US Politics Mega-thread - Page 3581

On April 12 2022 12:48 Sermokala wrote:
They've been talking about comprehensive immigration reform for decades apon decades and it never goes anywhere. Republicans want to put their heads in the sand and keep the current broken system and the democrats think its a great wedge issue for their base to keep voter turnout high.

Having a path to citizenship that doesn't require a lawyer isn't something you can argue against. Having seasonal and residency visas so that they pay taxes and receive the services they pay those taxes on legally isn't something you can argue against. not spending trillions on a system to keep Mexicans from crossing the border illegally isn't something you can argue for. And yet people do.

On April 12 2022 14:24 Mohdoo wrote:


The funny thing about Democrats trying to use illegal immigration as a rallying call for Hispanics is that the idea that we would all flock around the idea of protecting illegal Mexican immigrants was itself fairly racist and Karen'ish.

1) Hispanics do not identify with one another in a broad sense. People from Chile do not see themselves as default homies with people from Columbia and so on. So even ignoring the other aspect of racism among South American countries, the unity was never there to begin with

2) A lot of Hispanics have an insecurity about not being labeled as an uneducated minority and try to distinguish themselves and blend in with white America. Mexican immigrants who can't speak English are actually the group that snobby Hispanics are trying to distance themselves from

3) The Catholic church is big in South America. Gay stuff and abortion stuff are yikes issues to many of them.

Hispanic culture across a wide range of countries strongly emphasizes collectivism and a lot of the general philosophies of the democratic party. Stuff like healthcare reform, taxing the rich and stuff like that is fairly widely agreed upon from my experience. But the "identity" issues that democrats are going for are incredibly toxic. Democrats completely shit the bed. There is a reason Texas is seeing a lot of Hispanic women supporting Republicans. Democrats don't have a clue how Hispanic culture functions.

On April 12 2022 14:24 Mohdoo wrote:


The funny thing about Democrats trying to use illegal immigration as a rallying call for Hispanics is that the idea that we would all flock around the idea of protecting illegal Mexican immigrants was itself fairly racist and Karen'ish.

1) Hispanics do not identify with one another in a broad sense. People from Chile do not see themselves as default homies with people from Columbia and so on. So even ignoring the other aspect of racism among South American countries, the unity was never there to begin with

2) A lot of Hispanics have an insecurity about not being labeled as an uneducated minority and try to distinguish themselves and blend in with white America. Mexican immigrants who can't speak English are actually the group that snobby Hispanics are trying to distance themselves from

3) The Catholic church is big in South America. Gay stuff and abortion stuff are yikes issues to many of them.

Hispanic culture across a wide range of countries strongly emphasizes collectivism and a lot of the general philosophies of the democratic party. Stuff like healthcare reform, taxing the rich and stuff like that is fairly widely agreed upon from my experience. But the "identity" issues that democrats are going for are incredibly toxic. Democrats completely shit the bed. There is a reason Texas is seeing a lot of Hispanic women supporting Republicans. Democrats don't have a clue how Hispanic culture functions.

On April 12 2022 22:08 Doc.Rivers wrote:
Looks as though some dems are getting the message. Physical barriers are a winning issue because common sense tells us they would be effective at preventing illegal border crossing:

https://twitter.com/natalie_allison/status/1513602056694767629

On April 12 2022 23:06 Doc.Rivers wrote:
Yeah I mean I'm not sure anyone is saying we should build a wall over 100% of the border. But it is new and different for democratic senators to be admitting that physical barriers are a good idea. Trump showed it to be a winning issue, and now many seem to be acknowledging that it is urgent that we do more to stop illegal immigration at the southern border.

On April 12 2022 05:06 Mohdoo wrote:


1) Targeted tax on all billionaires

2) Substantial student loan reform

3) Don't touch abortion with a 10 ft pole

4) Don't touch immigration with a 10 ft pole

5) Executive order on something related to drug prices

6) Executive order on something related to child tax credit

7) Executive order on weed

8) Take obvious action in Ukraine such that the Ukraine war wraps up and the US had an obvious, large role in Russia losing

9) Gas prices average down to $3

10) Inflation not a big deal anymore through some mechanism

On April 13 2022 03:47 BlackJack wrote:


Not sure I agree that defending women’s reproductive rights is a losing issue for Democrats. It’s a fantastic reason to not vote for a Republican. The strategy to ignore abortion and focus on student loans might sound better to someone with student loan debt and a lack of ovaries than it does to the average American.

On April 12 2022 23:34 KwarK wrote:

It’s really not a new thing. We’ve always had physical barriers. Clinton built a bunch of them. The point has always been that a wall along the entire border, which a lot of conservatives are explicitly calling for, is dumb as fuck. Walls on either side of gates at checkpoints aren’t controversial.

You’ve reimagined both sides of this. The two sides aren’t liberals saying tear down all physical barriers everywhere and Trumpers saying that some fencing at strategic locations is probably smart. They’re liberals saying that a giant wall across the entire southern border is dumb and Trumpers saying it would be great.