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Northern Ireland27343 Posts
On February 07 2025 05:46 BlackJack wrote:
I’m somewhat sympathetic to Kaepernick since I do think he was penalized for his speech which is something I don’t love. But the guy also compared the NFL draft to a slave auction before begging NFL teams to… let him be a slave again…? Comparing multi-million earning NFL to slaves is the type of jumping the shark that turns people off the message entirely.
Returning to the original digression, the argument was that BLM is an a political movement with no goals outside of getting people to acknowledge Black Lives Matter and therefore people that don’t support it are racists. There are plenty of racists that don’t support BLM but that doesn’t make the first sentence true. You can see opinion polls where the support of BLM changes over time, are people randomly deciding to become more or less racist or is it something else?
Dems can keep calling people racist for not supporting BLM, transphobes for not allowing biologically males to dominate women’s sports, xenophobes for not allowing open borders, etc. but it’s not going to help win any elections.
Since when did winning elections matter eh?
I don’t personally think one is a necessarily racist for not supporting BLM wholesale, nor are you necessarily a transphobe for not allowing biological males to dominate women’s sport.
I will also add that biological males aren’t dominating women’s sport. Not remotely. Not happening currently.
You’re a transphobe if you didn’t previously give a shit about women’s sport, but care about its sanctity now.
My personal view is that woman’s sport is segmented for a reason, and gives women a shot to compete on a somewhat level field. That’s why it’s there, that’s why it’s always been there.
Trans women bring a challenge there, or intersex competitors onto that dichotomy. That’s a tough challenge to figure out or fit in. I’m not sure what the best practice is.
I’ve never been called a transphobe in my life, ever. I’ve been called many, many other things but not that.
Because trans people, of which I have some close friends from that community, or just trans allies actually have a pretty good gauge of people who are grappling with complex issues, and people who just hate them.
‘You know Stewart, I don’t really have a good answer to the women’s sport question either, and I’m fucking trans myself!’
In my experience people actually have a pretty decent gauge on who’s got a counter point of whatever kind that’s earnest and coming from a good place, and those whose counter points are augmenting bigotry.
Not a perfect gauge, but a decent, solid one.
I can basically say what I want, the exact same point someone else might make and be attacked for I’m fine. Even the unpopular shit, it’s fine, I’m not getting harangued or ‘cancelled’.
Because I’ve distanced myself from shitbags, and don’t parrot their talking points. It’s remarkably simple to do
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United States24799 Posts
To follow up on the earlier discussion about remote work and DC federal office closures...
The reasons why I pointed to the OPM guidance from last night, "open, with option for unscheduled leave and unscheduled telework" were because:
- The forecast was calling for a treacherous morning commute with icing conditions (it doesn't seem to have been as bad as predicted in most areas around DC)
- The government is open despite the potentially dangerous conditions
- For people who can't commute, they have the option for unscheduled telework.
The reason why that last one is a big deal is because most government organizations have not yet (since the executive orders started raining down) rolled out clear guidance to employees for when they can/can't telework, and most telework agreements have not been updated. Anyone without a telework agreement in place that allows for telework today has to report into the office, even if it's dangerous as shit to commute, or otherwise take leave (which would be bullshit).
As an example, I still don't know if my telework agreement from pre-January is valid or if I need to get a new one in place... the organization hasn't figured that out yet as it grapples with 87 other pressing matters like managing the deferred resignation program, insufficient parking with increased in-office attendance suddenly required, etc.
edit: It's kind of a moot point for me personally today because most of the stuff I'm in the middle of right now has to be done in the office
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On February 07 2025 09:08 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2025 05:46 BlackJack wrote:
I’m somewhat sympathetic to Kaepernick since I do think he was penalized for his speech which is something I don’t love. But the guy also compared the NFL draft to a slave auction before begging NFL teams to… let him be a slave again…? Comparing multi-million earning NFL to slaves is the type of jumping the shark that turns people off the message entirely.
Returning to the original digression, the argument was that BLM is an a political movement with no goals outside of getting people to acknowledge Black Lives Matter and therefore people that don’t support it are racists. There are plenty of racists that don’t support BLM but that doesn’t make the first sentence true. You can see opinion polls where the support of BLM changes over time, are people randomly deciding to become more or less racist or is it something else?
Dems can keep calling people racist for not supporting BLM, transphobes for not allowing biologically males to dominate women’s sports, xenophobes for not allowing open borders, etc. but it’s not going to help win any elections. Since when did winning elections matter eh? I don’t personally think one is a necessarily racist for not supporting BLM wholesale, nor are you necessarily a transphobe for not allowing biological males to dominate women’s sport. I will also add that biological males aren’t dominating women’s sport. Not remotely. Not happening currently. You’re a transphobe if you didn’t previously give a shit about women’s sport, but care about its sanctity now. My personal view is that woman’s sport is segmented for a reason, and gives women a shot to compete on a somewhat level field. That’s why it’s there, that’s why it’s always been there. Trans women bring a challenge there, or intersex competitors onto that dichotomy. That’s a tough challenge to figure out or fit in. I’m not sure what the best practice is. I’ve never been called a transphobe in my life, ever. I’ve been called many, many other things but not that. Because trans people, of which I have some close friends from that community, or just trans allies actually have a pretty good gauge of people who are grappling with complex issues, and people who just hate them. ‘You know Stewart, I don’t really have a good answer to the women’s sport question either, and I’m fucking trans myself!’ In my experience people actually have a pretty decent gauge on who’s got a counter point of whatever kind that’s earnest and coming from a good place, and those whose counter points are augmenting bigotry. Not a perfect gauge, but a decent, solid one. I can basically say what I want, the exact same point someone else might make and be attacked for I’m fine. Even the unpopular shit, it’s fine, I’m not getting harangued or ‘cancelled’. Because I’ve distanced myself from shitbags, and don’t parrot their talking points. It’s remarkably simple to do
You're in the minority of politically-conscious left-leaning people if you don't automatically assume someone that doesn't support BLM is a racist and someone that doesn't want transgender women in women's sports is a transphobe.
You’re a transphobe if you didn’t previously give a shit about women’s sport, but care about its sanctity now.
You don't really need to follow a sport keenly to object to an obvious unfairness. I don't really care about cycling but I can have an opinion on Lance Armstrong. + Show Spoiler +and yes i know probably every other top cyclist was doping too
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United States44286 Posts
Cis women aren’t consistently allowed to compete in women’s sports. The only reasonable opinion is that it should be left to the tournament organizers rather than being politicized.
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Not this fucking shit again. Professional womens sports is a minor side issue, that conservatives only care about because it allows them to be against trans people. It is completely irrelevant for at least 99% of trans people, yet we always talk about this shit instead of "should we generally treat trans people like people?"
Also, the last time we talked about this, if i recall correctly we already reached a consensus that it would be an acceptable solution to have testosterone limits for people competing in womens sport in place. And then we noticed that this is a thing that already in place. So really there is no reason to open this shit up again.
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On February 07 2025 14:31 Simberto wrote:
Not this fucking shit again. Professional womens sports is a minor side issue, that conservatives only care about because it allows them to be against trans people. It is completely irrelevant for at least 99% of trans people, yet we always talk about this shit instead of "should we generally treat trans people like people?"
Also, the last time we talked about this, if i recall correctly we already reached a consensus that it would be an acceptable solution to have testosterone limits for people competing in womens sport in place. And then we noticed that this is a thing that already in place. So really there is no reason to open this shit up again.
We know they can't help themselves.
They also care about it because it makes Democrats look bad to their own voters while demonstrating to basically all Republicans why Democrats are unreasonable.
A recent New York Times/Ipsos survey found the vast majority of Americans, including a majority of Democrats, don’t think transgender athletes should be permitted to compete in women’s sports.
Of the 2,128 people who participated, 79% said biological males who identify as women should not be allowed to participate in women’s sports.
Of the 1,025 people who identified as Democrats or leaning Democrat, 67% said transgender athletes should not be allowed to compete with women.
Among 1,022 Republicans, that number was 94%.
nypost.com
EDIT: For some perspective, opposition to transgender athletes competing in women's sports is stronger than it was/is for "Defund the Police" on both sides of the aisle.
By a nearly 2-to-1 margin, more voters oppose the movement to “Defund the Police” (57 percent)
Meanwhile, 72 percent of respondents said they oppose “defunding the police”
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That seems like it says people oppose defund the police more than transgender mtf in womens sports.
Either way i think its a losing issue
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On February 07 2025 20:14 Sadist wrote:
That seems like it says people oppose defund the police more than transgender mtf in womens sports.
Either way i think its a losing issue
Read closer?
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On February 07 2025 16:09 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2025 14:31 Simberto wrote:
Not this fucking shit again. Professional womens sports is a minor side issue, that conservatives only care about because it allows them to be against trans people. It is completely irrelevant for at least 99% of trans people, yet we always talk about this shit instead of "should we generally treat trans people like people?"
Also, the last time we talked about this, if i recall correctly we already reached a consensus that it would be an acceptable solution to have testosterone limits for people competing in womens sport in place. And then we noticed that this is a thing that already in place. So really there is no reason to open this shit up again. We know they can't help themselves. They also care about it because it makes Democrats look bad to their own voters while demonstrating to basically all Republicans why Democrats are unreasonable. Show nested quote +A recent New York Times/Ipsos survey found the vast majority of Americans, including a majority of Democrats, don’t think transgender athletes should be permitted to compete in women’s sports.
Of the 2,128 people who participated, 79% said biological males who identify as women should not be allowed to participate in women’s sports.
Of the 1,025 people who identified as Democrats or leaning Democrat, 67% said transgender athletes should not be allowed to compete with women.
Among 1,022 Republicans, that number was 94%. nypost.comEDIT: For some perspective, opposition to transgender athletes competing in women's sports is stronger than it was/is for "Defund the Police" on both sides of the aisle.
But no worries though, according to popular belief the majority of people is always/usually right... right? Hence it is the right decision to ban transgender people from women's sports, since the majority demands it.
Or maybe the majority of people is not always right, I don't know. Maybe they can be wrong, even though that would mean I can't have a moral high ground over people based on the popularity of my beliefs. This is making things slightly difficult.
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Northern Ireland27343 Posts
On February 07 2025 11:44 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2025 09:08 WombaT wrote:On February 07 2025 05:46 BlackJack wrote:
I’m somewhat sympathetic to Kaepernick since I do think he was penalized for his speech which is something I don’t love. But the guy also compared the NFL draft to a slave auction before begging NFL teams to… let him be a slave again…? Comparing multi-million earning NFL to slaves is the type of jumping the shark that turns people off the message entirely.
Returning to the original digression, the argument was that BLM is an a political movement with no goals outside of getting people to acknowledge Black Lives Matter and therefore people that don’t support it are racists. There are plenty of racists that don’t support BLM but that doesn’t make the first sentence true. You can see opinion polls where the support of BLM changes over time, are people randomly deciding to become more or less racist or is it something else?
Dems can keep calling people racist for not supporting BLM, transphobes for not allowing biologically males to dominate women’s sports, xenophobes for not allowing open borders, etc. but it’s not going to help win any elections. Since when did winning elections matter eh? I don’t personally think one is a necessarily racist for not supporting BLM wholesale, nor are you necessarily a transphobe for not allowing biological males to dominate women’s sport. I will also add that biological males aren’t dominating women’s sport. Not remotely. Not happening currently. You’re a transphobe if you didn’t previously give a shit about women’s sport, but care about its sanctity now. My personal view is that woman’s sport is segmented for a reason, and gives women a shot to compete on a somewhat level field. That’s why it’s there, that’s why it’s always been there. Trans women bring a challenge there, or intersex competitors onto that dichotomy. That’s a tough challenge to figure out or fit in. I’m not sure what the best practice is. I’ve never been called a transphobe in my life, ever. I’ve been called many, many other things but not that. Because trans people, of which I have some close friends from that community, or just trans allies actually have a pretty good gauge of people who are grappling with complex issues, and people who just hate them. ‘You know Stewart, I don’t really have a good answer to the women’s sport question either, and I’m fucking trans myself!’ In my experience people actually have a pretty decent gauge on who’s got a counter point of whatever kind that’s earnest and coming from a good place, and those whose counter points are augmenting bigotry. Not a perfect gauge, but a decent, solid one. I can basically say what I want, the exact same point someone else might make and be attacked for I’m fine. Even the unpopular shit, it’s fine, I’m not getting harangued or ‘cancelled’. Because I’ve distanced myself from shitbags, and don’t parrot their talking points. It’s remarkably simple to do You're in the minority of politically-conscious left-leaning people if you don't automatically assume someone that doesn't support BLM is a racist and someone that doesn't want transgender women in women's sports is a transphobe. Show nested quote +You’re a transphobe if you didn’t previously give a shit about women’s sport, but care about its sanctity now. You don't really need to follow a sport keenly to object to an obvious unfairness. I don't really care about cycling but I can have an opinion on Lance Armstrong. + Show Spoiler +and yes i know probably every other top cyclist was doping too
I mean actively contemptuous, not merely disinterested. Language wasn’t clear so that’s on me.
This all becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. If one’s response to ‘there are ways to hold certain positions and not be called something-ist’ is a fatalistic return to ‘you can’t hold x position without being called a something-ist’ well, you’ll get that latter result.
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This is surreal. Some random dipshit can just tell Congress they aren't allowed in to the Department of Education and they just listen.
Maybe get your own muscle, open the door, and stop the criminal white supremacists hacking on the US government computers inside?!?
What I do I know, I'm sure repeating to him that "you can't do this" while he in fact "does this" is going to work.
EDIT: The reporter saying "who is in the brown, uhh, tan looking shirt." was a little too on the nose
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Northern Ireland27343 Posts
Take your fucking meds Kanye ffs…
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On February 08 2025 00:49 GreenHorizons wrote:This is surreal. Some random dipshit can just tell Congress they aren't allowed in to the Department of Education and they just listen. https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1887888410779783548Maybe get your own muscle, open the door, and stop the criminal white supremacists hacking on the US government computers inside?!? What I do I know, I'm sure repeating to him that "you can't do this" while he in fact "does this" is going to work. EDIT: The reporter saying "who is in the brown, uhh, tan looking shirt." was a little too on the nose
This just in: Dems refuse to get violent with someone and therefore are toothless in their attempt to stop the buttfuckery of trump and his brown shirt goons. This and more at 6.
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On February 08 2025 01:31 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2025 00:49 GreenHorizons wrote:This is surreal. Some random dipshit can just tell Congress they aren't allowed in to the Department of Education and they just listen. https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1887888410779783548Maybe get your own muscle, open the door, and stop the criminal white supremacists hacking on the US government computers inside?!? What I do I know, I'm sure repeating to him that "you can't do this" while he in fact "does this" is going to work. EDIT: The reporter saying "who is in the brown, uhh, tan looking shirt." was a little too on the nose This just in: Dems refuse to get violent with someone and therefore are toothless in their attempt to stop the buttfuckery of trump and his brown shirt goons. This and more at 6.
On the other hand, the Department of Labor had people rally around the building to physically prevent Musk and his cronies from illegally hacking their computers and it worked.
Truly is unfortunate the Department of Education is not more familiar with the labor movement..
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On February 08 2025 01:35 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2025 01:31 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On February 08 2025 00:49 GreenHorizons wrote:This is surreal. Some random dipshit can just tell Congress they aren't allowed in to the Department of Education and they just listen. https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1887888410779783548Maybe get your own muscle, open the door, and stop the criminal white supremacists hacking on the US government computers inside?!? What I do I know, I'm sure repeating to him that "you can't do this" while he in fact "does this" is going to work. EDIT: The reporter saying "who is in the brown, uhh, tan looking shirt." was a little too on the nose This just in: Dems refuse to get violent with someone and therefore are toothless in their attempt to stop the buttfuckery of trump and his brown shirt goons. This and more at 6. On the other hand the Department of Labor had people rally around the building to physically prevent Musk and his cronies from illegally hacking their computers and it worked. Truly is unfortunate the Department of Education is not more familiar with the labor movement..
This would have been better to post than that hit piece earlier.
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On February 07 2025 12:10 KwarK wrote:
Cis women aren’t consistently allowed to compete in women’s sports. The only reasonable opinion is that it should be left to the tournament organizers rather than being politicized.
Neil Tyson made an actually very reasonable proposal to adopt other categories and metrics than sex in sports. It’s already done in many shorts with weight categories, but it could be done with other biological metrics (hormon levels in particular) regardless of the sex of an individual.
Many sports don’t make much sense anymore because the genetic factor is so important that 99% of the human population doesn’t have a shot at competing at the highest level no matter the effort and talent put into it. If sports become a way to select and celebrate a few people with specific genetic traits, it’s lost its purpose imo.
I am a super, super light man, with a very frail frame. In many sports, many women would be at a biological advantage over me, and if i were to compete based on Tyson ideas, I would probably get pitted against mainly female opponents.
To me that’s a super interesting take. Obviously it provoked an outrage among the right wing folks, but what do we expect.
On February 07 2025 14:31 Simberto wrote:
Not this fucking shit again. Professional womens sports is a minor side issue, that conservatives only care about because it allows them to be against trans people. It is completely irrelevant for at least 99% of trans people, yet we always talk about this shit instead of "should we generally treat trans people like people?"
Also, the last time we talked about this, if i recall correctly we already reached a consensus that it would be an acceptable solution to have testosterone limits for people competing in womens sport in place. And then we noticed that this is a thing that already in place. So really there is no reason to open this shit up again.
Missed that post, but yes, basically, that.
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On February 08 2025 01:37 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2025 01:35 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 08 2025 01:31 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On February 08 2025 00:49 GreenHorizons wrote:This is surreal. Some random dipshit can just tell Congress they aren't allowed in to the Department of Education and they just listen. https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1887888410779783548Maybe get your own muscle, open the door, and stop the criminal white supremacists hacking on the US government computers inside?!? What I do I know, I'm sure repeating to him that "you can't do this" while he in fact "does this" is going to work. EDIT: The reporter saying "who is in the brown, uhh, tan looking shirt." was a little too on the nose This just in: Dems refuse to get violent with someone and therefore are toothless in their attempt to stop the buttfuckery of trump and his brown shirt goons. This and more at 6. On the other hand the Department of Labor had people rally around the building to physically prevent Musk and his cronies from illegally hacking their computers and it worked. Truly is unfortunate the Department of Education is not more familiar with the labor movement.. This would have been better to post than that hit piece earlier.
But this way provided your example for the problematic framing their supporters are already adopting. You must recognize the difference between "not nothing" or "toothless" and "sufficient".
If people want Musk and his white supremacist tech goons that are illegally accessing countless sensitive and personal files on countless government computers with no compliance or monitoring in place to be stopped, they can't rely on Democrats that will be stopped by a random dipshit in a brown shirt illegally stopping them.
They need to rely on organized direct action resistance and be prepared for when Musk shows up with more muscle the next time.
Problem is the last time Democrats saw something like that, it was students on campuses opposing genocide and Democrats were the ones calling in the skull crackers to stop the organized resistance.
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On February 08 2025 02:10 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2025 01:37 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On February 08 2025 01:35 GreenHorizons wrote:On February 08 2025 01:31 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On February 08 2025 00:49 GreenHorizons wrote:This is surreal. Some random dipshit can just tell Congress they aren't allowed in to the Department of Education and they just listen. https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1887888410779783548Maybe get your own muscle, open the door, and stop the criminal white supremacists hacking on the US government computers inside?!? What I do I know, I'm sure repeating to him that "you can't do this" while he in fact "does this" is going to work. EDIT: The reporter saying "who is in the brown, uhh, tan looking shirt." was a little too on the nose This just in: Dems refuse to get violent with someone and therefore are toothless in their attempt to stop the buttfuckery of trump and his brown shirt goons. This and more at 6. On the other hand the Department of Labor had people rally around the building to physically prevent Musk and his cronies from illegally hacking their computers and it worked. Truly is unfortunate the Department of Education is not more familiar with the labor movement.. This would have been better to post than that hit piece earlier. But this way provided your example for the problematic framing their supporters are already adopting. You must recognize the difference between "not nothing" or "toothless" and "sufficient". If people want Musk and his white supremacist tech goons that are illegally accessing countless sensitive and personal files on countless government computers with no compliance or monitoring in place to be stopped, they can't rely on Democrats that will be stopped by a random dipshit in a brown shirt illegally stopping them. They need to rely on organized direct action resistance and be prepared for when Musk shows up with more muscle the next time. Problem is the last time Democrats saw something like that, it was students on campuses opposing genocide and Democrats were the ones calling in the skull crackers to stop the organized resistance.
I'm only saying that this, coupled with the previous, would have given more weight to your claim. Instead it was just a hit piece that people here probably wouldn't have engaged with. I agree that the DOL resisting is a better example and it would be more prudent of Dems to organize an effective resistance moving forward.
That being said, unless they can get enough information ahead of time to organize that, there's no way of knowing when those goons will show up. Best thing I think the Dems can do is just, like you said, get outside forces to come and repel whomever tries to access agencies. I'm sure it'll be great talking points for the Rs, but we're now in "by any means necessary" territory with this nonsense.
But only thing I can say is that we have to wait and see what the Dems will do and if it isn't sufficient, as is usually the case, you and your kind should take the mantle and do the work they're scared to do. Would you travel to DC to stop this?
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On February 08 2025 01:31 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2025 00:49 GreenHorizons wrote:This is surreal. Some random dipshit can just tell Congress they aren't allowed in to the Department of Education and they just listen. https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1887888410779783548Maybe get your own muscle, open the door, and stop the criminal white supremacists hacking on the US government computers inside?!? What I do I know, I'm sure repeating to him that "you can't do this" while he in fact "does this" is going to work. EDIT: The reporter saying "who is in the brown, uhh, tan looking shirt." was a little too on the nose This just in: Dems refuse to get violent with someone and therefore are toothless in their attempt to stop the buttfuckery of trump and his brown shirt goons. This and more at 6.
Unironically yes. Not necesarilly just Dems, but most of the civilized section of society. If all it takes to take over a government instutition is a single moonlighting bouncer paid a 20 to sit in front of a door I don't like our odds. This is a caricature of the paradox of tolerance.
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