EPTDemocrat politicians really don't respect their supporters' intelligence any more than Republicans do. Meanwhile both parties' supporters insist on demonstrating why they shouldn't.
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GreenHorizons
United States23445 Posts
Democrat politicians really don't respect their supporters' intelligence any more than Republicans do. Meanwhile both parties' supporters insist on demonstrating why they shouldn't. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10800 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15723 Posts
On February 11 2025 23:46 GreenHorizons wrote: This is a tough 1-2 combo. Schumer preemptively gives up their leverage and Jeffries rationalizes Democrat impotency by saying they have no leverage. https://twitter.com/politico/status/1888995849184698397 https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/1888718209034969571 Democrat politicians really don't respect their supporters' intelligence any more than Republicans do. Meanwhile both parties' supporters insist on demonstrating why they shouldn't. While I do legitimately think they are right to point out they have no real power in terms of budgets and whatnot, they can of course be doing civil disobedience kinda things or trying to organize general strikes etc | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23445 Posts
On February 12 2025 01:11 Mohdoo wrote: While I do legitimately think they are right to point out they have no real power in terms of budgets and whatnot, they can of course be doing civil disobedience kinda things or trying to organize general strikes etc They have power, and they have agency. They will choose to continue using them to give Trump and his fascist agenda support with their votes and rationalizations. Both parties are treating the people that are looking to them for help like oblivious idiots and their supporters are doing nothing but reinforcing that behavior for those political parties. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15723 Posts
On February 12 2025 01:38 GreenHorizons wrote: They have power, and they have agency. They will choose to continue using them to give Trump and his fascist agenda support with their votes and rationalizations. Both parties are treating the people that are looking to them for help like oblivious idiots and their supporters are doing nothing but reinforcing that behavior for those political parties. What power? Do you mean legal power? I am saying they have no institutional power because the institutions themselves have been destroyed. Doge, various EOs, and other such things have shown they will simply ignore barriers to their agenda and continue to force people to comply with his demands or fire them. If he wants the department of energy to do something, he will just fire people until they do. So even if democrats have some kinda authority to prevent a vote or something, they will still vote and the bill will be “passed” and the country will operate as if that’s legitimate. That’s why I’m saying they can’t actually stop this budget without physically preventing it. Blocking entryways or whatever is basically all they can do. If they don’t want a tree cut down, they need to physically chain themselves to the tree and hope they don’t just cut them down as well. I want to be clear I’m not defending democrats here. I see them as a relic that will be replaced soon anyway. I’m just saying I think Trump has enough power over our institutions that the rules and regulations aren’t really a valid means of preventing his agenda. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23445 Posts
On February 12 2025 02:37 Mohdoo wrote: Democrats have power/agency in a variety of capacities legal and beyond, granted their power isn't absolute and they can still lose any particular contest while wielding it. They are continuing to use it to support Trump with votes and rationalizations. What power? Do you mean legal power?+ Show Spoiler + I am saying they have no institutional power because the institutions themselves have been destroyed. Doge, various EOs, and other such things have shown they will simply ignore barriers to their agenda and continue to force people to comply with his demands or fire them. If he wants the department of energy to do something, he will just fire people until they do. So even if democrats have some kinda authority to prevent a vote or something, they will still vote and the bill will be “passed” and the country will operate as if that’s legitimate. That’s why I’m saying they can’t actually stop this budget without physically preventing it. Blocking entryways or whatever is basically all they can do. If they don’t want a tree cut down, they need to physically chain themselves to the tree and hope they don’t just cut them down as well. I want to be clear I’m not defending democrats here. I see them as a relic that will be replaced soon anyway. I’m just saying I think Trump has enough power over our institutions that the rules and regulations aren’t really a valid means of preventing his agenda. That said, it's really directed at their supporters + Show Spoiler + (which I would not be surprised to find you are the next election they tell you to be) | ||
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KT_Elwood
Germany1072 Posts
Welcome to clownworld. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7376 Posts
On February 12 2025 04:03 KT_Elwood wrote: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/greenland-rename-red-white-blue-land-trump-bill-b2696077.html Welcome to clownworld. The Onion couldn’t make this shit up lmao | ||
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Billyboy
1217 Posts
https://www.timesnownews.com/world/us/us-news/these-us-states-have-banned-crocs-footwear-from-schools-heres-why-article-118129405 | ||
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brian
United States9629 Posts
On February 12 2025 07:02 Billyboy wrote: Going to need hero Trump to block these, crocs are being banned in 20 states! https://www.timesnownews.com/world/us/us-news/these-us-states-have-banned-crocs-footwear-from-schools-heres-why-article-118129405 These absolute CRIMINALS in the department of education. i got rid of that by the way. you’re welcome. they love me for it. but these democrat run slums in our schools are banning crocs. they have bigger problems, i’ll tell you, we got rid of CRT but they’re still INDOCTRINATING our CHILDREN. the future of america. you’ll never believe it, i’ve never seen anything like it. anyway so these crocs. Tim Croc call me. we’ll figure something out. $2m in $TRUMP with proof of purchase just call my lawyers i’ll have this fixed by friday. it’ll be huge. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15723 Posts
On February 12 2025 03:21 GreenHorizons wrote: Democrats have power/agency in a variety of capacities legal and beyond, granted their power isn't absolute and they can still lose any particular contest while wielding it. They are continuing to use it to support Trump with votes and rationalizations. That said, it's really directed at their supporters + Show Spoiler + (which I would not be surprised to find you are the next election they tell you to be) Well I didn't vote for Harris and I changed my party affiliation, but it doesn't really matter either way because I live in Oregon and I can suck myself off for taking a stand knowing it will never change anything. I don't plan to vote for democrats again. To be honest, I see the whole focus on democrats as a distraction. Not to say you're trying to divert the conversation, but the current democrat leadership has shown they are totally inept and they will absolutely not be rising against fascism. If we end up saved from fascism, it won't have anything to do with democrats. It will be some other group that emerges. So voting for democrats is kind of a non-thing at this point. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23445 Posts
On February 12 2025 07:53 Mohdoo wrote: Well I didn't vote for Harris and I changed my party affiliation, but it doesn't really matter either way because I live in Oregon and I can suck myself off for taking a stand knowing it will never change anything. I don't plan to vote for democrats again. To be honest, I see the whole focus on democrats as a distraction. Not to say you're trying to divert the conversation, but the current democrat leadership has shown they are totally inept and they will absolutely not be rising against fascism. If we end up saved from fascism, it won't have anything to do with democrats. It will be some other group that emerges. So voting for democrats is kind of a non-thing at this point. Hope you stick with it and find a replacement for your support of Democrats sooner than later. Part of my point is that basically all the other posters (and people beyond this site) who insisted on pushing that people like me should support Democrats, have not abandoned the Democrat party, and their only plan to oppose the rise of fascism is supporting/voting for Democrats (that are supporting Trump's fascist agenda) in a couple years (while making excuses for them/rationalizing their impotence until then), fleeing the country, or joining the fascists. Basically, supporting Democrats and opposing fascism are functionally mutually exclusive. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15723 Posts
On February 12 2025 08:14 GreenHorizons wrote: Hope you stick with it and find a replacement for your support of Democrats sooner than later. Part of my point is that basically all the other posters (and people beyond this site) who insisted on pushing that people like me should support Democrats, have not abandoned the Democrat party, and their only plan to oppose the rise of fascism is supporting/voting for Democrats (that are supporting Trump's fascist agenda) in a couple years (while making excuses for them/rationalizing their impotence until then), fleeing the country, or joining the fascists. Basically, supporting Democrats and opposing fascism are functionally mutually exclusive. Eh, I think folks saying they'll still vote for democrats haven't really worked through the logic chain yet. If Trump creates a fascist dictatorship of the US --> Opposition leaders will be killed If opposition leaders know they will be killed --> Democrats will not be opposition leaders No democrat imagines Schumer or Jeffries risking their lives to stand against fascism. They were not revolutionary politicians. They did not rise through the ranks despite enormous danger simply by being politically active. If a bunch of CIA dudes bust into a hotel to kill some dude, the security guard at the entrance to the hotel is not a "able to defend against the CIA" kinda fighter. He is a security guard and makes sure no one who had too much to drink makes a scene. Schumer/Jeffries are the security guards. They are not special forces. If fascism is defeated, it will be by an entirely different group of people. It will be people who started their whole shpeal knowing they will definitely end up dead. If fascism fully takes hold and someone rises against it, those first couple of leaders are definitely 100% going to be killed. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44992 Posts
On February 12 2025 04:03 KT_Elwood wrote: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/greenland-rename-red-white-blue-land-trump-bill-b2696077.html Welcome to clownworld. Oh ffs. On February 12 2025 07:02 Billyboy wrote: Going to need hero Trump to block these, crocs are being banned in 20 states! https://www.timesnownews.com/world/us/us-news/these-us-states-have-banned-crocs-footwear-from-schools-heres-why-article-118129405 That's actually pretty interesting to me; my high school students have loved wearing crocs for at least the past decade. They like to buy/wear all different colors, and customize them with different pins/magnets/whatever. It's not a particularly new fad, so I feel like students would have been tripping and hurting themselves for years already (seems like a weird time to decide to start banning them for safety reasons). | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23445 Posts
On February 12 2025 08:44 Mohdoo wrote: I'm having the experience that they have and are choosing fascism. Right now they are just distracting themselves until they feel more comfortable/less ashamed going back to insisting on supporting Democrats like we haven't been watching them support Trump's fascist agenda. Eh, I think folks saying they'll still vote for democrats haven't really worked through the logic chain yet. + Show Spoiler + If Trump creates a fascist dictatorship of the US --> Opposition leaders will be killed If opposition leaders know they will be killed --> Democrats will not be opposition leaders No democrat imagines Schumer or Jeffries risking their lives to stand against fascism. They were not revolutionary politicians. They did not rise through the ranks despite enormous danger simply by being politically active. If a bunch of CIA dudes bust into a hotel to kill some dude, the security guard at the entrance to the hotel is not a "able to defend against the CIA" kinda fighter. He is a security guard and makes sure no one who had too much to drink makes a scene. Schumer/Jeffries are the security guards. They are not special forces. If fascism is defeated, it will be by an entirely different group of people. It will be people who started their whole shpeal knowing they will definitely end up dead. If fascism fully takes hold and someone rises against it, those first couple of leaders are definitely 100% going to be killed. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15723 Posts
On February 12 2025 09:39 GreenHorizons wrote: I'm having the experience that they have and are choosing fascism. Right now they are just distracting themselves until they feel more comfortable/less ashamed going back to insisting on supporting Democrats like we haven't been watching them support Trump's fascist agenda. I think its worth remembering: the full-ass implications of the US becoming a fascist dictatorship are so devastating and dreadful most people will not really even look at it until its smashed into their faces. It is horrific and very scary. And so long as there is a glimmer of hope we might all be overreacting and this eventually fades, a very tiny % of people will even entertain the idea. Even if cynical and doomy friends are still kinda joking about it and not expressing any genuine level of concern. It won't be for a while. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14041 Posts
I have no idea why you expect people to be there for you when you refuse to be there for them, and go so far as to make it harder for anything better to come to the world. You can't shit on the dems and complain about what the republicans are doing when you refuse to even legitimize the system with being involved. I don't know what world you think you're trying to build GH, but you're going to need Kwarks support to get there. In what world do you think you are working to convince Kwark to support you when you just call him no different than MAGA republicans? | ||
KwarK
United States43197 Posts
Not voting for them because they didn’t rule because they didn’t win because people didn’t vote for them is circular. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9713 Posts
On February 12 2025 04:03 KT_Elwood wrote: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/greenland-rename-red-white-blue-land-trump-bill-b2696077.html Welcome to clownworld. Two can play that game. I think we should rename the EU to 'up yours, America'. | ||
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Husyelt
United States837 Posts
Hey everyone look, the actual deep state, with bonus NKVD vibes. DOGE is going to be attached to every single thing in the government, with a special kommisar to make sure party loyalty remains strong. | ||
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