Trying the other one now... Done: https://8values.github.io/results.html?e=75.6&d=67.8&g=67.2&s=79.5 But that one is very US centric and the questions are way too one dimensional. | ||
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oBlade
United States5765 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16968 Posts
On April 07 2025 08:51 micronesia wrote: JimmyJRaynor, third attempt... Please answer the original question... you said something pretty strange to me and I'm just asking you to clarify. because it is good for 17 year olds to earn money in a low pressure environment. why is that? the best way to develop a child into a healthy adult is by incrementally increasing their level of responsibility throughout their teenage years. By 17, if a student wants to work weekend nights at some easy, BS job ... they should be permitted to do so. And by extension, an 18 year old high school grad should be permitted to work weekend nights as well. Do I want 17 year olds to be flying 767's at 3am or operating heavy construction machinery in a high stress environment at 3am? No, I do not. Should a 17 year old be legally permitted to work at an all night print shop or an all night gas station on weekends when they are not attending school the next day? yes. As an interesting aside, I worked weekend nights "illegally" at a gas station//garage when I was 17. An 18 year old, Barbara Turnball, had been shot in the neck working the night shift at an all night convenience store in the city. The city passed 50 different bylaws to try to "prevent it from ever happening again" that included making the work I was doing at night "illegal" for someone age 17. It was still legal for 18 year olds and the woman shot was 18. So another 18 year old could still get shot in the neck at 3am. Given the choice, I'd make the same decision and work the night shift illegally. It was not illegal in any of the cities around the city i was in. It was great work experience and more importantly great life experience. I spent all night fixing cars. The garage//gas station owner would give me hours to replace a carbeurator... change spark plugs.. .do tests. I was getting paid to pump gas at a gas station. Part time jobs are also a way to break out of any BS you're dealing with at school. You're essentially a whole different persona in the work environment. And the work place views you from a radically different perspective than your peers at school. You can grow in different ways. If you want .. you can keep your work world and school world apart. | ||
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Slydie
1927 Posts
On April 08 2025 23:02 JimmyJRaynor wrote: because it is good for 17 year olds to earn money in a low pressure environment. why is that? the best way to develop a child into a healthy adult is by incrementally increasing their level of responsibility throughout their teenage years. By 17, if a student wants to work weekend nights at some easy, BS job ... they should be permitted to do so. And by extension, an 18 year old high school grad should be permitted to work weekend nights as well. Do I want 17 year olds to be flying 767's at 3am or operating heavy construction machinery in a high stress environment at 3am? No, I do not. Should a 17 year old be legally permitted to work at an all night print shop or an all night gas station? yes. As an interesting aside, I worked weekend nights "illegally" at a gas station//garage when I was 17. An 18 year old, Barbara Turnball, had been shot in the neck working the night shift at an all night convenience store in the city. The city passed 50 different bylaws to try to "prevent it from ever happening again" that included making the work I was doing at night "illegal" for someone age 17. It was still legal for 18 year olds and the woman shot was 18. So another 18 year old could still get shot in the neck at 3am. Given the choice, I'd make the same decision and work the night shift illegally. It was not illegal in any of the cities around the city i was in. It was great work experience and more importantly great life experience. I spent all night fixing cars. The garage//gas station owner would give me hours to replace a carbeurator... change spark plugs.. .do tests. I was getting paid to pump gas at a gas station. Teenagers need their sleep, and a lot of it. They are also extremely busy, spending a lot of energy on school, friends, sports and other activities. Screwing up their sleep schedule with night shifts can do a lot of harm, I would never allow that as a parent. Whatever some of them do partying and gaming is plenty. If they drop out of school and only work it might be different, but school+weird working hours is a terrible combo! | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26005 Posts
There ends up being a load of frustrating edge cases in the UK, given you can leave school at 16 with our GED equivalent, but you’re still restricted by laws intended to protect 17/18 year olds who remain in education to either get their A levels alone, or progress to university with them. And they get paid less too of course, at least by the law. Some employers voluntarily waive that | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16968 Posts
On April 08 2025 23:14 Slydie wrote: Teenagers need their sleep, and a lot of it. They are also extremely busy, spending a lot of energy on school, friends, sports and other activities. Screwing up their sleep schedule with night shifts can do a lot of harm, I would never allow that as a parent. Whatever some of them do partying and gaming is plenty. If they drop out of school and only work it might be different, but school+weird working hours is a terrible combo! nah, working nights gives you all kinds of freedom within the workplace setting in order to build all kinds of skills you can not build during the day when management is watching every single move you make. By the end of my time at the gas station i was helping the mechanic guy change transmissions. Many night shift people use this free time the same way i did... skill building in a loose environment. Also, The increasing obesity rate in the USA indicates this assumption can't be made. Furthermore, All the night shift guys recovered just fine. Working nights gives a teenager time away from the constant supervision of parents, teachers, school peers, etc. Its a refreshing break. https://grownandflown.com/let-teens-have-down-time/ On April 08 2025 23:14 Slydie wrote: Whatever some of them do partying and gaming is plenty. if you can not afford to party or game its good to work. some lower middle class and working poor want to improve their lives. when the economy is lousy you'll take whatever job you can get. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26005 Posts
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KwarK
United States43203 Posts
That's probably not optimal. | ||
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Falling
Canada11369 Posts
On April 08 2025 18:58 KT_Elwood wrote: The Peter Navarro aka Professor Ron Vara Story.. is so wild. Allgedly, Peter Navarro made Ron Vara up, to have somebody to quote on why his ideas of tariffs are good for economy (because he hasn't found actual studies on that, or didn't understand them). He also used his made up persona to send his "findings" to people seeking economic advice. Trump needed a financial advisor, and since Navarro had the most agressive book cover "Death by China" on amazon.com Jared Kushner cold called him and hired him on the spot. And that's the total depth of the US economic policy at the moment. WOW. He has admitted to making up Ron Vara a few years ago. https://www.npr.org/2019/10/18/771396016/white-house-adviser-peter-navarro-calls-fictional-alter-ego-an-inside-joke But it was an 'inside joke'. Everything is a 'joke' to these guys if they get caught. Problem is the publisher didn't know it was an inside joke, nor did Navarro's co-authors who were none too pleased. He's also used this 'whimsical device' in a number of his books, and I guess he uses the sock puppet to get his most negative opinions on China into the book. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23459 Posts
On April 08 2025 22:20 Simberto wrote: Ah, another one of the libertarian socialists. We should probably start a gang or something. Too bad you're not in the US, we could have a party  8values.github.io www.politicalcompass.org | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26005 Posts
On April 09 2025 00:57 GreenHorizons wrote: Too bad you're not in the US, we could have a party 8values.github.io www.politicalcompass.org Can you do LibHorizons and ThirdHorizons too? | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium4953 Posts
As we're all globalists, what's stopping us to make a global party? | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15723 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23459 Posts
On April 09 2025 01:02 WombaT wrote: Can you do LibHorizons and ThirdHorizons too? Sure? LibHorizons: www.politicalcompass.org 8values.github.io ThirdHorizons: www.politicalcompass.org 8values.github.io On April 09 2025 01:14 Uldridge wrote: Surprise surprise, also a socialist libertarian here. Although I did answer a lot of unsure. Too many complex statements to answer sa/a/da/sda on. As we're all globalists, what's stopping us to make a global party? GH: Hmm, you mean like some sort of international party of workers? What political framework would we need in order to accommodate something like that? | ||
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Ciaus237
South Africa286 Posts
https://8values.github.io/results.html?e=71.8&d=61.1&g=63.3&s=75.4 (Social, peaceful, liberal, very progressive - while social I do like markets for some things and I think that reflects in the score). Also to be on topic: WTF is happening with the deportation case? The door feels open for Trump to just start throwing anyone he doesn't like in prisons far from any country they are a citizen of. | ||
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Yurie
11927 Posts
https://8values.github.io/results.html?e=77.6&d=80.6&g=69.1&s=82.1 Both end up mostly the same I guess. It is interesting they had no direct questions about increased taxes. Only taxes on the rich, not taxes on yourself. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15723 Posts
On April 09 2025 02:28 Ciaus237 wrote: Also to be on topic: WTF is happening with the deportation case? The door feels open for Trump to just start throwing anyone he doesn't like in prisons far from any country they are a citizen of. Its another frustrating example of laws only existing as-written without any consideration of intent. As it currently stands, the US government can legally create a situation where someone is beyond their reach as a form of imprisonment. Somehow, delivering someone to a place where the person can't be tracked, against their will, is not the fault or responsibility of the government. | ||
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