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JimmiC
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
you gotta say so or it's not true Like, the arrogance you must have to think your approval is either desired or required for someone to be able to make their own decisions in planning their family. Go ahead and seek the blessing of folks in your circle, and keep that shit there. Save your opinions for the people who care. I personally find a lot of reasons to be in favor of giving someone the right to have an abortion. But I feel this is the big one: nobody asked y'all. | ||
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Neneu
Norway492 Posts
On May 12 2022 22:05 JimmiC wrote: Sure and by the same logic if you think jews/muslims whoever are pure evil, no expectations there either. This is why we as a society tend to not make rules based on what peopld really think. Son of sam really thought those people were demons for example. Well if you really think abortion is murder (which in my head means that you are an idiot), it doesn't become less murder just because the dad is a rapist and/or your uncle. It's the only consistent logical view. If you think abortion is murder, but want to make exceptions on rapes/incests, you either don't really think it's murder or you are experiencing heavy cognitive dissonance. | ||
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JimmiC
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Sermokala
United States14104 Posts
Do you still think this will lower tensions in America introvert? | ||
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JimmiC
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KwarK
United States43866 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28784 Posts
Then I see you state that 'some states will have sane laws', that '... draws the line about where most Americans would like to see it drawn. 15ish weeks.', that 'Democrats have gone from "safe, legal, and rare" to considering a law in line with a number of European nations as a great blow against human rights'. Essentially, it sounds like you're constructing your argument like you are arguing in favor of woman's right to choose until week 15 but against late term abortions, but I had the impression your own opinion was actually quite a bit more restrictive than that. Would love to know what, in your mind, constitutes grounds for legal abortion. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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JimmiC
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NewSunshine
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Simberto
Germany11797 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On May 13 2022 05:54 JimmiC wrote: Seems like a dichish response given how nice Drone is to you, it is not about comparing how much people want to control or hate women it is that if we transparently know where each other stand then you can find where you have common ground and where you have differnces. Im pretty happy with our laws where there is no criminality attached but no health practioners will do it without a medical reason after 23 weeks 6 days, some are not willing before that point. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Canada#:~:text=Abortion in Canada is legal,and provincial health-care systems. I can barely understand your posts of run-on sentences and spelling errors. Are you posting with something that doesn't have a spell check function? My post is not a response to Drone. His post gave me the idea for my post. If we want to criticize pro-lifers for lacking consistency and wanting to control what a woman does with her body we should be prepared to state what restrictions, if any, we think should be placed on abortion. Then it's just a question of who is applying the proper amount of control over a woman's body. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On May 13 2022 06:18 Simberto wrote: Yeah, from a choice perspective, abortions should be available at least until something like "time the woman almost certainly knows + 1 month". So, a minimum of roughly 3 months, i guess. 12 weeks is hella early. Pretty sure that would have been the earliest of any state until Texas came out with their 6 week ban. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22208 Posts
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
It would shock me if very many conservatives actually said they value the federalism part more; hardly anybody actually weights process concerns like that over getting real results on the issues. That sets up a legal standoff over jurisdictional issues. No idea how it turns out but we could get providers in blue states which make a point of guaranteeing, one way or another, that no medical information will be disclosed to other states’ law enforcement. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26531 Posts
On May 13 2022 05:30 BlackJack wrote: I think everyone should state their opinion on what their ideal abortion laws are. That way we can create a barometer on how much each of us hates and wants to control women. I'll go first. Personally I think viability is a good end-point for allowing abortion. So around 20 weeks if we're being generous to the fetus or 22 weeks if we're being generous to the birthing person. I hate and want to control women, just not in this domain. Personally I would allow abortions up to the point of viability, or at least in that ballpark. With exceptions for foetuses that would not survive birth if that’s picked up in scans etc. Just if we’re laying cards on the table as per actual positions, which I think is a good idea. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22208 Posts
On May 13 2022 06:38 ChristianS wrote: I have absolutely no doubt that Republican states that try to ban abortions will aim to make it illegal to travel out of state for an abortion.I think the more important policy barometer in the near future is likely to be how you think interstate differences in policy should be handled. If someone goes to CA to get an abortion, is that a crime? “Yes” would appear to conflict with normal conservative doctrine of federalism, “no” would undermine most of the moral weight of the cause. Was all this worth it just to make people drive further to get the abortions? It would shock me if very many conservatives actually said they value the federalism part more; hardly anybody actually weights process concerns like that over getting real results on the issues. That sets up a legal standoff over jurisdictional issues. No idea how it turns out but we could get providers in blue states which make a point of guaranteeing, one way or another, that no medical information will be disclosed to other states’ law enforcement. This has nothing to do with 'state rights' or federalism. | ||
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