EPTLike seriously Jimmy listen to yourself. Its scary, get out of the rabbithole before its too late.
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Sadist
United States7242 Posts
Like seriously Jimmy listen to yourself. Its scary, get out of the rabbithole before its too late. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium4800 Posts
My hypothesis is that more disagreeable, less open people have a harder time with this and thus lean more on religion and ridig societal structures. When they're presented with falsities in their word view they rather entrench themselves because metamorphosis is too much stress and is too exhausting. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21711 Posts
On February 10 2025 18:13 KT_Elwood wrote: The tiny relevant point might be that your talking people vs corporations, and this thread is about people vs government.Worker strikes in Germany (late 1970 to mid 1980ties) established the 35 hour workweek in core industry sectors in germany. Coroporations were beyond PISSED at the time and tried to use illegal tactics, police, politicians to "crack down" on the workers and unions. But the arguments still hold, with giant leaps in automation at the time, a 40 hour workweek was becoming inhumane since workers now basicly just were reduced to do very repetetive tasks that would be done by a machine, if a human wasn't cheaper. 35hour workweek saved hundreds of thousands of jobs, since it directly kept the Corporations from slashing away at their human ressources and demand more hours out of them. Companies have a lot more pressure to get back to business, so long as no one is coming to drag the officials out into the street the government can just keep doing what its doing and not particularly care. Plus the government tends to be in control of the organisations with the legal use of force in society. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium4800 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25484 Posts
On February 10 2025 17:10 Hat Trick of Today wrote: A bit rich for someone to say they don’t like echo chambers when like 90% of stuff posted by said person in the Gaming Industry thread are videos of Asmongold reacting to content and parroting talking points curated by Asmongold’s own community. Like how many posts from Jimmy are accompanied by a boring ass 10-30 minute long video of some right wing influencer going through the motions? Not even real content from a conservative, every single video is from influencers obviously repeating talking points, reacting to other boring right wing influencer content, or theoretically putting out information that fits Jimmy’s argument so he can use the influencer to fight his forum debates for him. And that last bit is theoretical because I don’t think a single person has bothered to watch the videos he posts to verify if he isn’t just linking random shit he knows no one will watch. And most of those videos could be 5 minute long, I think some mistake elongated repetitiveness for thoroughness. Look I’m on a forum, and mostly this specific one because I like the old-fashioned ‘here’s my point, here’s your counter-point, here’s a response to the counter-point etc etc’ kind of dynamic. Indeed it’s to actively escape the cycle of shite influencers and ‘go watch this hour long video and get back to me’ that’s increasingly prevalent on other platforms. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10726 Posts
On February 10 2025 18:13 KT_Elwood wrote: Worker strikes in Germany (late 1970 to mid 1980ties) established the 35 hour workweek in core industry sectors in germany. Coroporations were beyond PISSED at the time and tried to use illegal tactics, police, politicians to "crack down" on the workers and unions. But the arguments still hold, with giant leaps in automation at the time, a 40 hour workweek was becoming inhumane since workers now basicly just were reduced to do very repetetive tasks that would be done by a machine, if a human wasn't cheaper. 35hour workweek saved hundreds of thousands of jobs, since it directly kept the Corporations from slashing away at their human ressources and demand more hours out of them. Thats all well and dandy. But the inconvenient truth is: Trump, Elon and the other cronies won the election by running on plenty of anti-worker messaging and the the american people decided to respond with "fuck me harder daddy" because they hate progressives/liberals so much. Good luck with organising any form of strike for more workers rights or anything that could be painted as even slightly left/anti-business of any sort. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25484 Posts
On February 10 2025 21:42 Gorsameth wrote: The tiny relevant point might be that your talking people vs corporations, and this thread is about people vs government. Companies have a lot more pressure to get back to business, so long as no one is coming to drag the officials out into the street the government can just keep doing what its doing and not particularly care. Plus the government tends to be in control of the organisations with the legal use of force in society. They’re very interlinked though, it’s rare to have any kind of large scale strike where the state doesn’t get involved in some capacity. Often because their political support base demands it. I’m a great believer in strike actions, but I think they have a particular use case, or a few. If they’re low-scale enough where it’s purely worker versus company dispute that is contained there. If you go big scale, it’s either a case where you’re pushing something already popular, that is being impeded by ostensibly democratic structures blocking it, or drawing attention to something that becomes similarly popular by exposure, and then switches to the other. Looking at the US though, I’m unsure. I don’t think you end up with ‘the people’ versus corporations, or the mechanisms of state. You end up with (roughly) half the people, versus the other half, versus the corporations and the state. That’s your problem right there. Obviously it’s a crude calculus that I’m simplifying. If you’ve a scenario where the broader populace want something, but those with the power don’t want them to have it, you can force that hand with sufficient pressure. If you’re very split as a populace, it becomes a tricky proposition. Edit - Essentially what Velr said. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7312 Posts
Same as civil rights, people hated MLK back then, popular support is stupid and bullshit and people care way too much about being popular when movements pop up these days. You dont see the fucking KKK waiting for 50%+ public support, you didn't see Nazis waiting, they took power where they can get it and ran with it. Hemming and hawing about how you'll be perceived is such Democrat-brand bullshit, stop worrying about how youll be seen and focus your energy on actually doing. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44385 Posts
On February 11 2025 01:13 Zambrah wrote: I dunno, I dont think you need broad popular support, if we've learned anything lately its that all you need is power, workers dont need the public to care, they just need to have a broad supportive organization amongst themselves and be ready and willing to fight through the ugly sorts of violence that the state will wield in defense of making sure the power of billionaires and itself aren't infringed on. Same as civil rights, people hated MLK back then, popular support is stupid and bullshit and people care way too much about being popular when movements pop up these days. You dont see the fucking KKK waiting for 50%+ public support, you didn't see Nazis waiting, they took power where they can get it and ran with it. Hemming and hawing about how you'll be perceived is such Democrat-brand bullshit, stop worrying about how youll be seen and focus your energy on actually doing. I think public perception is important to consider before you gain power, as it'll help you gain power in the first place (you need to lock in votes)... but then once you have that power, yeah you need to actually perform and get stuff done. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16715 Posts
On February 03 2025 07:33 JimmyJRaynor wrote: How can Canada and Mexico trust any deal Trump's regime makes? So Canada and Mexico fold like lawn chairs on border security once the US applies pressure with tariffs threats. Both countries commit substantial new resources to guard their respective borders. Trump promises a 30 day reprieve on possible tarrifs. Less than 10 days later Trump announces tariffs on the Steel and Aluminum imports coming in from Canada and Mexico. What a shocking and unbelievable development. Earlier it was stated on here something to the effect of "Trump has this odd/unusual fascination with tariffs". There is nothing "odd" about it. The US Government wants revenue and Trump does not want to raise income tax to do this. Tariffs are a revenue generator. All this talk from Trump about how things are "unfair" is just smoke.. its bluster and carnival barking. Trump's regime wants money. Its just as simple and straight forward as that. 80% of Canada's exports go to the USA. I think 80% of Mexico exports go to the USA as well. Before the 1988 NAFTA deal only 63% of Canada's exports went to the USA. Canada painted itself into a corner. Sooner or later a US President was going to come along and squeeze them. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7312 Posts
On February 11 2025 01:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I think public perception is important to consider before you gain power, as it'll help you gain power in the first place (you need to lock in votes)... but then once you have that power, yeah you need to actually perform and get stuff done. I was speaking more towards social movements than to electoral politics in this case, just using the Democrats as an example of what being image focused but ineffective gets you, which is crappy popularity AND nothing done | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21711 Posts
If you introduce a 25% tarrif on my product I don't make 25% less money, I charge you 25% more. | ||
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Luolis
Finland7110 Posts
On February 11 2025 01:49 JimmyJRaynor wrote: ummm ya. So Canada and Mexico fold like lawn chairs on border security once the US applies pressure with tariffs threats. Both countries commit substantial new resources to guard their respective borders. Trump promises a 30 day reprieve on possible tarrifs. Less than 10 days later Trump announces tariffs on the Steel and Aluminum imports coming in from Canada and Mexico. What a shocking and unbelievable development. Earlier it was stated on here something to the effect of "Trump has this odd/unusual fascination with tariffs". There is nothing "odd" about it. The US Government wants revenue and Trump does not want to raise income tax to do this. Tariffs are a revenue generator. All this talk from Trump about how things are "unfair" is just smoke.. its bluster and carnival barking. Trump's regime wants money. Its just as simple and straight forward as that. 80% of Canada's exports go to the USA. I think 80% of Mexico exports go to the USA as well. Before the 1988 NAFTA deal only 63% of Canada's exports went to the USA. Canada painted itself into a corner. Sooner or later a US President was going to come along and squeeze them. You realize that Canada and Mexico had done every border decision before Trump even was voted into the office, right? It's literally this meme. ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gi791ToXgAAh4WS?format=jpg&name=medium) | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44385 Posts
On February 11 2025 02:05 Zambrah wrote: I was speaking more towards social movements than to electoral politics in this case, just using the Democrats as an example of what being image focused but ineffective gets you, which is crappy popularity AND nothing done Definitely fair points. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25484 Posts
On February 11 2025 01:49 JimmyJRaynor wrote: ummm ya. So Canada and Mexico fold like lawn chairs on border security once the US applies pressure with tariffs threats. Both countries commit substantial new resources to guard their respective borders. Trump promises a 30 day reprieve on possible tarrifs. Less than 10 days later Trump announces tariffs on the Steel and Aluminum imports coming in from Canada and Mexico. What a shocking and unbelievable development. Earlier it was stated on here something to the effect of "Trump has this odd/unusual fascination with tariffs". There is nothing "odd" about it. The US Government wants revenue and Trump does not want to raise income tax to do this. Tariffs are a revenue generator. All this talk from Trump about how things are "unfair" is just smoke.. its bluster and carnival barking. Trump's regime wants money. Its just as simple and straight forward as that. 80% of Canada's exports go to the USA. I think 80% of Mexico exports go to the USA as well. Before the 1988 NAFTA deal only 63% of Canada's exports went to the USA. Canada painted itself into a corner. Sooner or later a US President was going to come along and squeeze them. It is an odd fascination, they’re not targeted in such a way to do what they’re ostensibly meant to do. There’s not much other complimentary policy to really augment it. They’re odd because they’re dangled as threats in front of long-term allies, they’re odd because they’re just not a very good idea. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium4800 Posts
All they wanted to be was apex predator alpha big king kong balled bootstrap pulling men and they couldn't do that any longer because of all the pussy shit in todays society. Now they got the reigns and it's time to show all these libcuck bitches once again what it is to be a real man. Own and humiliate, because, yeah, we have muscles and therefore this is justified. Biological realism, bitches. Get used to it. It's like one of the branching paths in Disco Elysium. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21711 Posts
On February 11 2025 03:05 Uldridge wrote: yeah and then their big 'alpha male' walks into a meeting with Netanyahu and comes out promising to take care of Gaza for him like a little bitch.It seems like it was all just about male fragility all along. All they wanted to be was apex predator alpha big king kong balled bootstrap pulling men and they couldn't do that any longer because of all the pussy shit in todays society. Now they got the reigns and it's time to show all these libcuck bitches once again what it is to be a real man. Own and humiliate, because, yeah, we have muscles and therefore this is justified. Biological realism, bitches. Get used to it. It's like one of the branching paths in Disco Elysium. Funny how it always works out that way. | ||
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Uldridge
Belgium4800 Posts
I need to vent some of my cynicism or else it's going to eat a hole in me, sorry. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18008 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15690 Posts
On February 11 2025 03:05 Uldridge wrote: It seems like it was all just about male fragility all along. All they wanted to be was apex predator alpha big king kong balled bootstrap pulling men and they couldn't do that any longer because of all the pussy shit in todays society. Now they got the reigns and it's time to show all these libcuck bitches once again what it is to be a real man. Own and humiliate, because, yeah, we have muscles and therefore this is justified. Biological realism, bitches. Get used to it. It's like one of the branching paths in Disco Elysium. This might sound like a bit of a tangent, but I don't think it is: People need to focus more closely on the incel epidemic if they want to stop the spread of fascism. I've spent a lot of time thinking about the incel epidemic because I think a lot of the explanations people use as placeholders are snide and bad faith. Even if we assume all incels or MAGA fascists are shitty people, we still need to help them. Even if we are heartless, they create enough harm that we are better off helping them. To prevent myself from being too long-winded: Western society allowed women to increase their standards faster than society improved the quality of men. Women only gained financial independence from men in 1974. The effects of that have taken a long time to manifest. The unfortunate reality is that many women were softly forced to accept shitty men because they had no other options. BUT THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE DON'T FOCUS ON ENOUGH: Men were raised to be the men they were by their parents and society as a whole. Children born today are not genetically less prone to being abusive or misogynistic. A common complaint about GenZ men is how society talks to them as if its assumed they'll run around raping people like boomers did. It is obvious to them that women shouldn't be raped. It only needs to be briefly pointed out when kids are totally fresh. We focus on reducing the harm done by men but we don't focus nearly enough on encouraging the nurturing and compassionate side of men. Tons of great men exist in the world because they were raised right and everything was peachy. They get girlfriends, wives, and raise families. But many men are left behind and simply don't have the right societal/family culture to raise them to be worthy mates. We are failing these men because we don't give them the tools they need to be what women are after. The old boomer of shit of being emotionally repressed, pretending to be stoic, and all the other male cliches we all know aren't even real are all really damaging. We all know someone who frames themselves as an iron wall of emotion and whatnot. None of it is real. Every single one of these men are deeply emotional. The result is: men who don't know how to process what they are feeling, don't know how to connect with women, don't know how to form fulfilling relationships, and end up not even having any idea who to blame. They are so left behind they just wander the internet looking for someone to soothe them. Fascism does the trick. And since people always reflexively snarl and say men can do better: THEY WERE CHILDREN WHO NEEDED TO BE RAISED BETTER. THE CHILDREN DID NOTHING WRONG. EVERY ADULT IS ONLY WHO THEY ARE BECAUSE OF THE CHILDREN THEY WERE CRAFTED INTO. | ||
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