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On February 08 2025 04:15 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2025 01:31 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On February 08 2025 00:49 GreenHorizons wrote:
This is surreal. Some random dipshit can just tell Congress they aren't allowed in to the Department of Education and they just listen.
Maybe get your own muscle, open the door, and stop the criminal white supremacists hacking on the US government computers inside?!?
What I do I know, I'm sure repeating to him that "you can't do this" while he in fact "does this" is going to work.
EDIT: The reporter saying "who is in the brown, uhh, tan looking shirt." was a little too on the nose This just in: Dems refuse to get violent with someone and therefore are toothless in their attempt to stop the buttfuckery of trump and his brown shirt goons. This and more at 6. Unironically yes. Not necesarilly just Dems, but most of the civilized section of society. If all it takes to take over a government instutition is a single moonlighting bouncer paid a 20 to sit in front of a door I don't like our odds. This is a caricature of the paradox of tolerance.
I've been trying to explain this to them since before Biden was even the nominee. They can't draw a line. Not even at losing control of government buildings to a random brownshirt and some teenage tech bros raiding the computer systems.
They all advocate fascism tolerance absolutism. As if they don't also readily know "free speech absolutism" is stupid.
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Yeah this is simply not a task democrats are fit for handling. While I wish the situation was different, I think this is going to be the mechanism through which a new left-leaning party is formed. As has always been the case in history, some people will have the courage to stand up and be willing to make sacrifices for the sake of our country. Those people, if they succeed, will entirely replace democrats in American politics. Glad I already changed my party affiliation and won't need to down the road.
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On February 08 2025 04:53 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2025 04:15 Dan HH wrote:On February 08 2025 01:31 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On February 08 2025 00:49 GreenHorizons wrote:This is surreal. Some random dipshit can just tell Congress they aren't allowed in to the Department of Education and they just listen. https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1887888410779783548Maybe get your own muscle, open the door, and stop the criminal white supremacists hacking on the US government computers inside?!? What I do I know, I'm sure repeating to him that "you can't do this" while he in fact "does this" is going to work. EDIT: The reporter saying "who is in the brown, uhh, tan looking shirt." was a little too on the nose This just in: Dems refuse to get violent with someone and therefore are toothless in their attempt to stop the buttfuckery of trump and his brown shirt goons. This and more at 6. Unironically yes. Not necesarilly just Dems, but most of the civilized section of society. If all it takes to take over a government instutition is a single moonlighting bouncer paid a 20 to sit in front of a door I don't like our odds. This is a caricature of the paradox of tolerance. I've been trying to explain this to them since before Biden was even the nominee. They can't draw a line. Not even at losing control of government buildings to a random brownshirt and some teenage tech bros raiding the computer systems. They all advocate fascism tolerance absolutism. As if they don't also readily know "free speech absolutism" is stupid.
No, this is some nonsense bad faith argument you made up. You seem to genuinely believe that it's some kind of amazing point but to everyone else you look like Kanye.
The line isn't defined, the action to be taken it the line is crossed isn't defined, and there is no explanation of why any of us should be the ones enforcing that line. You never provide your line, or the actions you have taken, or will take, when it was crossed.
How many smurfberries is the economy worth? Name the number if you dare.
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On February 08 2025 06:24 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2025 04:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 08 2025 04:15 Dan HH wrote:On February 08 2025 01:31 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On February 08 2025 00:49 GreenHorizons wrote:This is surreal. Some random dipshit can just tell Congress they aren't allowed in to the Department of Education and they just listen. https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1887888410779783548Maybe get your own muscle, open the door, and stop the criminal white supremacists hacking on the US government computers inside?!? What I do I know, I'm sure repeating to him that "you can't do this" while he in fact "does this" is going to work. EDIT: The reporter saying "who is in the brown, uhh, tan looking shirt." was a little too on the nose This just in: Dems refuse to get violent with someone and therefore are toothless in their attempt to stop the buttfuckery of trump and his brown shirt goons. This and more at 6. Unironically yes. Not necesarilly just Dems, but most of the civilized section of society. If all it takes to take over a government instutition is a single moonlighting bouncer paid a 20 to sit in front of a door I don't like our odds. This is a caricature of the paradox of tolerance. I've been trying to explain this to them since before Biden was even the nominee. They can't draw a line. Not even at losing control of government buildings to a random brownshirt and some teenage tech bros raiding the computer systems. They all advocate fascism tolerance absolutism. As if they don't also readily know "free speech absolutism" is stupid. No, this is some nonsense bad faith argument you made up. You seem to genuinely believe that it's some kind of amazing point but to everyone else you look like Kanye. The line isn't defined, the action to be taken it the line is crossed isn't defined, and there is no explanation of why any of us should be the ones enforcing that line. You never provide your line, or the actions you have taken, or will take, when it was crossed. How many smurfberries is the economy worth? Name the number if you dare.
I think the issue is that the entire party was formed and everyone was elected during distinctly non-fascist environments. The people being elected didn't need to be heroic or principled. Its not what voters demanded. It is reasonable for democrats to be totally unequipped to deal with all this. Just force their way past the guards? When they have guns? That is simply not a Chuck Schumer thing to do. There are some folks who may rise to the challenge, but by and large, it shouldn't be a surprise for democrat political leaders to not be composed as revolutionaries or hardened fighters.
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On February 08 2025 06:24 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2025 04:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 08 2025 04:15 Dan HH wrote:On February 08 2025 01:31 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On February 08 2025 00:49 GreenHorizons wrote:This is surreal. Some random dipshit can just tell Congress they aren't allowed in to the Department of Education and they just listen. https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1887888410779783548Maybe get your own muscle, open the door, and stop the criminal white supremacists hacking on the US government computers inside?!? What I do I know, I'm sure repeating to him that "you can't do this" while he in fact "does this" is going to work. EDIT: The reporter saying "who is in the brown, uhh, tan looking shirt." was a little too on the nose This just in: Dems refuse to get violent with someone and therefore are toothless in their attempt to stop the buttfuckery of trump and his brown shirt goons. This and more at 6. Unironically yes. Not necesarilly just Dems, but most of the civilized section of society. If all it takes to take over a government instutition is a single moonlighting bouncer paid a 20 to sit in front of a door I don't like our odds. This is a caricature of the paradox of tolerance. I've been trying to explain this to them since before Biden was even the nominee. They can't draw a line. Not even at losing control of government buildings to a random brownshirt and some teenage tech bros raiding the computer systems. They all advocate fascism tolerance absolutism. As if they don't also readily know "free speech absolutism" is stupid. No, this is some nonsense bad faith argument you made up. You seem to genuinely believe that it's some kind of amazing point but to everyone else you look like Kanye. The line isn't defined, the action to be taken it the line is crossed isn't defined, and there is no explanation of why any of us should be the ones enforcing that line. + Show Spoiler + You never provide your line, or the actions you have taken, or will take, when it was crossed.
How many smurfberries is the economy worth? Name the number if you dare.
Yes, I look like I'm praising Hitler during a mental health episode because I'm pointing out that you all don't have a line for which your primary plan for staving off fascism will no longer be relying on voting for the Democrats in a couple years, fleeing the country, or joining the fascists. You are embarrassing yourself. Do better.
As to what action? I've said countless times, but I personally endorse revolutionary socialism. I'm open to any good idea. My point is and has been that your plan just shouldn't/can't be relying on voting for the Democrats in a couple years, fleeing the country, or joining the fascists. Because that's literally just a plan to lose to fascism.
Dan was rightly pointing out that if not just Dems, but regular everyday people, can lose their government buildings to just some random dipshit brownshirt, we're in trouble. Anyone that can't recognize that is being irrational.
The other point that comes along with this is that I don't actually expect Democrats to do much of anything, I just need them to stfu and fall in line to support the people that will and are, instead of siding with the fascists like they typically do.
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On February 08 2025 07:17 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2025 06:24 KwarK wrote:On February 08 2025 04:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 08 2025 04:15 Dan HH wrote:On February 08 2025 01:31 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On February 08 2025 00:49 GreenHorizons wrote:This is surreal. Some random dipshit can just tell Congress they aren't allowed in to the Department of Education and they just listen. https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1887888410779783548Maybe get your own muscle, open the door, and stop the criminal white supremacists hacking on the US government computers inside?!? What I do I know, I'm sure repeating to him that "you can't do this" while he in fact "does this" is going to work. EDIT: The reporter saying "who is in the brown, uhh, tan looking shirt." was a little too on the nose This just in: Dems refuse to get violent with someone and therefore are toothless in their attempt to stop the buttfuckery of trump and his brown shirt goons. This and more at 6. Unironically yes. Not necesarilly just Dems, but most of the civilized section of society. If all it takes to take over a government instutition is a single moonlighting bouncer paid a 20 to sit in front of a door I don't like our odds. This is a caricature of the paradox of tolerance. I've been trying to explain this to them since before Biden was even the nominee. They can't draw a line. Not even at losing control of government buildings to a random brownshirt and some teenage tech bros raiding the computer systems. They all advocate fascism tolerance absolutism. As if they don't also readily know "free speech absolutism" is stupid. No, this is some nonsense bad faith argument you made up. You seem to genuinely believe that it's some kind of amazing point but to everyone else you look like Kanye. The line isn't defined, the action to be taken it the line is crossed isn't defined, and there is no explanation of why any of us should be the ones enforcing that line. + Show Spoiler + You never provide your line, or the actions you have taken, or will take, when it was crossed.
How many smurfberries is the economy worth? Name the number if you dare. Yes, I look like I'm praising Hitler during a mental health episode because I'm pointing out that you all don't have a line for which your primary plan for staving off fascism will no longer be relying on voting for the Democrats in a couple years, fleeing the country, or joining the fascists. You are embarrassing yourself. Do better. As to what action? I've said countless times, but I personally endorse revolutionary socialism. I'm open to any good idea. My point is and has been that your plan just shouldn't/can't be relying on voting for the Democrats in a couple years, fleeing the country, or joining the fascists. Because that's literally just a plan to lose to fascism. Dan was rightly pointing out that if not just Dems, but regular everyday people, can lose their government buildings to just some random dipshit brownshirt, we're in trouble. Anyone that can't recognize that is being irrational. The other point that comes along with this is that I don't actually expect Democrats to do much of anything, I just need them to stfu and fall in line to support the people that will and are, instead of siding with the fascists like they typically do.
You keep saying that. I sympathize. But I'm (1) not a revolutionary, and (2) over in Spain and can't do much about your fascist government. But I'll say that if the Falange was seizing power again here in Spain, I'd probably be doing more to stop them than you are. At the very least, I'd be joining one of the mass protests that absolutely would be happening all over this country, not complaining about my fellows' inactivity.
E: and just to be clear, there are Democrats doing something. It isn't massive and it is too little too late. But if you're looking for people who are doing something, maybe don't burn all the bridges... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/feb/07/heres-how-democrats-should-fight-back-against-trump
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On February 08 2025 07:53 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2025 07:17 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 08 2025 06:24 KwarK wrote:On February 08 2025 04:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 08 2025 04:15 Dan HH wrote:On February 08 2025 01:31 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On February 08 2025 00:49 GreenHorizons wrote:This is surreal. Some random dipshit can just tell Congress they aren't allowed in to the Department of Education and they just listen. https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1887888410779783548Maybe get your own muscle, open the door, and stop the criminal white supremacists hacking on the US government computers inside?!? What I do I know, I'm sure repeating to him that "you can't do this" while he in fact "does this" is going to work. EDIT: The reporter saying "who is in the brown, uhh, tan looking shirt." was a little too on the nose This just in: Dems refuse to get violent with someone and therefore are toothless in their attempt to stop the buttfuckery of trump and his brown shirt goons. This and more at 6. Unironically yes. Not necesarilly just Dems, but most of the civilized section of society. If all it takes to take over a government instutition is a single moonlighting bouncer paid a 20 to sit in front of a door I don't like our odds. This is a caricature of the paradox of tolerance. I've been trying to explain this to them since before Biden was even the nominee. They can't draw a line. Not even at losing control of government buildings to a random brownshirt and some teenage tech bros raiding the computer systems. They all advocate fascism tolerance absolutism. As if they don't also readily know "free speech absolutism" is stupid. No, this is some nonsense bad faith argument you made up. You seem to genuinely believe that it's some kind of amazing point but to everyone else you look like Kanye. The line isn't defined, the action to be taken it the line is crossed isn't defined, and there is no explanation of why any of us should be the ones enforcing that line. + Show Spoiler + You never provide your line, or the actions you have taken, or will take, when it was crossed.
How many smurfberries is the economy worth? Name the number if you dare. Yes, I look like I'm praising Hitler during a mental health episode because I'm pointing out that you all don't have a line for which your primary plan for staving off fascism will no longer be relying on voting for the Democrats in a couple years, fleeing the country, or joining the fascists. You are embarrassing yourself. Do better. As to what action? I've said countless times, but I personally endorse revolutionary socialism. I'm open to any good idea. My point is and has been that your plan just shouldn't/can't be relying on voting for the Democrats in a couple years, fleeing the country, or joining the fascists. Because that's literally just a plan to lose to fascism. Dan was rightly pointing out that if not just Dems, but regular everyday people, can lose their government buildings to just some random dipshit brownshirt, we're in trouble. Anyone that can't recognize that is being irrational. The other point that comes along with this is that I don't actually expect Democrats to do much of anything, I just need them to stfu and fall in line to support the people that will and are, instead of siding with the fascists like they typically do. You keep saying that. I sympathize. But I'm (1) not a revolutionary, and (2) over in Spain and can't do much about your fascist government. But I'll say that if the Falange was seizing power again here in Spain, I'd probably be doing more to stop them than you are. At the very least, I'd be joining one of the mass protests that absolutely would be happening all over this country, not complaining about my fellows' inactivity. E: and just to be clear, there are Democrats doing something. It isn't massive and it is too little too late. But if you're looking for people who are doing something, maybe don't burn all the bridges... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/feb/07/heres-how-democrats-should-fight-back-against-trump Kwark, Mohdoo, and others are in the US, for now. This is also the US politics thread.
I've obviously made it clear that any socialism (within reason) is better than relying on primary strategy of voting for the Democrats in a couple years, fleeing the country, or joining the fascists. So no one need jump straight to being revolutionary.
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If you are wondering specifically how you could help people in the US prevent the rise of fascism without being revolutionary, you could start with supporting socialist orgs in the US. Not a penny or a minute to spare for the fight against fascism (surviving capitalism is gnarly)? Redirecting a fraction of the time spent in the US politics thread to participating in good faith in my blog is an excellent start for anyone that actually has any desire to do anything about the rising tide of fascism beyond the primary strategy of relying on voting for the Democrats in a couple years, fleeing the country, or joining the fascists.
As to the opinion column you posted... Most of all, prepare for the midterms elections next year yeah, no, seems like they understand the urgency perfectly... @Neb, this is an example of when I was describing how lib/Dems exploit their more ostensibly progressive members to argue against the actually functional direct action politics we require in the US to accomplish anything of positive significance.
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On February 08 2025 07:53 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2025 07:17 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 08 2025 06:24 KwarK wrote:On February 08 2025 04:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 08 2025 04:15 Dan HH wrote:On February 08 2025 01:31 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On February 08 2025 00:49 GreenHorizons wrote:This is surreal. Some random dipshit can just tell Congress they aren't allowed in to the Department of Education and they just listen. https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1887888410779783548Maybe get your own muscle, open the door, and stop the criminal white supremacists hacking on the US government computers inside?!? What I do I know, I'm sure repeating to him that "you can't do this" while he in fact "does this" is going to work. EDIT: The reporter saying "who is in the brown, uhh, tan looking shirt." was a little too on the nose This just in: Dems refuse to get violent with someone and therefore are toothless in their attempt to stop the buttfuckery of trump and his brown shirt goons. This and more at 6. Unironically yes. Not necesarilly just Dems, but most of the civilized section of society. If all it takes to take over a government instutition is a single moonlighting bouncer paid a 20 to sit in front of a door I don't like our odds. This is a caricature of the paradox of tolerance. I've been trying to explain this to them since before Biden was even the nominee. They can't draw a line. Not even at losing control of government buildings to a random brownshirt and some teenage tech bros raiding the computer systems. They all advocate fascism tolerance absolutism. As if they don't also readily know "free speech absolutism" is stupid. No, this is some nonsense bad faith argument you made up. You seem to genuinely believe that it's some kind of amazing point but to everyone else you look like Kanye. The line isn't defined, the action to be taken it the line is crossed isn't defined, and there is no explanation of why any of us should be the ones enforcing that line. + Show Spoiler + You never provide your line, or the actions you have taken, or will take, when it was crossed.
How many smurfberries is the economy worth? Name the number if you dare. Yes, I look like I'm praising Hitler during a mental health episode because I'm pointing out that you all don't have a line for which your primary plan for staving off fascism will no longer be relying on voting for the Democrats in a couple years, fleeing the country, or joining the fascists. You are embarrassing yourself. Do better. As to what action? I've said countless times, but I personally endorse revolutionary socialism. I'm open to any good idea. My point is and has been that your plan just shouldn't/can't be relying on voting for the Democrats in a couple years, fleeing the country, or joining the fascists. Because that's literally just a plan to lose to fascism. Dan was rightly pointing out that if not just Dems, but regular everyday people, can lose their government buildings to just some random dipshit brownshirt, we're in trouble. Anyone that can't recognize that is being irrational. The other point that comes along with this is that I don't actually expect Democrats to do much of anything, I just need them to stfu and fall in line to support the people that will and are, instead of siding with the fascists like they typically do. You keep saying that. I sympathize. But I'm (1) not a revolutionary, and (2) over in Spain and can't do much about your fascist government. But I'll say that if the Falange was seizing power again here in Spain, I'd probably be doing more to stop them than you are. At the very least, I'd be joining one of the mass protests that absolutely would be happening all over this country, not complaining about my fellows' inactivity. E: and just to be clear, there are Democrats doing something. It isn't massive and it is too little too late. But if you're looking for people who are doing something, maybe don't burn all the bridges... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/feb/07/heres-how-democrats-should-fight-back-against-trump
I think GH is right to be screaming at everyone to get off their asses and do something. As much as I understand the whole dynamic of not wanting to make people defensive and tune it all out, "fascist takeover of the country" is definitely super high up on the list of reasons to "get up and go help". You could argue the US being the top military power of the world also gives Americans a responsibility to humanity to go out and try to make a difference. Other country's with a bit more self respect and courage can't protest in our place. Americans need to brush the dust off and go toss some tea in the ocean so to speak.
Edit: Imagine if this whole thing keeps spiraling and Trump decides its time to take Canada and Greenland by force. Imagine an actual full-ass occupation of Canada. All of these things feel inconceivable as if plot armor will protect the world. But it could absolutely happen. There is a reason the world emerged from WW2 with an incredibly sharp "absolutely no fascism, no matter what, because its truly terrible" world view. Shit is terrible. It can ruin the world.
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On February 08 2025 09:02 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2025 07:53 Acrofales wrote:On February 08 2025 07:17 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 08 2025 06:24 KwarK wrote:On February 08 2025 04:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 08 2025 04:15 Dan HH wrote:On February 08 2025 01:31 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On February 08 2025 00:49 GreenHorizons wrote:This is surreal. Some random dipshit can just tell Congress they aren't allowed in to the Department of Education and they just listen. https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1887888410779783548Maybe get your own muscle, open the door, and stop the criminal white supremacists hacking on the US government computers inside?!? What I do I know, I'm sure repeating to him that "you can't do this" while he in fact "does this" is going to work. EDIT: The reporter saying "who is in the brown, uhh, tan looking shirt." was a little too on the nose This just in: Dems refuse to get violent with someone and therefore are toothless in their attempt to stop the buttfuckery of trump and his brown shirt goons. This and more at 6. Unironically yes. Not necesarilly just Dems, but most of the civilized section of society. If all it takes to take over a government instutition is a single moonlighting bouncer paid a 20 to sit in front of a door I don't like our odds. This is a caricature of the paradox of tolerance. I've been trying to explain this to them since before Biden was even the nominee. They can't draw a line. Not even at losing control of government buildings to a random brownshirt and some teenage tech bros raiding the computer systems. They all advocate fascism tolerance absolutism. As if they don't also readily know "free speech absolutism" is stupid. No, this is some nonsense bad faith argument you made up. You seem to genuinely believe that it's some kind of amazing point but to everyone else you look like Kanye. The line isn't defined, the action to be taken it the line is crossed isn't defined, and there is no explanation of why any of us should be the ones enforcing that line. + Show Spoiler + You never provide your line, or the actions you have taken, or will take, when it was crossed.
How many smurfberries is the economy worth? Name the number if you dare. Yes, I look like I'm praising Hitler during a mental health episode because I'm pointing out that you all don't have a line for which your primary plan for staving off fascism will no longer be relying on voting for the Democrats in a couple years, fleeing the country, or joining the fascists. You are embarrassing yourself. Do better. As to what action? I've said countless times, but I personally endorse revolutionary socialism. I'm open to any good idea. My point is and has been that your plan just shouldn't/can't be relying on voting for the Democrats in a couple years, fleeing the country, or joining the fascists. Because that's literally just a plan to lose to fascism. Dan was rightly pointing out that if not just Dems, but regular everyday people, can lose their government buildings to just some random dipshit brownshirt, we're in trouble. Anyone that can't recognize that is being irrational. The other point that comes along with this is that I don't actually expect Democrats to do much of anything, I just need them to stfu and fall in line to support the people that will and are, instead of siding with the fascists like they typically do. You keep saying that. I sympathize. But I'm (1) not a revolutionary, and (2) over in Spain and can't do much about your fascist government. But I'll say that if the Falange was seizing power again here in Spain, I'd probably be doing more to stop them than you are. At the very least, I'd be joining one of the mass protests that absolutely would be happening all over this country, not complaining about my fellows' inactivity. E: and just to be clear, there are Democrats doing something. It isn't massive and it is too little too late. But if you're looking for people who are doing something, maybe don't burn all the bridges... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/feb/07/heres-how-democrats-should-fight-back-against-trump I think GH is right to be screaming at everyone to get off their asses and do something. As much as I understand the whole dynamic of not wanting to make people defensive and tune it all out, "fascist takeover of the country" is definitely super high up on the list of reasons to "get up and go help". You could argue the US being the top military power of the world also gives Americans a responsibility to humanity to go out and try to make a difference. Other country's with a bit more self respect and courage can't protest in our place. Americans need to brush the dust off and go toss some tea in the ocean so to speak. Edit: Imagine if this whole thing keeps spiraling and Trump decides its time to take Canada and Greenland by force. Imagine an actual full-ass occupation of Canada. All of these things feel inconceivable as if plot armor will protect the world. But it could absolutely happen. There is a reason the world emerged from WW2 with an incredibly sharp "absolutely no fascism, no matter what, because its truly terrible" world view. Shit is terrible. It can ruin the world.
This AF. This is the possibly the most critical moment for humanity that any of us have been alive for and you guys are trying to treat it like another shitpost to doomscroll past and make smartass comments about.
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I think you're doing the right thing, GH. But I also think for many people, this is one of those weird dynamics where the human brain is truly not processing it. Its similar to people feeling numb when they are suddenly told a family member died.
Then there's also the whole "nothing ever happens" thing. You could argue all the warnings for the past 10 years have made people tune it out and not take it seriously. This whole thing taking so long is making people assume its just political theater or just diplomatic hard ball or whatever. I think even politically minded people will not actually see reality until troops pull people out of the office job for a twitter post or something. Or Canada is actually bombed or something.
For me, the main thing that has kinda kept me from losing my mind and panicking is the military. By all indications, Elon Musk is succeeding in staging a coup. It seems like he basically bought the presidency and is going ape shit knowing Trump will defend him at every turn. This is the kinda thing I would have thought the military would have a contingency plan for. We have war game scenarios for zombie invasion. The idea that this is some kinda blind spot for the US military, with so many time to see this coming, is not possible to me. Either their war game scenario indicates they let things slide right up until the point of being ordered against Americans/allied nations, or I am misunderstanding the situation.
GH, out of curiosity, why do you think the military is pretending nothing is happening? Once all the stuff with the treasury happened, I got a big sinking feeling in my stomach but the military doing nothing gave me a bit of reassurance, as silly as that sounds. The fact that they aren't doing anything makes me assume I am more worried than I should be.
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Northern Ireland23717 Posts
On February 08 2025 07:53 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2025 07:17 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 08 2025 06:24 KwarK wrote:On February 08 2025 04:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 08 2025 04:15 Dan HH wrote:On February 08 2025 01:31 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On February 08 2025 00:49 GreenHorizons wrote:This is surreal. Some random dipshit can just tell Congress they aren't allowed in to the Department of Education and they just listen. https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1887888410779783548Maybe get your own muscle, open the door, and stop the criminal white supremacists hacking on the US government computers inside?!? What I do I know, I'm sure repeating to him that "you can't do this" while he in fact "does this" is going to work. EDIT: The reporter saying "who is in the brown, uhh, tan looking shirt." was a little too on the nose This just in: Dems refuse to get violent with someone and therefore are toothless in their attempt to stop the buttfuckery of trump and his brown shirt goons. This and more at 6. Unironically yes. Not necesarilly just Dems, but most of the civilized section of society. If all it takes to take over a government instutition is a single moonlighting bouncer paid a 20 to sit in front of a door I don't like our odds. This is a caricature of the paradox of tolerance. I've been trying to explain this to them since before Biden was even the nominee. They can't draw a line. Not even at losing control of government buildings to a random brownshirt and some teenage tech bros raiding the computer systems. They all advocate fascism tolerance absolutism. As if they don't also readily know "free speech absolutism" is stupid. No, this is some nonsense bad faith argument you made up. You seem to genuinely believe that it's some kind of amazing point but to everyone else you look like Kanye. The line isn't defined, the action to be taken it the line is crossed isn't defined, and there is no explanation of why any of us should be the ones enforcing that line. + Show Spoiler + You never provide your line, or the actions you have taken, or will take, when it was crossed.
How many smurfberries is the economy worth? Name the number if you dare. Yes, I look like I'm praising Hitler during a mental health episode because I'm pointing out that you all don't have a line for which your primary plan for staving off fascism will no longer be relying on voting for the Democrats in a couple years, fleeing the country, or joining the fascists. You are embarrassing yourself. Do better. As to what action? I've said countless times, but I personally endorse revolutionary socialism. I'm open to any good idea. My point is and has been that your plan just shouldn't/can't be relying on voting for the Democrats in a couple years, fleeing the country, or joining the fascists. Because that's literally just a plan to lose to fascism. Dan was rightly pointing out that if not just Dems, but regular everyday people, can lose their government buildings to just some random dipshit brownshirt, we're in trouble. Anyone that can't recognize that is being irrational. The other point that comes along with this is that I don't actually expect Democrats to do much of anything, I just need them to stfu and fall in line to support the people that will and are, instead of siding with the fascists like they typically do. You keep saying that. I sympathize. But I'm (1) not a revolutionary, and (2) over in Spain and can't do much about your fascist government. But I'll say that if the Falange was seizing power again here in Spain, I'd probably be doing more to stop them than you are. At the very least, I'd be joining one of the mass protests that absolutely would be happening all over this country, not complaining about my fellows' inactivity. E: and just to be clear, there are Democrats doing something. It isn't massive and it is too little too late. But if you're looking for people who are doing something, maybe don't burn all the bridges... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/feb/07/heres-how-democrats-should-fight-back-against-trump
I feel a bit of ‘blessed are those who plant trees under whose shade they’ll never sit’ with socialism these days. I dunno if I’ll see even the low-end of what I’d like to see ideally anywhere before I pop me clogs, much less in the US.
Still, folks gotta keep on fighting that good fight. It’s just not something I’d rely on in the toolkit for the right here, right now rather serious problems standing in front of us.
Your last point I feel is pretty instructive.
1. Most people are followers.
2. There is a substantial, albeit not majoritarian agreement or sympathy that many, many things are fundamentally broken, dysfunctional or undesirable to whatever degree.
So in combination I think you end up with ‘I want to do something, somebody stick something in front of me that I can do.’ Something easy. Not necessarily easy to do, but something that has a clear, obvious link to redressing your issue in whatever degree. Here’s a somewhat clear plan, here’s a protest we’re organising on this date, pop along.
I also think to some degree you’ve got to compartmentalise, or at least advocate for differing political goals in parallel. I’m not advocating people drop their end goals and principles, just don’t necessarily bring them to every table you know?
Conservatives seem to be able to do this, although as I frequently point out and warn, I don’t think the left can just wholesale copy their playbook. It’s somewhat hamstrung less by divergence of opinion itself, and more by consistency and ideological commitment and thus the narcissism of petty differences consumes things.
In a sense, maybe just make things a more simplistic, almost single-issue kind of deal.
Irish Nationalists sure as fuck had different ideas of what they wanted an independent Ireland to actually look like, and hell had a Civil War over it. But not before they’d shelved differences for a sufficient time to gain momentum.
‘Look lads and ladettes, let’s figure out a way to deal with this Fascism craic and then sure, many of us will go our separate ways.’
I’m grossly simplifying, obviously but I think the broader underpinning point is somewhat clear.
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United States41932 Posts
"name your line, hah, you can't!" is a bullshit question
what's the line that Trump has to cross before you finally do a socialism
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Northern Ireland23717 Posts
On February 08 2025 09:02 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2025 07:53 Acrofales wrote:On February 08 2025 07:17 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 08 2025 06:24 KwarK wrote:On February 08 2025 04:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 08 2025 04:15 Dan HH wrote:On February 08 2025 01:31 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On February 08 2025 00:49 GreenHorizons wrote:This is surreal. Some random dipshit can just tell Congress they aren't allowed in to the Department of Education and they just listen. https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1887888410779783548Maybe get your own muscle, open the door, and stop the criminal white supremacists hacking on the US government computers inside?!? What I do I know, I'm sure repeating to him that "you can't do this" while he in fact "does this" is going to work. EDIT: The reporter saying "who is in the brown, uhh, tan looking shirt." was a little too on the nose This just in: Dems refuse to get violent with someone and therefore are toothless in their attempt to stop the buttfuckery of trump and his brown shirt goons. This and more at 6. Unironically yes. Not necesarilly just Dems, but most of the civilized section of society. If all it takes to take over a government instutition is a single moonlighting bouncer paid a 20 to sit in front of a door I don't like our odds. This is a caricature of the paradox of tolerance. I've been trying to explain this to them since before Biden was even the nominee. They can't draw a line. Not even at losing control of government buildings to a random brownshirt and some teenage tech bros raiding the computer systems. They all advocate fascism tolerance absolutism. As if they don't also readily know "free speech absolutism" is stupid. No, this is some nonsense bad faith argument you made up. You seem to genuinely believe that it's some kind of amazing point but to everyone else you look like Kanye. The line isn't defined, the action to be taken it the line is crossed isn't defined, and there is no explanation of why any of us should be the ones enforcing that line. + Show Spoiler + You never provide your line, or the actions you have taken, or will take, when it was crossed.
How many smurfberries is the economy worth? Name the number if you dare. Yes, I look like I'm praising Hitler during a mental health episode because I'm pointing out that you all don't have a line for which your primary plan for staving off fascism will no longer be relying on voting for the Democrats in a couple years, fleeing the country, or joining the fascists. You are embarrassing yourself. Do better. As to what action? I've said countless times, but I personally endorse revolutionary socialism. I'm open to any good idea. My point is and has been that your plan just shouldn't/can't be relying on voting for the Democrats in a couple years, fleeing the country, or joining the fascists. Because that's literally just a plan to lose to fascism. Dan was rightly pointing out that if not just Dems, but regular everyday people, can lose their government buildings to just some random dipshit brownshirt, we're in trouble. Anyone that can't recognize that is being irrational. The other point that comes along with this is that I don't actually expect Democrats to do much of anything, I just need them to stfu and fall in line to support the people that will and are, instead of siding with the fascists like they typically do. You keep saying that. I sympathize. But I'm (1) not a revolutionary, and (2) over in Spain and can't do much about your fascist government. But I'll say that if the Falange was seizing power again here in Spain, I'd probably be doing more to stop them than you are. At the very least, I'd be joining one of the mass protests that absolutely would be happening all over this country, not complaining about my fellows' inactivity. E: and just to be clear, there are Democrats doing something. It isn't massive and it is too little too late. But if you're looking for people who are doing something, maybe don't burn all the bridges... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/feb/07/heres-how-democrats-should-fight-back-against-trump I think GH is right to be screaming at everyone to get off their asses and do something. As much as I understand the whole dynamic of not wanting to make people defensive and tune it all out, "fascist takeover of the country" is definitely super high up on the list of reasons to "get up and go help". You could argue the US being the top military power of the world also gives Americans a responsibility to humanity to go out and try to make a difference. Other country's with a bit more self respect and courage can't protest in our place. Americans need to brush the dust off and go toss some tea in the ocean so to speak. Edit: Imagine if this whole thing keeps spiraling and Trump decides its time to take Canada and Greenland by force. Imagine an actual full-ass occupation of Canada. All of these things feel inconceivable as if plot armor will protect the world. But it could absolutely happen. There is a reason the world emerged from WW2 with an incredibly sharp "absolutely no fascism, no matter what, because its truly terrible" world view. Shit is terrible. It can ruin the world.
People get defensive because Trump overwhelmingly won an election. And I don’t think it even is defensiveness really, but more often frustration.
Based on past interactions, I also would guess that the general attitude among thread participants is that simply ticking an electoral box isn’t sufficient by itself to enact meaningful political change in a direction most want.
I also would wager that the general favourability rating of the Dems is also rather low too :p
I think you see a very, very different response to a Trump who stomped an election, versus a hypothetical where he steals one.
That aside, voting is in ways grossly ineffectual in transferring the will of the populace to actual policy, but it’s sure fucking easy to do.
‘You need to do more now, and hard shit that requires actually investment thru potential sacrifice because sufficient people didn’t do the really, really easy part’ is generally not a winning message.
Even things I fundamentally agree with, can be irritating if presented in a certain way.
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On February 08 2025 09:36 KwarK wrote:
"name your line, hah, you can't!" is a bullshit question
what's the line that Trump has to cross before you finally do a socialism
GH is already doing a socialism. I asked, "How does one do a non-revolutionary socialism?" and was told it was about analysing systems from a socialist perspective, observing for example that wealth concentrates unfairly and healthcare is broken.
"Oh, that's easy, I already think that," I thought to myself. Then I asked, "how does that stop fascists taking over the government?" and got crickets.
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On February 08 2025 08:46 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2025 07:53 Acrofales wrote:On February 08 2025 07:17 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 08 2025 06:24 KwarK wrote:On February 08 2025 04:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 08 2025 04:15 Dan HH wrote:On February 08 2025 01:31 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On February 08 2025 00:49 GreenHorizons wrote:This is surreal. Some random dipshit can just tell Congress they aren't allowed in to the Department of Education and they just listen. https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1887888410779783548Maybe get your own muscle, open the door, and stop the criminal white supremacists hacking on the US government computers inside?!? What I do I know, I'm sure repeating to him that "you can't do this" while he in fact "does this" is going to work. EDIT: The reporter saying "who is in the brown, uhh, tan looking shirt." was a little too on the nose This just in: Dems refuse to get violent with someone and therefore are toothless in their attempt to stop the buttfuckery of trump and his brown shirt goons. This and more at 6. Unironically yes. Not necesarilly just Dems, but most of the civilized section of society. If all it takes to take over a government instutition is a single moonlighting bouncer paid a 20 to sit in front of a door I don't like our odds. This is a caricature of the paradox of tolerance. I've been trying to explain this to them since before Biden was even the nominee. They can't draw a line. Not even at losing control of government buildings to a random brownshirt and some teenage tech bros raiding the computer systems. They all advocate fascism tolerance absolutism. As if they don't also readily know "free speech absolutism" is stupid. No, this is some nonsense bad faith argument you made up. You seem to genuinely believe that it's some kind of amazing point but to everyone else you look like Kanye. The line isn't defined, the action to be taken it the line is crossed isn't defined, and there is no explanation of why any of us should be the ones enforcing that line. + Show Spoiler + You never provide your line, or the actions you have taken, or will take, when it was crossed.
How many smurfberries is the economy worth? Name the number if you dare. Yes, I look like I'm praising Hitler during a mental health episode because I'm pointing out that you all don't have a line for which your primary plan for staving off fascism will no longer be relying on voting for the Democrats in a couple years, fleeing the country, or joining the fascists. You are embarrassing yourself. Do better. As to what action? I've said countless times, but I personally endorse revolutionary socialism. I'm open to any good idea. My point is and has been that your plan just shouldn't/can't be relying on voting for the Democrats in a couple years, fleeing the country, or joining the fascists. Because that's literally just a plan to lose to fascism. Dan was rightly pointing out that if not just Dems, but regular everyday people, can lose their government buildings to just some random dipshit brownshirt, we're in trouble. Anyone that can't recognize that is being irrational. The other point that comes along with this is that I don't actually expect Democrats to do much of anything, I just need them to stfu and fall in line to support the people that will and are, instead of siding with the fascists like they typically do. You keep saying that. I sympathize. But I'm (1) not a revolutionary, and (2) over in Spain and can't do much about your fascist government. But I'll say that if the Falange was seizing power again here in Spain, I'd probably be doing more to stop them than you are. At the very least, I'd be joining one of the mass protests that absolutely would be happening all over this country, not complaining about my fellows' inactivity. E: and just to be clear, there are Democrats doing something. It isn't massive and it is too little too late. But if you're looking for people who are doing something, maybe don't burn all the bridges... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/feb/07/heres-how-democrats-should-fight-back-against-trump Kwark, Mohdoo, and others are in the US, for now. This is also the US politics thread. I've obviously made it clear that any socialism (within reason) is better than relying on primary strategy of voting for the Democrats in a couple years, fleeing the country, or joining the fascists. So no one need jump straight to being revolutionary. . If you are wondering specifically how you could help people in the US prevent the rise of fascism without being revolutionary, you could start with supporting socialist orgs in the US. Not a penny or a minute to spare for the fight against fascism (surviving capitalism is gnarly)? Redirecting a fraction of the time spent in the US politics thread to participating in good faith in my blog is an excellent start for anyone that actually has any desire to do anything about the rising tide of fascism beyond the primary strategy of relying on voting for the Democrats in a couple years, fleeing the country, or joining the fascists. As to the opinion column you posted... yeah, no, seems like they understand the urgency perfectly... @Neb, this is an example of when I was describing how lib/Dems exploit their more ostensibly progressive members to argue against the actually functional direct action politics we require in the US to accomplish anything of positive significance.
I don't know what you're actually doing. But your blog isn't stopping Trump from installing his yes-men or Musk from sending brownshirts to shut down government agencies he's targeted.
Here are some things you could look at to actually try to stem the tide:
Indivisible: https://indivisible.org/coup
50501 movement: https://50501movement.carrd.co/
The AFL-CIO (and other labor unions): https://x.com/DeptOfWorkers/status/1887203189566677041?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1887222588440781232|twgr^9c03f0fe4e17e4f22b35c8a88aab9814df900c2b|twcon^s3_&ref_url=https://www.commondreams.org/news/musk-federal-workers
Of course, organizing your protests against Musk on twitter seems doomed to fail. But so far Musk doesn't seem coordinated enough to shut his opposition down on his own platform. Still, probably best to follow them on bluesky instead of twitter. Although I lament that none of these use mastodon or other fediverse tools.
And I'm not claiming that you weren't standing in your state capital protesting. Just that pointing people to the kind of organisations that do that, even if they aren't socialist (shocker), is going to do a lot more than pointing people to your blog. The first step to stopping fascism isn't "become a socialist". It's let the fascists know that what they're doing is NOT ACCEPTABLE.
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On February 08 2025 19:10 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2025 08:46 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 08 2025 07:53 Acrofales wrote:On February 08 2025 07:17 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 08 2025 06:24 KwarK wrote:On February 08 2025 04:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 08 2025 04:15 Dan HH wrote:On February 08 2025 01:31 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On February 08 2025 00:49 GreenHorizons wrote:This is surreal. Some random dipshit can just tell Congress they aren't allowed in to the Department of Education and they just listen. https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1887888410779783548Maybe get your own muscle, open the door, and stop the criminal white supremacists hacking on the US government computers inside?!? What I do I know, I'm sure repeating to him that "you can't do this" while he in fact "does this" is going to work. EDIT: The reporter saying "who is in the brown, uhh, tan looking shirt." was a little too on the nose This just in: Dems refuse to get violent with someone and therefore are toothless in their attempt to stop the buttfuckery of trump and his brown shirt goons. This and more at 6. Unironically yes. Not necesarilly just Dems, but most of the civilized section of society. If all it takes to take over a government instutition is a single moonlighting bouncer paid a 20 to sit in front of a door I don't like our odds. This is a caricature of the paradox of tolerance. I've been trying to explain this to them since before Biden was even the nominee. They can't draw a line. Not even at losing control of government buildings to a random brownshirt and some teenage tech bros raiding the computer systems. They all advocate fascism tolerance absolutism. As if they don't also readily know "free speech absolutism" is stupid. No, this is some nonsense bad faith argument you made up. You seem to genuinely believe that it's some kind of amazing point but to everyone else you look like Kanye. The line isn't defined, the action to be taken it the line is crossed isn't defined, and there is no explanation of why any of us should be the ones enforcing that line. + Show Spoiler + You never provide your line, or the actions you have taken, or will take, when it was crossed.
How many smurfberries is the economy worth? Name the number if you dare. Yes, I look like I'm praising Hitler during a mental health episode because I'm pointing out that you all don't have a line for which your primary plan for staving off fascism will no longer be relying on voting for the Democrats in a couple years, fleeing the country, or joining the fascists. You are embarrassing yourself. Do better. As to what action? I've said countless times, but I personally endorse revolutionary socialism. I'm open to any good idea. My point is and has been that your plan just shouldn't/can't be relying on voting for the Democrats in a couple years, fleeing the country, or joining the fascists. Because that's literally just a plan to lose to fascism. Dan was rightly pointing out that if not just Dems, but regular everyday people, can lose their government buildings to just some random dipshit brownshirt, we're in trouble. Anyone that can't recognize that is being irrational. The other point that comes along with this is that I don't actually expect Democrats to do much of anything, I just need them to stfu and fall in line to support the people that will and are, instead of siding with the fascists like they typically do. You keep saying that. I sympathize. But I'm (1) not a revolutionary, and (2) over in Spain and can't do much about your fascist government. But I'll say that if the Falange was seizing power again here in Spain, I'd probably be doing more to stop them than you are. At the very least, I'd be joining one of the mass protests that absolutely would be happening all over this country, not complaining about my fellows' inactivity. E: and just to be clear, there are Democrats doing something. It isn't massive and it is too little too late. But if you're looking for people who are doing something, maybe don't burn all the bridges... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/feb/07/heres-how-democrats-should-fight-back-against-trump Kwark, Mohdoo, and others are in the US, for now. This is also the US politics thread. I've obviously made it clear that any socialism (within reason) is better than relying on primary strategy of voting for the Democrats in a couple years, fleeing the country, or joining the fascists. So no one need jump straight to being revolutionary. . If you are wondering specifically how you could help people in the US prevent the rise of fascism without being revolutionary, you could start with supporting socialist orgs in the US. Not a penny or a minute to spare for the fight against fascism (surviving capitalism is gnarly)? Redirecting a fraction of the time spent in the US politics thread to participating in good faith in my blog is an excellent start for anyone that actually has any desire to do anything about the rising tide of fascism beyond the primary strategy of relying on voting for the Democrats in a couple years, fleeing the country, or joining the fascists. As to the opinion column you posted... Most of all, prepare for the midterms elections next year yeah, no, seems like they understand the urgency perfectly... @Neb, this is an example of when I was describing how lib/Dems exploit their more ostensibly progressive members to argue against the actually functional direct action politics we require in the US to accomplish anything of positive significance. I don't know what you're actually doing. But your blog isn't stopping Trump from installing his yes-men or Musk from sending brownshirts to shut down government agencies he's targeted. Here are some things you could look at to actually try to stem the tide: Indivisible: https://indivisible.org/coup50501 movement: https://50501movement.carrd.co/The AFL-CIO (and other labor unions): https://x.com/DeptOfWorkers/status/1887203189566677041?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1887222588440781232|twgr^9c03f0fe4e17e4f22b35c8a88aab9814df900c2b|twcon^s3_&ref_url=https://www.commondreams.org/news/musk-federal-workersOf course, organizing your protests against Musk on twitter seems doomed to fail. But so far Musk doesn't seem coordinated enough to shut his opposition down on his own platform. Still, probably best to follow them on bluesky instead of twitter. Although I lament that none of these use mastodon or other fediverse tools. And I'm not claiming that you weren't standing in your state capital protesting. Just that pointing people to the kind of organisations that do that, even if they aren't socialist (shocker), is going to do a lot more than pointing people to your blog. The first step to stopping fascism isn't "become a socialist". It's let the fascists know that what they're doing is NOT ACCEPTABLE.
If we had waited for GH to provide what you've provided, fascism would have swept the world. THIS is what we ask for. Thank you Acrofales
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Northern Ireland23717 Posts
‘But white grievance politics has nout to do with MAGA.’
I must confess I’m not that bothered trying to prove whites have it bad somewhere to make a point, it’s not really one of my hobbies. So I don’t know the specifics of these particular policies. Maybe they are bad, I don’t comment much on things I don’t know much about.
I’ve only ever encountered much from Western white people who I already know are lunatics, bombarding me with their sources on this that are obviously exceptionally biased even from a brief skim.
To go back to another point, which is despite the Dems sucking, this administration will be actively hostile to other actors trying to do anything re Israel/Palestine and that’s a net loss as well.
If you even try to do something, even if it’s more symbolic than likely to actually do anything and it goes against Israel, not only fuck you but we’ll actively seek to punish you for it.
Well we’ve got 4 years of that coming up. Great times.
To be clear I’ve no issue with folks saying the Dems aren’t acceptable here, hell it is broadly my position. But for the folks saying there’s no real difference there, there clearly is and this was always extremely, extremely obvious.
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On February 08 2025 13:12 Turbovolver wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2025 09:36 KwarK wrote:
"name your line, hah, you can't!" is a bullshit question
what's the line that Trump has to cross before you finally do a socialism GH is already doing a socialism. I asked, "How does one do a non-revolutionary socialism?" and was told it was about analysing systems from a socialist perspective, observing for example that wealth concentrates unfairly and healthcare is broken. "Oh, that's easy, I already think that," I thought to myself. Then I asked, "how does that stop fascists taking over the government?" and got crickets.
It's really easy, I'm not sure why you guys ask. Here is a quick break down.
Step 1. Anything that is wrong is wrong because of the US/Capitalism/Democrats. You can pick any to blame and then move to the others as needed. This needs to happen over and over again for every topic.
Step 2. Insult anyone who responds as complicit in genocide and not stopping fascism.
Step 3. If any hard questions get asked insult again, claim the question is in bad faith. Bonus move, wait for another poster often Drone or Neb to answer for you (could be anyone's answer you like) and then say exactly that is what I meant obviously.
Step 4. Any news that is against anyone or any country who brands themselves socialist or communist is capitalist lies, don't believe it. China, USSR, Venezuela so on would all be socialist paradises if not for Capitalism/US/Democrats. Which is of course true because those 3 create all that is wrong with the world everywhere. Keep in mind, actions of these countries and individuals is not important it is that they brand themselves communist.
Step 5. Talk down to people at all times and never answer anything directly, repeat end of step 3 as often as needed/possible.
Aside: never read main stream news, always get your information from socialist approved sites and social media. (Ignore how positive they are towards Russia, remember Russia used to be USSR which was good. If anything they are pretending to be fascist but are really communists, I mean they are denazifying (they said so themselves) so they must be good)
I'm sure I missed some little details, but if you follow these basic steps you can be a revolutionary socialist. And if we could just all angrily post together about how bad US/Capitalism/Democrats are and how everything is there fault. Fascists will be defeated and if we are lucky we could someday live in a completely fair, not racist paradise like the USSR or China.
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Got to leave it to Trump that he has balls. Making unpopular moves with both investigation agencies AND the pentagon ? He has already been shot at once lol.
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