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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Salazarz
Korea (South)2591 Posts
On September 06 2022 23:20 JimmiC wrote: Depends where you live, in the NE its almost 25k per student in the south it is closer to 9k per student. The US has a rich get richer and poor get poor strategy. Even within in those states the people in the right ZIP codes would get tons spend on them, those in the wrong zip codes get 20 year old ripped text books and metal detectors. https://educationdata.org/public-education-spending-statistics Yeah but I mean as a whole, the US spending on education is higher than that of EU average, both per capita and as share of GDP. It's the same thing as with healthcare, lack of funds in the government ain't the reason the yanks pay through their noses for education, just like it ain't the reason they pay through their noses for healthcare. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15725 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45077 Posts
On September 07 2022 23:46 Mohdoo wrote: If trump is allowed to force secrecy against the president and DOJ, is that not effectively saying trump has a higher level of executive power than Biden? I think Biden has been completely staying out of this whole Trump scandal, and I don't know how much of this is in the jurisdiction of the executive branch, but Biden is still the head of the executive branch, so if the executive branch has any authority to make a judgment call / overrule / executive order something, I would think that Biden (rather than an ex-president) has the final say with that. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21959 Posts
On September 07 2022 23:46 Mohdoo wrote: None of it is even relevant. Its a defence not against this crime, but the next one.If trump is allowed to force secrecy against the president and DOJ, is that not effectively saying trump has a higher level of executive power than Biden? The FBI went in to seize documents that belong to the government not Trump. Whether or not Executive Privilege would even apply to those documents doesn't matter, Trump is not allowed to have them. And in fact he can't claim they are personal if they would be potentially subject to Executive Privilege, by definition they would fall under the Presidential Records act if they were. The only time it would matter is if these governmental files contained evidence of other crimes, like an insurrection, and the FBI, or other agency, would want to use those files as evidence for that other crime. And even Barr, a man who's sole job was telling the country Trump could do whatever he wanted as President, is saying the judge is an idiot and that the DoJ should appeal. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18128 Posts
On September 08 2022 01:05 Gorsameth wrote: None of it is even relevant. Its a defence not against this crime, but the next one. The FBI went in to seize documents that belong to the government not Trump. Whether or not Executive Privilege would even apply to those documents doesn't matter, Trump is not allowed to have them. And in fact he can't claim they are personal if they would be potentially subject to Executive Privilege, by definition they would fall under the Presidential Records act if they were. The only time it would matter is if these governmental files contained evidence of other crimes, like an insurrection, and the FBI, or other agency, would want to use those files as evidence for that other crime. And even Barr, a man who's sole job was telling the country Trump could do whatever he wanted as President, is saying the judge is an idiot and that the DoJ should appeal. It's not even a defense. Insofar as I understand it, it has 0 hope of standing, because executive privilege is intended to protect information from the other branches of the government, not from the executive branch. Just as Biden could un-classify documents that Trump classified, he could un-privilege information that Trump claims as executive privilege. If it was *WORK* information, he no longer has any rights to make decisions about it, and it's up to his successor. A judge trying to say otherwise makes the judge absolutely insane. It'd be like if I quit my job, but then told my employees that for specific questions they should always refer to me and ignore any orders my successor gives them. And then my boss told my successor "yup, that's true. he quit, but he will always maintain powers of making decisions about X, Y and Z". | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On September 06 2022 23:15 Salazarz wrote: The US actually spends more on education than most European countries do. I didn't know that, tbh. But then why isn't it that efficient cost-wise? | ||
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Simberto
Germany11635 Posts
On September 08 2022 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: I didn't know that, tbh. But then why isn't it that efficient cost-wise? I cannot speak about education, but the same effect is true in healthcare. What few people know is that the US spends more public money on healthcare than any other country, despite having such a horrific privatized healthcare system where people pay shitloads out of pocket. Source The US is just bad at spending its public money because it wants to privatize everything, but notices that people actually need the thing that is privatized. I assume education may be the same thing. (The US doesn't get better results for the money spent either, look at other stats in that study.) | ||
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farvacola
United States18839 Posts
On September 08 2022 02:09 Simberto wrote: I cannot speak about education, but the same effect is true in healthcare. What few people know is that the US spends more public money on healthcare than any other country, despite having such a horrific privatized healthcare system where people pay shitloads out of pocket. Source The US is just bad at spending its public money because it wants to privatize everything, but notices that people actually need the thing that is privatized. I assume education may be the same thing. (The US doesn't get better results for the money spent either, look at other stats in that study.) This is accurate, the US twists itself in public-private knots such that it ends up with a lot of the worst aspects of both worlds. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23488 Posts
On September 08 2022 02:09 Simberto wrote: I cannot speak about education, but the same effect is true in healthcare. What few people know is that the US spends more public money on healthcare than any other country, despite having such a horrific privatized healthcare system where people pay shitloads out of pocket. Source The US is just bad at spending its public money because it wants to privatize everything, but notices that people actually need the thing that is privatized. I assume education may be the same thing. (The US doesn't get better results for the money spent either, look at other stats in that study.) I wonder how profits from education and healthcare compare across countries? It could be as simple as prioritizing profits and doing better than everyone else at that. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On September 08 2022 03:19 JimmiC wrote: People have this thought that private is always cheaper. But that is not true, it is generally true in industries that have competition, low barriers to entry and so on. But in cases like prisons, healthcare, education, waste, and so on having the shareholders best interest at heart hurts the public both because their goals do not align and because these things are must haves people will pay whatever it costs. It especially hurts smaller communities because the profits that are being made are heading to big centers like NY. Think of waste hauling for a simple example. You could either have a few over paid garbage truck drivers who live and spend in the community they work in. Or slightly less under paid drivers with all the profits leaving the community. The costs in the end from all the comparison's I've seen are even lower with public, but even if they are not, what is better for the community? I guess this could be the issue, because afaik at least in Finland there is no shareholders in education, in US sense at least. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26081 Posts
On September 08 2022 03:27 GreenHorizons wrote: I wonder how profits from education and healthcare compare across countries? It could be as simple as prioritizing profits and doing better than everyone else at that. I mean basically this. I’m not generally a big fan of capitalism, but hey it is the overarching system we’re under the yoke of. Under such a system, well yeah there are absolutely places where private enterprise is beneficial. There are plenty of places where I mean use any metric under the sun and it isn’t. Not even considering moral questions, but even on an efficiency or cost/benefit basis. I can shelve my various moral proclivities and even being a hard-nosed pragmatic capitalist, if a sector is more expensive, sometimes considerably so [i]and[\i] delivers if anything worse outcomes than stuff that works elsewhere, I mean it ticks zero boxes. Happy cake day my good man! | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45077 Posts
Judge rejects Trump lawsuit against Hillary Clinton over 2016 Russia claims https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/09/trump-hillary-clinton-lawsuit-russia-allegations?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1662730765 Court ‘not the appropriate forum’ for former president’s complaint that Democrats unfairly linked his winning campaign to Russia A US judge has dismissed Donald Trump’s lawsuit against his 2016 rival Hillary Clinton, saying the former Republican president’s allegations that Democrats tried to rig that election by linking his campaign to Russia was an attempt to “flaunt” political grievances that did not belong in court. In throwing out Trump’s lawsuit on Thursday night, judge Donald Middlebrooks of the US district court for the southern district of Florida said the lawsuit was not seeking “redress for any legal harm” and that the court was “not the appropriate forum” for the former president’s complaints. “He is seeking to flaunt a two-hundred-page political manifesto outlining his grievances against those that have opposed him,” Middlebrooks said in his ruling. Trump in March had sued Clinton, the 2016 Democratic presidential nominee, and several other Democrats alleging “racketeering,” a “conspiracy to commit injurious falsehood” and other claims in a 108-page lawsuit that echoed the long list of grievances he repeatedly aired during his four years in the White House after beating Clinton. He had sought compensatory and punitive damages, saying he had incurred more than $24m in “defense costs, legal fees, and related expenses”. In his ruling, Middlebrooks said Trump had waited too long to file his complaint by exceeding the legal statute of limitations for his claims and that he failed to make his case that he was harmed by any falsehoods, noting that many of the statements made by the defendants were “plainly protected by the First Amendment” of the US constitution governing free speech. Representatives for Clinton and Trump did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the ruling. Other defendants included Democratic representative Adam Schiff, who led one of the US House of Representatives’ two impeachments against Trump, and Christopher Steele, a former British intelligence officer who wrote a dossier circulated to the FBI and media outlets before the 2016 election. US intelligence officials and others in the US government have accused Russia of meddling in that election. Moscow has denied that it interfered in the campaign. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18128 Posts
On September 10 2022 05:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: How is he *still* so mad at Hillary Clinton!? It's 2022, what the heck. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/sep/09/trump-hillary-clinton-lawsuit-russia-allegations?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1662730765 Deflection, whataboutism and gish galloping are pretty much the bread and butter of the how-to-Trump playbook. I don't know why you're surprised. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
Good faith is more than saying what you think people want to hear. It's about conveying that you give the first shit about anything beyond your own gratification. It's about action, showing through deed that you're not just making a vindictive power play to fuck over >50% of the population and take away their rights, it's about showing that you have any principles to speak of. The silence on this subject was their chance to show principle. I don't find any of this surprising, I'm just noting for posterity. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14048 Posts
On September 14 2022 00:16 NewSunshine wrote: I'm going to note once again that months after Conservatives' hemming and hawing about how Roe's reversal was actually okay, and that they would definitely look into alternative avenues of support for everyone they're forcing to give birth now that they're banning abortion, we have heard not a goddamn thing about it. Just more of the utterly predictable headlines about someone carrying a dangerous pregnancy because their healthcare options are now outlawed. Crickets from the Republicans who got their win, and are hoping you've forgotten what they did. Good faith is more than saying what you think people want to hear. It's about conveying that you give the first shit about anything beyond your own gratification. It's about action, showing through deed that you're not just making a vindictive power play to fuck over >50% of the population and take away their rights, it's about showing that you have any principles to speak of. The silence on this subject was their chance to show principle. I don't find any of this surprising, I'm just noting for posterity. I was going to comment on rumors earlier but now they've filed for a federal abortion ban. It was never about state rights it was always about punishing women and killing more of them. | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
The DOJ has issued about 40 more subpoenas to Trump aides Mike Lindell's phone has been seized by the FBI. Lindell, being the smart man he is, shared the warrant for everyone to read The Senate is now investigating allegations that Trump used his DOJ to investigate his critics and protect his allies And for everyone else whose lost track of how criminal Trump really is, here's Sean Hannity reminding the world of every Trump investigation with a nice, scrolling list to really drive the point home | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
Of course, the scary part of just admitting everything out loud is that when your brainwashed followers don't bat an eye, you're basically home-free at that point. They're literally calling to instate Christian Nationalism through the use of violence and by ignoring the will of the voters and usurping power for themselves. And at this point the Republican voters don't question it. They're on board. | ||
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