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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
April 12 2022 01:11 GMT
#71601
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gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2605 Posts
April 12 2022 03:18 GMT
#71602
I've heard some Congress members advocate for open borders and arguing that illegal immigrants shouldn't be deported for seeking a better life.
To be clear that is not the party's policy.

I'd respect them more if they advocated for creating a new visa with an unlimited quota for workers to work here.
At least then that is a constructive policy instead of advocating for ignoring laws.
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14208 Posts
April 12 2022 03:48 GMT
#71603
They've been talking about comprehensive immigration reform for decades apon decades and it never goes anywhere. Republicans want to put their heads in the sand and keep the current broken system and the democrats think its a great wedge issue for their base to keep voter turnout high.

Having a path to citizenship that doesn't require a lawyer isn't something you can argue against. Having seasonal and residency visas so that they pay taxes and receive the services they pay those taxes on legally isn't something you can argue against. not spending trillions on a system to keep Mexicans from crossing the border illegally isn't something you can argue for. And yet people do.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
April 12 2022 05:24 GMT
#71604
On April 12 2022 12:48 Sermokala wrote:
They've been talking about comprehensive immigration reform for decades apon decades and it never goes anywhere. Republicans want to put their heads in the sand and keep the current broken system and the democrats think its a great wedge issue for their base to keep voter turnout high.

Having a path to citizenship that doesn't require a lawyer isn't something you can argue against. Having seasonal and residency visas so that they pay taxes and receive the services they pay those taxes on legally isn't something you can argue against. not spending trillions on a system to keep Mexicans from crossing the border illegally isn't something you can argue for. And yet people do.


The funny thing about Democrats trying to use illegal immigration as a rallying call for Hispanics is that the idea that we would all flock around the idea of protecting illegal Mexican immigrants was itself fairly racist and Karen'ish.

1) Hispanics do not identify with one another in a broad sense. People from Chile do not see themselves as default homies with people from Columbia and so on. So even ignoring the other aspect of racism among South American countries, the unity was never there to begin with

2) A lot of Hispanics have an insecurity about not being labeled as an uneducated minority and try to distinguish themselves and blend in with white America. Mexican immigrants who can't speak English are actually the group that snobby Hispanics are trying to distance themselves from

3) The Catholic church is big in South America. Gay stuff and abortion stuff are yikes issues to many of them.

Hispanic culture across a wide range of countries strongly emphasizes collectivism and a lot of the general philosophies of the democratic party. Stuff like healthcare reform, taxing the rich and stuff like that is fairly widely agreed upon from my experience. But the "identity" issues that democrats are going for are incredibly toxic. Democrats completely shit the bed. There is a reason Texas is seeing a lot of Hispanic women supporting Republicans. Democrats don't have a clue how Hispanic culture functions.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18438 Posts
April 12 2022 05:56 GMT
#71605
On April 12 2022 14:24 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2022 12:48 Sermokala wrote:
They've been talking about comprehensive immigration reform for decades apon decades and it never goes anywhere. Republicans want to put their heads in the sand and keep the current broken system and the democrats think its a great wedge issue for their base to keep voter turnout high.

Having a path to citizenship that doesn't require a lawyer isn't something you can argue against. Having seasonal and residency visas so that they pay taxes and receive the services they pay those taxes on legally isn't something you can argue against. not spending trillions on a system to keep Mexicans from crossing the border illegally isn't something you can argue for. And yet people do.


The funny thing about Democrats trying to use illegal immigration as a rallying call for Hispanics is that the idea that we would all flock around the idea of protecting illegal Mexican immigrants was itself fairly racist and Karen'ish.

1) Hispanics do not identify with one another in a broad sense. People from Chile do not see themselves as default homies with people from Columbia and so on. So even ignoring the other aspect of racism among South American countries, the unity was never there to begin with

2) A lot of Hispanics have an insecurity about not being labeled as an uneducated minority and try to distinguish themselves and blend in with white America. Mexican immigrants who can't speak English are actually the group that snobby Hispanics are trying to distance themselves from

3) The Catholic church is big in South America. Gay stuff and abortion stuff are yikes issues to many of them.

Hispanic culture across a wide range of countries strongly emphasizes collectivism and a lot of the general philosophies of the democratic party. Stuff like healthcare reform, taxing the rich and stuff like that is fairly widely agreed upon from my experience. But the "identity" issues that democrats are going for are incredibly toxic. Democrats completely shit the bed. There is a reason Texas is seeing a lot of Hispanic women supporting Republicans. Democrats don't have a clue how Hispanic culture functions.

It's Colombia. Unless you were implying Democrats think people from Chile have brotherly feelings for the residents of a small town in South Carolina?
gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2605 Posts
April 12 2022 11:27 GMT
#71606
On April 12 2022 14:24 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2022 12:48 Sermokala wrote:
They've been talking about comprehensive immigration reform for decades apon decades and it never goes anywhere. Republicans want to put their heads in the sand and keep the current broken system and the democrats think its a great wedge issue for their base to keep voter turnout high.

Having a path to citizenship that doesn't require a lawyer isn't something you can argue against. Having seasonal and residency visas so that they pay taxes and receive the services they pay those taxes on legally isn't something you can argue against. not spending trillions on a system to keep Mexicans from crossing the border illegally isn't something you can argue for. And yet people do.


The funny thing about Democrats trying to use illegal immigration as a rallying call for Hispanics is that the idea that we would all flock around the idea of protecting illegal Mexican immigrants was itself fairly racist and Karen'ish.

1) Hispanics do not identify with one another in a broad sense. People from Chile do not see themselves as default homies with people from Columbia and so on. So even ignoring the other aspect of racism among South American countries, the unity was never there to begin with

2) A lot of Hispanics have an insecurity about not being labeled as an uneducated minority and try to distinguish themselves and blend in with white America. Mexican immigrants who can't speak English are actually the group that snobby Hispanics are trying to distance themselves from

3) The Catholic church is big in South America. Gay stuff and abortion stuff are yikes issues to many of them.

Hispanic culture across a wide range of countries strongly emphasizes collectivism and a lot of the general philosophies of the democratic party. Stuff like healthcare reform, taxing the rich and stuff like that is fairly widely agreed upon from my experience. But the "identity" issues that democrats are going for are incredibly toxic. Democrats completely shit the bed. There is a reason Texas is seeing a lot of Hispanic women supporting Republicans. Democrats don't have a clue how Hispanic culture functions.


Considering they came up with the word Latinx, I'm pretty sure you are right that the Dems have no idea.
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
April 12 2022 12:55 GMT
#71607
On April 12 2022 14:24 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2022 12:48 Sermokala wrote:
They've been talking about comprehensive immigration reform for decades apon decades and it never goes anywhere. Republicans want to put their heads in the sand and keep the current broken system and the democrats think its a great wedge issue for their base to keep voter turnout high.

Having a path to citizenship that doesn't require a lawyer isn't something you can argue against. Having seasonal and residency visas so that they pay taxes and receive the services they pay those taxes on legally isn't something you can argue against. not spending trillions on a system to keep Mexicans from crossing the border illegally isn't something you can argue for. And yet people do.


The funny thing about Democrats trying to use illegal immigration as a rallying call for Hispanics is that the idea that we would all flock around the idea of protecting illegal Mexican immigrants was itself fairly racist and Karen'ish.

1) Hispanics do not identify with one another in a broad sense. People from Chile do not see themselves as default homies with people from Columbia and so on. So even ignoring the other aspect of racism among South American countries, the unity was never there to begin with

2) A lot of Hispanics have an insecurity about not being labeled as an uneducated minority and try to distinguish themselves and blend in with white America. Mexican immigrants who can't speak English are actually the group that snobby Hispanics are trying to distance themselves from

3) The Catholic church is big in South America. Gay stuff and abortion stuff are yikes issues to many of them.

Hispanic culture across a wide range of countries strongly emphasizes collectivism and a lot of the general philosophies of the democratic party. Stuff like healthcare reform, taxing the rich and stuff like that is fairly widely agreed upon from my experience. But the "identity" issues that democrats are going for are incredibly toxic. Democrats completely shit the bed. There is a reason Texas is seeing a lot of Hispanic women supporting Republicans. Democrats don't have a clue how Hispanic culture functions.

I take it more as "People shouldn't harass for papers or tell you to go back to a country you were never from for the sole reason that you look Hispanic and have an accent."
Doc.Rivers
Profile Joined December 2011
United States404 Posts
April 12 2022 13:08 GMT
#71608
Looks as though some dems are getting the message. Physical barriers are a winning issue because common sense tells us they would be effective at preventing illegal border crossing:

JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
April 12 2022 13:30 GMT
#71609
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44286 Posts
April 12 2022 13:52 GMT
#71610
On April 12 2022 22:08 Doc.Rivers wrote:
Looks as though some dems are getting the message. Physical barriers are a winning issue because common sense tells us they would be effective at preventing illegal border crossing:

https://twitter.com/natalie_allison/status/1513602056694767629

Physical barriers only work if they’re actively staffed which is why we already have a bunch of walls in areas where walls make sense and no walls where they wouldn’t work. This is the issue with “common sense”. A giant wall along the southern border is dumb as fuck and Trumpers are dumb for not seeing that. You’d have to build a series of roads from the border to maintain the wall which would make immigration easier, not harder.
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Doc.Rivers
Profile Joined December 2011
United States404 Posts
April 12 2022 14:06 GMT
#71611
Yeah I mean I'm not sure anyone is saying we should build a wall over 100% of the border. But it is new and different for democratic senators to be admitting that physical barriers are a good idea. Trump showed it to be a winning issue, and now many seem to be acknowledging that it is urgent that we do more to stop illegal immigration at the southern border.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
April 12 2022 14:31 GMT
#71612
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44286 Posts
April 12 2022 14:34 GMT
#71613
On April 12 2022 23:06 Doc.Rivers wrote:
Yeah I mean I'm not sure anyone is saying we should build a wall over 100% of the border. But it is new and different for democratic senators to be admitting that physical barriers are a good idea. Trump showed it to be a winning issue, and now many seem to be acknowledging that it is urgent that we do more to stop illegal immigration at the southern border.

It’s really not a new thing. We’ve always had physical barriers. Clinton built a bunch of them. The point has always been that a wall along the entire border, which a lot of conservatives are explicitly calling for, is dumb as fuck. Walls on either side of gates at checkpoints aren’t controversial.

You’ve reimagined both sides of this. The two sides aren’t liberals saying tear down all physical barriers everywhere and Trumpers saying that some fencing at strategic locations is probably smart. They’re liberals saying that a giant wall across the entire southern border is dumb and Trumpers saying it would be great.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
April 12 2022 18:47 GMT
#71614
On April 12 2022 05:06 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2022 04:57 plasmidghost wrote:
With the midterms happening in seven months, what can Biden do to improve seriously lagging poll numbers and enthusiasm? More importantly, what will he be likely to do?


1) Targeted tax on all billionaires

2) Substantial student loan reform

3) Don't touch abortion with a 10 ft pole

4) Don't touch immigration with a 10 ft pole

5) Executive order on something related to drug prices

6) Executive order on something related to child tax credit

7) Executive order on weed

8) Take obvious action in Ukraine such that the Ukraine war wraps up and the US had an obvious, large role in Russia losing

9) Gas prices average down to $3

10) Inflation not a big deal anymore through some mechanism


Not sure I agree that defending women’s reproductive rights is a losing issue for Democrats. It’s a fantastic reason to not vote for a Republican. The strategy to ignore abortion and focus on student loans might sound better to someone with student loan debt and a lack of ovaries than it does to the average American.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
April 12 2022 19:13 GMT
#71615
On April 13 2022 03:47 BlackJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2022 05:06 Mohdoo wrote:
On April 12 2022 04:57 plasmidghost wrote:
With the midterms happening in seven months, what can Biden do to improve seriously lagging poll numbers and enthusiasm? More importantly, what will he be likely to do?


1) Targeted tax on all billionaires

2) Substantial student loan reform

3) Don't touch abortion with a 10 ft pole

4) Don't touch immigration with a 10 ft pole

5) Executive order on something related to drug prices

6) Executive order on something related to child tax credit

7) Executive order on weed

8) Take obvious action in Ukraine such that the Ukraine war wraps up and the US had an obvious, large role in Russia losing

9) Gas prices average down to $3

10) Inflation not a big deal anymore through some mechanism


Not sure I agree that defending women’s reproductive rights is a losing issue for Democrats. It’s a fantastic reason to not vote for a Republican. The strategy to ignore abortion and focus on student loans might sound better to someone with student loan debt and a lack of ovaries than it does to the average American.


The problem with the abortion fight is that it is a spicy topic in areas that Democrats are vulnerable. It is important and ethical to defend women's rights, but the benefit of it as a rallying call are questionable at best from a house/senate perspective. What I am saying is that I don't expect Democrats to win any seats by yelling about abortion. For people who abortion is very important, they know whether to vote democrat or republican. Focusing on issues like taxing the rich are a lot easier for people to agree on in the kinds of districts that are toss up elections.
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
April 12 2022 19:47 GMT
#71616
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
April 12 2022 20:35 GMT
#71617
Sounds like a pretty delusional claim. Trucks lining up at the gas station suggests we're low on diesel, which is a global supply chain issue. Blaming the little things like inefficiencies in regulation of ports (which is what I found by reading the Texas Democrats website) sounds like petty politicking. Focusing on the little problems because Republicans are in charge of the little problems whereas Democrats are in charge of the big one.

And to be fair it's not entirely Biden's fault, but it sure as hell is his mess to manage. He "did that" far more than Abbott did, at any rate.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
April 12 2022 21:34 GMT
#71618
To be fair, petty delusional claims have been shown to help win elections in the US as of late, lol
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
April 12 2022 21:38 GMT
#71619
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Doc.Rivers
Profile Joined December 2011
United States404 Posts
April 12 2022 21:59 GMT
#71620
On April 12 2022 23:34 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2022 23:06 Doc.Rivers wrote:
Yeah I mean I'm not sure anyone is saying we should build a wall over 100% of the border. But it is new and different for democratic senators to be admitting that physical barriers are a good idea. Trump showed it to be a winning issue, and now many seem to be acknowledging that it is urgent that we do more to stop illegal immigration at the southern border.

It’s really not a new thing. We’ve always had physical barriers. Clinton built a bunch of them. The point has always been that a wall along the entire border, which a lot of conservatives are explicitly calling for, is dumb as fuck. Walls on either side of gates at checkpoints aren’t controversial.

You’ve reimagined both sides of this. The two sides aren’t liberals saying tear down all physical barriers everywhere and Trumpers saying that some fencing at strategic locations is probably smart. They’re liberals saying that a giant wall across the entire southern border is dumb and Trumpers saying it would be great.


Maybe a couple trumpers on Twitter said the wall should be built on top of mountains and in the middle of rivers. But Trump won an election with "build the wall" being his main point, and dems opposed his barrier-building at every turn. What I heard liberals saying was that barriers are ineffective (must oppose trump; all it takes is a ladder to get over the barrier). E.g. the NPR article Jimmi cited implies that barriers are ineffective because border crossing numbers are high in areas where there are barriers.
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