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Northern Ireland26225 Posts
On November 20 2024 09:28 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2024 09:26 BlackJack wrote:
Ah, yes... the version of free speech where you're okay with government suppression as long as they are suppressing something worth suppressing! Like screaming fire in a crowded theater, yes. You can certainly argue either way on the government's role in preventing the spread of vaccine misinformation, but the idea of protecting all speech under all circumstances is naive.
One is very difficult to do and balance, but in a perfect world is almost undoubtedly better. One is much easier to do, but clearly has problems.
Many who aspire to the former will both acknowledge it’s a difficult balancing act between stakeholders and principles, and indeed that many an action was ill-judged, if not outright malicious in terms of stakeholders wielding their influence in moderation
But hey one will be called a hypocrite regardless eh?
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On November 20 2024 09:28 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2024 09:26 BlackJack wrote:
Ah, yes... the version of free speech where you're okay with government suppression as long as they are suppressing something worth suppressing! Like screaming fire in a crowded theater, yes. You can certainly argue either way on the government's role in preventing the spread of vaccine misinformation, but the idea of protecting all speech under all circumstances is naive.
Yes, of course. If I had suspected that sentence would have been interpreted so literally I would have reworded it.
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Eli5 please. I know nothing about us politics. All I know is the general sentiment outside US that Trump president is seen as not ideal. Yet US citizens voted for him.
So mainly 2 things.
What's good about him?
What's bad about kamala?
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On November 20 2024 10:36 DucK- wrote:
Eli5 please. I know nothing about us politics. All I know is the general sentiment outside US that Trump president is seen as not ideal. Yet US citizens voted for him.
So mainly 2 things.
What's good about him?
What's bad about kamala?
The answers to those questions kind of depend on perspective. For example, Trump supporters might think Trump seriously cares about everyday Americans (even though he doesn't) and that he has good plans to improve our country (even though he doesn't).
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United States43430 Posts
On November 20 2024 10:36 DucK- wrote:
Eli5 please. I know nothing about us politics. All I know is the general sentiment outside US that Trump president is seen as not ideal. Yet US citizens voted for him.
So mainly 2 things.
What's good about him?
What's bad about kamala?
Kamala is half black which is unforgivable for half of America.
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On November 20 2024 10:44 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2024 10:36 DucK- wrote:
Eli5 please. I know nothing about us politics. All I know is the general sentiment outside US that Trump president is seen as not ideal. Yet US citizens voted for him.
So mainly 2 things.
What's good about him?
What's bad about kamala? Kamala is half black which is unforgivable for half of America.
Dont forget she is also a woman, unforgivable to probably about as many Americans
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On November 20 2024 10:44 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2024 10:36 DucK- wrote:
Eli5 please. I know nothing about us politics. All I know is the general sentiment outside US that Trump president is seen as not ideal. Yet US citizens voted for him.
So mainly 2 things.
What's good about him?
What's bad about kamala? Kamala is half black which is unforgivable for half of America.
Republicans winning the racist vote being the deciding factor to the election somehow makes sense to the people that think Republicans always win the racist vote no matter who is running. Dems should have nominated their oldest white guy. I'm sure Cletus feels the Bern. Although the burn might be the gonorrhea he got from his cousin.
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On November 20 2024 10:36 DucK- wrote:
Eli5 please. I know nothing about us politics. All I know is the general sentiment outside US that Trump president is seen as not ideal. Yet US citizens voted for him.
So mainly 2 things.
What's good about him?
What's bad about kamala?
In a nutshell:
Kamala was "more of the same" candidate
Trump was "I will change things" candidate
A lot of people in US was unhappy with various things and decided that they will rather give Trump a chance, than have more of the same.
As for outside of the US - Trump is rather unpredictable (as in "F...k knows what he is going to do"), while Kamala was seen as more stable/reliable.
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United States43430 Posts
On November 20 2024 11:37 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2024 10:36 DucK- wrote:
Eli5 please. I know nothing about us politics. All I know is the general sentiment outside US that Trump president is seen as not ideal. Yet US citizens voted for him.
So mainly 2 things.
What's good about him?
What's bad about kamala? In a nutshell: Kamala was "more of the same" candidate Trump was "I will change things" candidate A lot of people in US was unhappy with various things and decided that they will rather give Trump a chance, than have more of the same. As for outside of the US - Trump is rather unpredictable (as in "F...k knows what he is going to do"), while Kamala was seen as more stable/reliable.
Trump already had a chance. A million people died and we ran out of toilet paper.
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Inflation is a global phenomenon but people dying of COVID was Trump's doing. Also nevermind that twice as many died under Biden's presidency as Trump's.
After Biden called for migrants to surge the border it wasn't his fault when millions showed up at the border but it was Trump's fault when people ran to the store to buy out the toilet paper.
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On November 20 2024 09:48 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2024 09:28 micronesia wrote:On November 20 2024 09:26 BlackJack wrote:
Ah, yes... the version of free speech where you're okay with government suppression as long as they are suppressing something worth suppressing! Like screaming fire in a crowded theater, yes. You can certainly argue either way on the government's role in preventing the spread of vaccine misinformation, but the idea of protecting all speech under all circumstances is naive. Yes, of course. If I had suspected that sentence would have been interpreted so literally I would have reworded it.
I think, with your track record of quibbling over the smallest minutiae in other people's posts, you can't complain there mate. Maybe think about how you respond to other people if you want them to do the same for you.
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Northern Ireland26225 Posts
I think it’s somewhat illuminating that, albeit in my particular corner of reality, I haven’t seen much praise from the right for these cabinet candidates, broadly speaking.
Not exclusively of course, these things never are.
But it’s either ‘people I don’t like, don’t like this so I’ll defend it’, or on a more moderate slant ‘well the Dems said the sky would fall down, so everything beneath that catastrophic eventuality is now above par’
Like, fuck sake can people just give their actual opinions? Is that too much to ask?
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On November 20 2024 13:42 WombaT wrote:
I think it’s somewhat illuminating that, albeit in my particular corner of reality, I haven’t seen much praise from the right for these cabinet candidates, broadly speaking.
Not exclusively of course, these things never are.
But it’s either ‘people I don’t like, don’t like this so I’ll defend it’, or on a more moderate slant ‘well the Dems said the sky would fall down, so everything beneath that catastrophic eventuality is now above par’
Like, fuck sake can people just give their actual opinions? Is that too much to ask?
Well I have very briefly but here's more.
Some are good (Rubio and many of the nat sec people or people like Burgum). some are bad, Gaetz and RFK (RFK used to be big in left-wing Hollywood circles, he has a lot of ideas that I don't like beyond vaccine skepticism). Also, we need to flush the Kennedy clan out of the body politic. I think America has had quite enough of the overrated family.
Some are eh, like Noem or Gabbard. I wish he had picked someone else for ED sec, but she was in his cabinet last time and she knows how it works. Maybe she'll be good at implementing his agenda too. DeVos was terrific but I think she resigned after Jan 6 so I assume she was never in the running again. It's just muted because, and I know you don't like the hear this, but it would be much worse with a dem president. Even now, Mayorkas and Becerra in particular are awful. Mayor Pete also failing upwards, and his only qualification was...nothing.
Trump seems to learned from his first time. Last time he picked people like Tillerson and Mattis who thought they were in charge and not Trump. Qualified on paper, but not really willing to implement the agenda. This time Trump wants to do what he said, the good and the bad. If I had to pick one I would try to stop Gaetz in the senate, the DOJ needs a good thorough cleaning and someone with the competence and focus to get it done while being a good AG. RFK would be second. i like a lot of the things (though by no means all) that they SAY they are going to do, but I don't trust them to do it well. I think Trump has swung too far in the other direction, although again it's not all bad. Hope he finds a place for the previous OMB director, that guy was excellent too.
Edit: also curious about Vance. Pence seemed to have some influence on Trump during his last term and it seems like Trump respects Vance and his intellect. I disagree with Vance about a great many things also, but I think as long as he's not a total sycophant he can make a difference for the better.
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On November 20 2024 14:09 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2024 13:42 WombaT wrote:
I think it’s somewhat illuminating that, albeit in my particular corner of reality, I haven’t seen much praise from the right for these cabinet candidates, broadly speaking.
Not exclusively of course, these things never are.
But it’s either ‘people I don’t like, don’t like this so I’ll defend it’, or on a more moderate slant ‘well the Dems said the sky would fall down, so everything beneath that catastrophic eventuality is now above par’
Like, fuck sake can people just give their actual opinions? Is that too much to ask?
Well I have very briefly but here's more. Some are good (Rubio and many of the nat sec people or people like Burgum). some are bad, Gaetz and RFK (RFK used to be big in left-wing Hollywood circles, he has a lot of ideas that I don't like beyond vaccine skepticism). Also, we need to flush the Kennedy clan out of the body politic. I think America has had quite enough of the overrated family. Some are eh, like Noem or Gabbard. I wish he had picked someone else for ED sec, but she was in his cabinet last time and she knows how it works. Maybe she'll be good at implementing his agenda too. DeVos was terrific but I think she resigned after Jan 6 so I assume she was never in the running again.
At what, exactly, besides harming students and education ( https://www.npr.org/2020/11/19/936225974/the-legacy-of-education-secretary-betsy-devos )?
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Norway28731 Posts
Support for charter schools sounds like something introvert would get behind and that's like the main thing i associate with her.
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On November 20 2024 10:36 DucK- wrote:
Eli5 please. I know nothing about us politics. All I know is the general sentiment outside US that Trump president is seen as not ideal. Yet US citizens voted for him.
So mainly 2 things.
What's good about him?
What's bad about kamala?
The easiest answer is people are just sick of Democrats.
Conservatives obviously want Democrats out of power because they are opposition. So they always vote against them. The Kamala Harris campaign thought they could get Conservatives who didn't like Trump to vote for them instead by parading around moderate Republicans like Liz Cheney and pledging to name Republicans to the cabinet. This didn't work. More registered Republicans voted for Donald Trump in this election than they did in 2020.
Neutral voters voters tend to vote against whichever party is in power when things aren't going well for them personally. For these voters Biden and the Democrats being blamed for Inflation is a HUGE reason Trump won this group, even though inflation wasn't their fault, the consequences of the inflation were being felt while Joe Biden was president so he gets the blame. It's not fair but that's how it is. Democrats failed to provide a strong economic message to encourage voters to vote for them even when they were feeling economically squeezed while Democrats were in power.
Liberal voter turnout was down pretty significantly, especially in battleground states. This can be attributed to any number of things. From Liberals feeling dissatisfied with Joe Biden, to being unhappy with not having a primary to choose Biden's replacement, to Gaza, to just not liking Kamala Harris. Whatever their reasoning, Liberals did not show up in the same numbers they did in 2020 and this contributed heavily to Donald Trump's victory.
These 3 factors together gave Trump a big win in the electoral college as he swept most of the battleground states. Although it needs to be reminded to everyone that just because he won the Electoral College in such a decisive manner it doesn't mean that a majority of Americans voted for him. When the votes are all counted he'll have something like 49% of the vote. It's enough to win the Presidency but it means he'll probably spend his entire term with low approval ratings.
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On November 20 2024 14:09 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2024 13:42 WombaT wrote:
I think it’s somewhat illuminating that, albeit in my particular corner of reality, I haven’t seen much praise from the right for these cabinet candidates, broadly speaking.
Not exclusively of course, these things never are.
But it’s either ‘people I don’t like, don’t like this so I’ll defend it’, or on a more moderate slant ‘well the Dems said the sky would fall down, so everything beneath that catastrophic eventuality is now above par’
Like, fuck sake can people just give their actual opinions? Is that too much to ask?
Well I have very briefly but here's more. Some are good (Rubio and many of the nat sec people or people like Burgum). some are bad, Gaetz and RFK (RFK used to be big in left-wing Hollywood circles, he has a lot of ideas that I don't like beyond vaccine skepticism). Also, we need to flush the Kennedy clan out of the body politic. I think America has had quite enough of the overrated family. Some are eh, like Noem or Gabbard. I wish he had picked someone else for ED sec, but she was in his cabinet last time and she knows how it works. Maybe she'll be good at implementing his agenda too. DeVos was terrific but I think she resigned after Jan 6 so I assume she was never in the running again. It's just muted because, and I know you don't like the hear this, but it would be much worse with a dem president. Even now, Mayorkas and Becerra in particular are awful. Mayor Pete also failing upwards, and his only qualification was...nothing. Trump seems to learned from his first time. Last time he picked people like Tillerson and Mattis who thought they were in charge and not Trump. Qualified on paper, but not really willing to implement the agenda. This time Trump wants to do what he said, the good and the bad. If I had to pick one I would try to stop Gaetz in the senate, the DOJ needs a good thorough cleaning and someone with the competence and focus to get it done while being a good AG. RFK would be second. i like a lot of the things (though by no means all) that they SAY they are going to do, but I don't trust them to do it well. I think Trump has swung too far in the other direction, although again it's not all bad. Hope he finds a place for the previous OMB director, that guy was excellent too. Edit: also curious about Vance. Pence seemed to have some influence on Trump during his last term and it seems like Trump respects Vance and his intellect. I disagree with Vance about a great many things also, but I think as long as he's not a total sycophant he can make a difference for the better.
How do you feel about Dr Oz for a cabinet position? :D
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On November 20 2024 15:06 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Support for charter schools sounds like something introvert would get behind and that's like the main thing i associate with her.
That's my guess too.
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Looking at Doc Oz - among his highlights are claiming that selenium supplements are the “the holy grail of cancer prevention.” Medical studies concluded there was “no convincing evidence” to date that “suggests that selenium supplements can prevent cancer in humans.” But that “extremely high intakes of selenium can cause severe problems, including difficulty breathing, tremors, kidney failure, heart attacks, and heart failure.” He says red onion, endive and sea bass could reduce the risk of ovarian cancer by up to 75 percent.
For weight loss Oz recommended raspberry ketone as being the “number-one miracle in a bottle to burn your fat” and the herbal weight loss product garcinia cambogia, which has been reported to cause liver damage in rare cases. He also champions “magic” coffee beans.
On Fox & Friends, he said the antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine could be an effective treatment against Covid-19. Studies across the world have since concluded thousands of patients may have died as a result of taking the drug, which was prescribed to patients “despite the absence of evidence documenting its clinical benefits.”
When pressed in a Senate about his claims he said “I actually do personally believe in the items I talk about in the show. I passionately study them. I recognize often times they don’t have the scientific muster to present as fact, but nevertheless, I would give my audience the advice I give my family.” So that's ok then as long as he believes in them.....
Again during COVID he said America needed to get its mojo back and should reopen schools at the height of the pandemic - he admitted this might increase fatalities by one of two percent but said it was worth it.
He'll now be in charge of Medicare and Medicaid Services, which cover tens of millions of elderly Americans and low-income residents, and is seen as a prime area of cuts in funding to cover the cost of the tax breaks for the billionaires.
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