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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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gobbledydook
Australia2602 Posts
To be clear that is not the party's policy. I'd respect them more if they advocated for creating a new visa with an unlimited quota for workers to work here. At least then that is a constructive policy instead of advocating for ignoring laws. | ||
Sermokala
United States13866 Posts
Having a path to citizenship that doesn't require a lawyer isn't something you can argue against. Having seasonal and residency visas so that they pay taxes and receive the services they pay those taxes on legally isn't something you can argue against. not spending trillions on a system to keep Mexicans from crossing the border illegally isn't something you can argue for. And yet people do. | ||
Mohdoo
United States15642 Posts
On April 12 2022 12:48 Sermokala wrote: They've been talking about comprehensive immigration reform for decades apon decades and it never goes anywhere. Republicans want to put their heads in the sand and keep the current broken system and the democrats think its a great wedge issue for their base to keep voter turnout high. Having a path to citizenship that doesn't require a lawyer isn't something you can argue against. Having seasonal and residency visas so that they pay taxes and receive the services they pay those taxes on legally isn't something you can argue against. not spending trillions on a system to keep Mexicans from crossing the border illegally isn't something you can argue for. And yet people do. The funny thing about Democrats trying to use illegal immigration as a rallying call for Hispanics is that the idea that we would all flock around the idea of protecting illegal Mexican immigrants was itself fairly racist and Karen'ish. 1) Hispanics do not identify with one another in a broad sense. People from Chile do not see themselves as default homies with people from Columbia and so on. So even ignoring the other aspect of racism among South American countries, the unity was never there to begin with 2) A lot of Hispanics have an insecurity about not being labeled as an uneducated minority and try to distinguish themselves and blend in with white America. Mexican immigrants who can't speak English are actually the group that snobby Hispanics are trying to distance themselves from 3) The Catholic church is big in South America. Gay stuff and abortion stuff are yikes issues to many of them. Hispanic culture across a wide range of countries strongly emphasizes collectivism and a lot of the general philosophies of the democratic party. Stuff like healthcare reform, taxing the rich and stuff like that is fairly widely agreed upon from my experience. But the "identity" issues that democrats are going for are incredibly toxic. Democrats completely shit the bed. There is a reason Texas is seeing a lot of Hispanic women supporting Republicans. Democrats don't have a clue how Hispanic culture functions. | ||
Acrofales
Spain17963 Posts
On April 12 2022 14:24 Mohdoo wrote: The funny thing about Democrats trying to use illegal immigration as a rallying call for Hispanics is that the idea that we would all flock around the idea of protecting illegal Mexican immigrants was itself fairly racist and Karen'ish. 1) Hispanics do not identify with one another in a broad sense. People from Chile do not see themselves as default homies with people from Columbia and so on. So even ignoring the other aspect of racism among South American countries, the unity was never there to begin with 2) A lot of Hispanics have an insecurity about not being labeled as an uneducated minority and try to distinguish themselves and blend in with white America. Mexican immigrants who can't speak English are actually the group that snobby Hispanics are trying to distance themselves from 3) The Catholic church is big in South America. Gay stuff and abortion stuff are yikes issues to many of them. Hispanic culture across a wide range of countries strongly emphasizes collectivism and a lot of the general philosophies of the democratic party. Stuff like healthcare reform, taxing the rich and stuff like that is fairly widely agreed upon from my experience. But the "identity" issues that democrats are going for are incredibly toxic. Democrats completely shit the bed. There is a reason Texas is seeing a lot of Hispanic women supporting Republicans. Democrats don't have a clue how Hispanic culture functions. It's Colombia. Unless you were implying Democrats think people from Chile have brotherly feelings for the residents of a small town in South Carolina? | ||
gobbledydook
Australia2602 Posts
On April 12 2022 14:24 Mohdoo wrote: The funny thing about Democrats trying to use illegal immigration as a rallying call for Hispanics is that the idea that we would all flock around the idea of protecting illegal Mexican immigrants was itself fairly racist and Karen'ish. 1) Hispanics do not identify with one another in a broad sense. People from Chile do not see themselves as default homies with people from Columbia and so on. So even ignoring the other aspect of racism among South American countries, the unity was never there to begin with 2) A lot of Hispanics have an insecurity about not being labeled as an uneducated minority and try to distinguish themselves and blend in with white America. Mexican immigrants who can't speak English are actually the group that snobby Hispanics are trying to distance themselves from 3) The Catholic church is big in South America. Gay stuff and abortion stuff are yikes issues to many of them. Hispanic culture across a wide range of countries strongly emphasizes collectivism and a lot of the general philosophies of the democratic party. Stuff like healthcare reform, taxing the rich and stuff like that is fairly widely agreed upon from my experience. But the "identity" issues that democrats are going for are incredibly toxic. Democrats completely shit the bed. There is a reason Texas is seeing a lot of Hispanic women supporting Republicans. Democrats don't have a clue how Hispanic culture functions. Considering they came up with the word Latinx, I'm pretty sure you are right that the Dems have no idea. | ||
Gahlo
United States35131 Posts
On April 12 2022 14:24 Mohdoo wrote: The funny thing about Democrats trying to use illegal immigration as a rallying call for Hispanics is that the idea that we would all flock around the idea of protecting illegal Mexican immigrants was itself fairly racist and Karen'ish. 1) Hispanics do not identify with one another in a broad sense. People from Chile do not see themselves as default homies with people from Columbia and so on. So even ignoring the other aspect of racism among South American countries, the unity was never there to begin with 2) A lot of Hispanics have an insecurity about not being labeled as an uneducated minority and try to distinguish themselves and blend in with white America. Mexican immigrants who can't speak English are actually the group that snobby Hispanics are trying to distance themselves from 3) The Catholic church is big in South America. Gay stuff and abortion stuff are yikes issues to many of them. Hispanic culture across a wide range of countries strongly emphasizes collectivism and a lot of the general philosophies of the democratic party. Stuff like healthcare reform, taxing the rich and stuff like that is fairly widely agreed upon from my experience. But the "identity" issues that democrats are going for are incredibly toxic. Democrats completely shit the bed. There is a reason Texas is seeing a lot of Hispanic women supporting Republicans. Democrats don't have a clue how Hispanic culture functions. I take it more as "People shouldn't harass for papers or tell you to go back to a country you were never from for the sole reason that you look Hispanic and have an accent." | ||
Doc.Rivers
United States404 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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KwarK
United States42516 Posts
On April 12 2022 22:08 Doc.Rivers wrote: Looks as though some dems are getting the message. Physical barriers are a winning issue because common sense tells us they would be effective at preventing illegal border crossing: https://twitter.com/natalie_allison/status/1513602056694767629 Physical barriers only work if they’re actively staffed which is why we already have a bunch of walls in areas where walls make sense and no walls where they wouldn’t work. This is the issue with “common sense”. A giant wall along the southern border is dumb as fuck and Trumpers are dumb for not seeing that. You’d have to build a series of roads from the border to maintain the wall which would make immigration easier, not harder. | ||
Doc.Rivers
United States404 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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KwarK
United States42516 Posts
On April 12 2022 23:06 Doc.Rivers wrote: Yeah I mean I'm not sure anyone is saying we should build a wall over 100% of the border. But it is new and different for democratic senators to be admitting that physical barriers are a good idea. Trump showed it to be a winning issue, and now many seem to be acknowledging that it is urgent that we do more to stop illegal immigration at the southern border. It’s really not a new thing. We’ve always had physical barriers. Clinton built a bunch of them. The point has always been that a wall along the entire border, which a lot of conservatives are explicitly calling for, is dumb as fuck. Walls on either side of gates at checkpoints aren’t controversial. You’ve reimagined both sides of this. The two sides aren’t liberals saying tear down all physical barriers everywhere and Trumpers saying that some fencing at strategic locations is probably smart. They’re liberals saying that a giant wall across the entire southern border is dumb and Trumpers saying it would be great. | ||
BlackJack
United States10427 Posts
On April 12 2022 05:06 Mohdoo wrote: 1) Targeted tax on all billionaires 2) Substantial student loan reform 3) Don't touch abortion with a 10 ft pole 4) Don't touch immigration with a 10 ft pole 5) Executive order on something related to drug prices 6) Executive order on something related to child tax credit 7) Executive order on weed 8) Take obvious action in Ukraine such that the Ukraine war wraps up and the US had an obvious, large role in Russia losing 9) Gas prices average down to $3 10) Inflation not a big deal anymore through some mechanism Not sure I agree that defending women’s reproductive rights is a losing issue for Democrats. It’s a fantastic reason to not vote for a Republican. The strategy to ignore abortion and focus on student loans might sound better to someone with student loan debt and a lack of ovaries than it does to the average American. | ||
Mohdoo
United States15642 Posts
On April 13 2022 03:47 BlackJack wrote: Not sure I agree that defending women’s reproductive rights is a losing issue for Democrats. It’s a fantastic reason to not vote for a Republican. The strategy to ignore abortion and focus on student loans might sound better to someone with student loan debt and a lack of ovaries than it does to the average American. The problem with the abortion fight is that it is a spicy topic in areas that Democrats are vulnerable. It is important and ethical to defend women's rights, but the benefit of it as a rallying call are questionable at best from a house/senate perspective. What I am saying is that I don't expect Democrats to win any seats by yelling about abortion. For people who abortion is very important, they know whether to vote democrat or republican. Focusing on issues like taxing the rich are a lot easier for people to agree on in the kinds of districts that are toss up elections. | ||
plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
Looks like Beto O'Rourke is (correctly, in my opinion) countering the claims of Biden being responsible for inflation by saying Greg Abbott is responsible for it here. I feel like as inflation keeps hitting us, it could work out in Beto's favor. One poll has Abbott leading by only two points. It also found that a plurality of Texans understandably list the economy as their biggest concern. https://www.texaslyceum.org/lyceum-poll-3 Overall, I think that Beto could very well win, but there's still seven months to go | ||
LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
And to be fair it's not entirely Biden's fault, but it sure as hell is his mess to manage. He "did that" far more than Abbott did, at any rate. | ||
Zambrah
United States7288 Posts
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
On April 13 2022 06:34 Zambrah wrote: To be fair, petty delusional claims have been shown to help win elections in the US as of late, lol Yeah, like even if it's baseless, it is most likely going to play well since he'll tap into the anger of us | ||
Doc.Rivers
United States404 Posts
On April 12 2022 23:34 KwarK wrote: It’s really not a new thing. We’ve always had physical barriers. Clinton built a bunch of them. The point has always been that a wall along the entire border, which a lot of conservatives are explicitly calling for, is dumb as fuck. Walls on either side of gates at checkpoints aren’t controversial. You’ve reimagined both sides of this. The two sides aren’t liberals saying tear down all physical barriers everywhere and Trumpers saying that some fencing at strategic locations is probably smart. They’re liberals saying that a giant wall across the entire southern border is dumb and Trumpers saying it would be great. Maybe a couple trumpers on Twitter said the wall should be built on top of mountains and in the middle of rivers. But Trump won an election with "build the wall" being his main point, and dems opposed his barrier-building at every turn. What I heard liberals saying was that barriers are ineffective (must oppose trump; all it takes is a ladder to get over the barrier). E.g. the NPR article Jimmi cited implies that barriers are ineffective because border crossing numbers are high in areas where there are barriers. | ||
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