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It looks like Trump has yet again temporarily sabotaged a potential deal with Iran:
Iran peace talks stumble over Trump’s threats to Iran’s delegation
“The Iranian delegation has expressed its protest to the American side and is now reviewing appropriate response to Donald Trump’s recent verbal threats,” Iranian officials said through Iran’s semiofficial Tasnim news agency translated to English, adding that “any form of threat is considered a serious violation of the agreement.”
It was unclear which of Trump’s statements they were referring to, however earlier Sunday Trump posted on Truth Social that “we’ll hit Iran very hard again, just like we did last week, only harder!!!” unless it stops “their highly paid PROXIES in Lebanon,” referring to Hezbollah.
And in a phone interview Sunday morning with Fox News, Trump said he spoke with the Iranians overnight, delivering a stark warning that if Iran closes the Strait of Hormuz, the U.S. will “blow the s--- out of them.”
“You close it and you won’t have a country,” Fox News’ Trey Yingst reported the president’s telling him Sunday morning. “You won’t even make it back to your f------ country.”
Told during the phone call that Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian said Iran will maintain its right to enrich uranium, Yingst said, Trump responded that “he better watch his mouth” and “he better shape up or we’ll take over the rest of the country.”
Trump described the U.S.-Iran memorandum of understanding as “just an option,” saying, “I can do whatever I want after that option.” https://www.nbcnews.com/world/iran/president-jd-vance-switzerland-iran-talks-trump-threatens-toll-rcna351033
Who would have thought that Donald Trump is a loose cannon and that other countries and world leaders don't like being treated like garbage!?
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Trump really doesn't understand that once you make a threat and fail to make good on it, its doesn't work anymore.
He has threatened Iran with complete destruction and failed so many times its barely noteworthy anymore.
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On June 22 2026 07:02 LightSpectra wrote:
If dyhb were arguing in good faith he wouldn't move the goalposts so blatantly and repeatedly. He went from "lightspectra's link says the opposite of what he says" to "it was only five accusations, not good enough". You linked the Snopes article debunking the "Trump bragged about walking into the changing room of underage beauty pageants" claim. Trump never bragged about it. You can literally just edit your post to stop linking a claim that's contradicted specifically in the link. We're only here because you've thus far refused to do it.
The goalposts are still that you've made a claim that you haven't personally refuted, and I don't begrudge other people moving the conversation about other aspects of the article. You can address the original goalposts any time you choose!
On June 21 2026 21:40 dyhb wrote:The adult stuff evidence is overwhelming, and Show nested quote +On June 21 2026 17:08 PoulsenB wrote:
Being friends with Epstein should automatically disqualify a person from being considered respectable, not to mention from holding any public office, in my opinion. thoroughly disqualifying if you have a basic moral requirement to vote someone into public office. On June 22 2026 00:34 dyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2026 23:51 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 21 2026 22:50 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 21:55 farvacola wrote:
The ease with which people conclude Trump is a piece of trash is really not a mystery. It’s all right there and easy to see, and while folks might rush to some of the premises underlying that notion, the same can be said for virtually every central body of believers in a popular idea.
Telling anti trumpers to be more careful with their criticisms is silly relative to pretty much every mobilized political idea in the US. I agree with you that "mobilized political ideas" weave in lies pretty regularly for political benefit, and I want to stress that this is a partisan-agnostic. Yes, people of any political affiliation can and do lie and spread misinformation, but this comes off as an equal-offender / all-sides-are-just-as-guilty statement, when in reality the frequency and severity of lies and misinformation are incredibly lopsided towards Republicans. It's not even close. It's like saying that climbing Mount Everest and climbing a flight of stairs are comparable because they're both increases in elevation. I fail to see how correcting misinformation that *helps my own side if everybody believed it* is unsayable because some portion of the audience is set off by anything that sounds like both-sides-ism. That's a license for lying. It might explain how these lies propagate, by making people too scared of being accused of both-sides-ism or Trump apologia for the crime of pointing it out. You're kind of proving that correcting misinformation on the left isn't worth it, because LightSpectra will double and triple down, Kwark will demand you jump in on denying Epstein's crimes, and DarkPlasmaBall will say even the exercise of examining the evidence reeks of both-sides-ism. I think the left on this country, and the center left, is aided by allowing an orderly process of knowing what's fact and what's presumption. I am a little disgusted that there's this auto-immune disease where you can't help but attack your own side. To point your guns inside the circle in a witch-hunt for Trumpers. But obviously I'm not surprised. The left has this mania of purity-testing and it extends so far that we would rather an apocalypse than allow one person think a bunch of teenage girls would gossip endlessly about how Trump walked in on a portion of them changing.
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So your argument is "teenage girls would have gossiped about it, they clearly didn't since 11 of them don't recall the event, therefor the 5 that claim he did it are lying." ?
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On June 22 2026 07:48 Gorsameth wrote:
Trump really doesn't understand that once you make a threat and fail to make good on it, its doesn't work anymore.
He has threatened Iran with complete destruction and failed so many times its barely noteworthy anymore.
I'm honestly wondering why Trump hasn't just asked the people around him if he can just nuke whoever he doesn't like I just Googled "has trump ever asked about using nukes" and apparently he's inquired multiple times about why he can't just launch nuclear weapons to solve his problems.
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On June 22 2026 07:43 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:It looks like Trump has yet again temporarily sabotaged a potential deal with Iran: Show nested quote +Iran peace talks stumble over Trump’s threats to Iran’s delegation
“The Iranian delegation has expressed its protest to the American side and is now reviewing appropriate response to Donald Trump’s recent verbal threats,” Iranian officials said through Iran’s semiofficial Tasnim news agency translated to English, adding that “any form of threat is considered a serious violation of the agreement.”
It was unclear which of Trump’s statements they were referring to, however earlier Sunday Trump posted on Truth Social that “we’ll hit Iran very hard again, just like we did last week, only harder!!!” unless it stops “their highly paid PROXIES in Lebanon,” referring to Hezbollah.
And in a phone interview Sunday morning with Fox News, Trump said he spoke with the Iranians overnight, delivering a stark warning that if Iran closes the Strait of Hormuz, the U.S. will “blow the s--- out of them.”
“You close it and you won’t have a country,” Fox News’ Trey Yingst reported the president’s telling him Sunday morning. “You won’t even make it back to your f------ country.”
Told during the phone call that Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian said Iran will maintain its right to enrich uranium, Yingst said, Trump responded that “he better watch his mouth” and “he better shape up or we’ll take over the rest of the country.”
Trump described the U.S.-Iran memorandum of understanding as “just an option,” saying, “I can do whatever I want after that option.” https://www.nbcnews.com/world/iran/president-jd-vance-switzerland-iran-talks-trump-threatens-toll-rcna351033 Who would have thought that Donald Trump is a loose cannon and that other countries and world leaders don't like being treated like garbage!?
At the end of that “Truth” rant he also accidentally posted a creepy message to lady about her daughter, instead of dming his creepy message. Just to make sure he hit all the marks his fans love.
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On June 22 2026 08:03 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2026 07:43 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:It looks like Trump has yet again temporarily sabotaged a potential deal with Iran: Iran peace talks stumble over Trump’s threats to Iran’s delegation
“The Iranian delegation has expressed its protest to the American side and is now reviewing appropriate response to Donald Trump’s recent verbal threats,” Iranian officials said through Iran’s semiofficial Tasnim news agency translated to English, adding that “any form of threat is considered a serious violation of the agreement.”
It was unclear which of Trump’s statements they were referring to, however earlier Sunday Trump posted on Truth Social that “we’ll hit Iran very hard again, just like we did last week, only harder!!!” unless it stops “their highly paid PROXIES in Lebanon,” referring to Hezbollah.
And in a phone interview Sunday morning with Fox News, Trump said he spoke with the Iranians overnight, delivering a stark warning that if Iran closes the Strait of Hormuz, the U.S. will “blow the s--- out of them.”
“You close it and you won’t have a country,” Fox News’ Trey Yingst reported the president’s telling him Sunday morning. “You won’t even make it back to your f------ country.”
Told during the phone call that Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian said Iran will maintain its right to enrich uranium, Yingst said, Trump responded that “he better watch his mouth” and “he better shape up or we’ll take over the rest of the country.”
Trump described the U.S.-Iran memorandum of understanding as “just an option,” saying, “I can do whatever I want after that option.” https://www.nbcnews.com/world/iran/president-jd-vance-switzerland-iran-talks-trump-threatens-toll-rcna351033 Who would have thought that Donald Trump is a loose cannon and that other countries and world leaders don't like being treated like garbage!? At the end of that “Truth” rant he also accidentally posted a creepy message to lady about her daughter, instead of dming his creepy message. Just to make sure he hit all the marks his fans love.
Ah, this bizarre situation: https://www.newsweek.com/trump-late-night-post-sparks-scramble-to-id-mystery-woman-in-photo-12100595
So weird.
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On June 22 2026 08:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2026 08:03 Billyboy wrote:On June 22 2026 07:43 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:It looks like Trump has yet again temporarily sabotaged a potential deal with Iran: Iran peace talks stumble over Trump’s threats to Iran’s delegation
“The Iranian delegation has expressed its protest to the American side and is now reviewing appropriate response to Donald Trump’s recent verbal threats,” Iranian officials said through Iran’s semiofficial Tasnim news agency translated to English, adding that “any form of threat is considered a serious violation of the agreement.”
It was unclear which of Trump’s statements they were referring to, however earlier Sunday Trump posted on Truth Social that “we’ll hit Iran very hard again, just like we did last week, only harder!!!” unless it stops “their highly paid PROXIES in Lebanon,” referring to Hezbollah.
And in a phone interview Sunday morning with Fox News, Trump said he spoke with the Iranians overnight, delivering a stark warning that if Iran closes the Strait of Hormuz, the U.S. will “blow the s--- out of them.”
“You close it and you won’t have a country,” Fox News’ Trey Yingst reported the president’s telling him Sunday morning. “You won’t even make it back to your f------ country.”
Told during the phone call that Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian said Iran will maintain its right to enrich uranium, Yingst said, Trump responded that “he better watch his mouth” and “he better shape up or we’ll take over the rest of the country.”
Trump described the U.S.-Iran memorandum of understanding as “just an option,” saying, “I can do whatever I want after that option.” https://www.nbcnews.com/world/iran/president-jd-vance-switzerland-iran-talks-trump-threatens-toll-rcna351033 Who would have thought that Donald Trump is a loose cannon and that other countries and world leaders don't like being treated like garbage!? At the end of that “Truth” rant he also accidentally posted a creepy message to lady about her daughter, instead of dming his creepy message. Just to make sure he hit all the marks his fans love. Ah, this bizarre situation: https://www.newsweek.com/trump-late-night-post-sparks-scramble-to-id-mystery-woman-in-photo-12100595 So weird.
Ya turns out some MAGA mom sent a picture of her daughter at the UFC event and Donnie sent that creepy message, accidentally to all. But since it was an accident for us to see it, maybe it didn’t really happen?
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On June 22 2026 06:39 Vivax wrote:
Even if they rounded up every victim and gave them the choice to press charges or get compensated they'd choose the compensation every time.
Even when convicted the majority would still vote for him.
It's not a crime when the rich do it applies at all times.
Dude, that is so demeaning.
On June 22 2026 06:44 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2026 06:38 Fleetfeet wrote:On June 22 2026 06:17 LightSpectra wrote:
The goalposts are now "Trump is innocent unless 100% of women on earth agree he is an abuser". The goalposts were always "You're saying it's a fact when it isn't", the declaration of Trump's innocence is imaginary. Like y'all jumping on dyhb for the small grievance of pointing out that it isn't fact as though his(?) next move is to declare that Trump is innocent, when all he's doing is saying "Technically we don't -know-" and "that's disputed". I'm sure I could go back and find dyhb saying Trump is a garbage human and that dyhb doesn't support Trump, but a lot of people seem to believe he does. You/we probably all agree that trump has a very unhealthy relationship with sex and women, but apparently dyhb being on the side of "we don't have literal proof yet that he's a paedophile" is too much. Fwiw I also believe Trump is a paedophile because why/how wouldn't you. I'm still not going to get caught in the weeds arguing that something extremely probable is actually fact. His arguments are bad faith and absurd. He’s saying that if a rapist rapes 5 people from a group of 16 and then the other 11 people confirm that they weren’t raped the majority take it, he’s exonerated. It’s the stupidest thing anyone has posted since the last time oblade said anything.
Kwark you went in unhinged mode, not only dhyb never said that, but probably no one ever (well, till you said it).
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On June 22 2026 09:00 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2026 06:39 Vivax wrote:
Even if they rounded up every victim and gave them the choice to press charges or get compensated they'd choose the compensation every time.
Even when convicted the majority would still vote for him.
It's not a crime when the rich do it applies at all times. Dude, that is so demeaning. Show nested quote +On June 22 2026 06:44 KwarK wrote:On June 22 2026 06:38 Fleetfeet wrote:On June 22 2026 06:17 LightSpectra wrote:
The goalposts are now "Trump is innocent unless 100% of women on earth agree he is an abuser". The goalposts were always "You're saying it's a fact when it isn't", the declaration of Trump's innocence is imaginary. Like y'all jumping on dyhb for the small grievance of pointing out that it isn't fact as though his(?) next move is to declare that Trump is innocent, when all he's doing is saying "Technically we don't -know-" and "that's disputed". I'm sure I could go back and find dyhb saying Trump is a garbage human and that dyhb doesn't support Trump, but a lot of people seem to believe he does. You/we probably all agree that trump has a very unhealthy relationship with sex and women, but apparently dyhb being on the side of "we don't have literal proof yet that he's a paedophile" is too much. Fwiw I also believe Trump is a paedophile because why/how wouldn't you. I'm still not going to get caught in the weeds arguing that something extremely probable is actually fact. His arguments are bad faith and absurd. He’s saying that if a rapist rapes 5 people from a group of 16 and then the other 11 people confirm that they weren’t raped the majority take it, he’s exonerated. It’s the stupidest thing anyone has posted since the last time oblade said anything. Kwark you went in unhinged mode, not only dhyb never said that, but probably no one ever (well, till you said it).
It‘s not demeaning, it‘s what their lawyer would probably reccommend outside of a class action lawsuit where they get to keep their anonymity.
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On June 22 2026 09:29 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2026 09:00 Razyda wrote:On June 22 2026 06:39 Vivax wrote:
Even if they rounded up every victim and gave them the choice to press charges or get compensated they'd choose the compensation every time.
Even when convicted the majority would still vote for him.
It's not a crime when the rich do it applies at all times. Dude, that is so demeaning. On June 22 2026 06:44 KwarK wrote:On June 22 2026 06:38 Fleetfeet wrote:On June 22 2026 06:17 LightSpectra wrote:
The goalposts are now "Trump is innocent unless 100% of women on earth agree he is an abuser". The goalposts were always "You're saying it's a fact when it isn't", the declaration of Trump's innocence is imaginary. Like y'all jumping on dyhb for the small grievance of pointing out that it isn't fact as though his(?) next move is to declare that Trump is innocent, when all he's doing is saying "Technically we don't -know-" and "that's disputed". I'm sure I could go back and find dyhb saying Trump is a garbage human and that dyhb doesn't support Trump, but a lot of people seem to believe he does. You/we probably all agree that trump has a very unhealthy relationship with sex and women, but apparently dyhb being on the side of "we don't have literal proof yet that he's a paedophile" is too much. Fwiw I also believe Trump is a paedophile because why/how wouldn't you. I'm still not going to get caught in the weeds arguing that something extremely probable is actually fact. His arguments are bad faith and absurd. He’s saying that if a rapist rapes 5 people from a group of 16 and then the other 11 people confirm that they weren’t raped the majority take it, he’s exonerated. It’s the stupidest thing anyone has posted since the last time oblade said anything. Kwark you went in unhinged mode, not only dhyb never said that, but probably no one ever (well, till you said it). It‘s not demeaning, it‘s what their lawyer would probably reccommend outside of a class action lawsuit where they get to keep their anonymity.
It is. If your original post said that: " it‘s what their lawyer would probably reccommend" I wouldn't contest. It didn't though.
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On June 22 2026 11:19 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2026 09:29 Vivax wrote:On June 22 2026 09:00 Razyda wrote:On June 22 2026 06:39 Vivax wrote:
Even if they rounded up every victim and gave them the choice to press charges or get compensated they'd choose the compensation every time.
Even when convicted the majority would still vote for him.
It's not a crime when the rich do it applies at all times. Dude, that is so demeaning. On June 22 2026 06:44 KwarK wrote:On June 22 2026 06:38 Fleetfeet wrote:On June 22 2026 06:17 LightSpectra wrote:
The goalposts are now "Trump is innocent unless 100% of women on earth agree he is an abuser". The goalposts were always "You're saying it's a fact when it isn't", the declaration of Trump's innocence is imaginary. Like y'all jumping on dyhb for the small grievance of pointing out that it isn't fact as though his(?) next move is to declare that Trump is innocent, when all he's doing is saying "Technically we don't -know-" and "that's disputed". I'm sure I could go back and find dyhb saying Trump is a garbage human and that dyhb doesn't support Trump, but a lot of people seem to believe he does. You/we probably all agree that trump has a very unhealthy relationship with sex and women, but apparently dyhb being on the side of "we don't have literal proof yet that he's a paedophile" is too much. Fwiw I also believe Trump is a paedophile because why/how wouldn't you. I'm still not going to get caught in the weeds arguing that something extremely probable is actually fact. His arguments are bad faith and absurd. He’s saying that if a rapist rapes 5 people from a group of 16 and then the other 11 people confirm that they weren’t raped the majority take it, he’s exonerated. It’s the stupidest thing anyone has posted since the last time oblade said anything. Kwark you went in unhinged mode, not only dhyb never said that, but probably no one ever (well, till you said it). It‘s not demeaning, it‘s what their lawyer would probably reccommend outside of a class action lawsuit where they get to keep their anonymity. It is. If your original post said that: " it‘s what their lawyer would probably reccommend" I wouldn't contest. It didn't though.
Anything else you would like to add ?
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United States44393 Posts
On June 22 2026 09:00 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2026 06:44 KwarK wrote:On June 22 2026 06:38 Fleetfeet wrote:On June 22 2026 06:17 LightSpectra wrote:
The goalposts are now "Trump is innocent unless 100% of women on earth agree he is an abuser". The goalposts were always "You're saying it's a fact when it isn't", the declaration of Trump's innocence is imaginary. Like y'all jumping on dyhb for the small grievance of pointing out that it isn't fact as though his(?) next move is to declare that Trump is innocent, when all he's doing is saying "Technically we don't -know-" and "that's disputed". I'm sure I could go back and find dyhb saying Trump is a garbage human and that dyhb doesn't support Trump, but a lot of people seem to believe he does. You/we probably all agree that trump has a very unhealthy relationship with sex and women, but apparently dyhb being on the side of "we don't have literal proof yet that he's a paedophile" is too much. Fwiw I also believe Trump is a paedophile because why/how wouldn't you. I'm still not going to get caught in the weeds arguing that something extremely probable is actually fact. His arguments are bad faith and absurd. He’s saying that if a rapist rapes 5 people from a group of 16 and then the other 11 people confirm that they weren’t raped the majority take it, he’s exonerated. It’s the stupidest thing anyone has posted since the last time oblade said anything. Kwark you went in unhinged mode, not only dhyb never said that, but probably no one ever (well, till you said it).
He argued that 5 people said Trump did it to them and 11 people said Trump didn't do it to them so he didn't. But the 11 can't know what happened to the 5, they're different people.
The 11 people aren't relevant.
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Canada11607 Posts
I have a feeling including the conflict in Lebanon in the MOU, or rather Hezbollah vs Israel was a mistake. Well, the whole thing was a mistake but this was a mistake too. Hezbollah and Israel will just keep stun-locking US in their negotiations with Iran.
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The MOU is a surrender agreement. The ongoing embarrassment of Iran doing what it wants when it wants to is just adding insult to injury.
I think the goal was to cave and hope for better gas prices and to take the issue off the table in the midterms. Nope. Won't happen.
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On June 22 2026 12:21 Falling wrote:
I have a feeling including the conflict in Lebanon in the MOU, or rather Hezbollah vs Israel was a mistake. Well, the whole thing was a mistake but this was a mistake too. Hezbollah and Israel will just keep stun-locking US in their negotiations with Iran.
It might be a mistake from Trump's administration, but I doubt it's a mistake from Iran.
I say Trump's administration, because surely other US based politicians/intel people/generals/pundits in general could have told them that they have no leverage over Israel, and promising things on behalf of Israel won't work. This is not an outcome that should have been a surprise to even other Americans.
But also surely, Iran also knew this. Either they agreed to this because they are just deeply unserious about a ceasefire and are just taking this opportunity to make Israel look worse (and the US to look more imcompetant) knowing that this can't work.
Or Iran are working to drive a wedge between Israel and Trump, knowing that this was the obvious outcome, and it was going to poop all over Trump's shiny new peace deal, and to some extent that's already working.
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On June 22 2026 13:46 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2026 12:21 Falling wrote:
I have a feeling including the conflict in Lebanon in the MOU, or rather Hezbollah vs Israel was a mistake. Well, the whole thing was a mistake but this was a mistake too. Hezbollah and Israel will just keep stun-locking US in their negotiations with Iran.
It might be a mistake from Trump's administration, but I doubt it's a mistake from Iran. I say Trump's administration, because surely other US based politicians/intel people/generals/pundits in general could have told them that they have no leverage over Israel, and promising things on behalf of Israel won't work. This is not an outcome that should have been a surprise to even other Americans. But also surely, Iran also knew this. Either they agreed to this because they are just deeply unserious about a ceasefire and are just taking this opportunity to make Israel look worse (and the US to look more imcompetant) knowing that this can't work. Or Iran are working to drive a wedge between Israel and Trump, knowing that this was the obvious outcome, and it was going to poop all over Trump's shiny new peace deal, and to some extent that's already working.
From Irans position the most valuable thing they can get from this deal is a realistic chance of not getting attacked again.
The second most valuable is sanctions getting dropped.
The third not getting bombed back to the stone age (because current regime doesn't care much about their people and it's a double edged sword).
Israel is not the only reason for the war but they are the biggest one. Including them and Lebanon in the deal makes sense if you are serious about a deal working out long term.
And the world can absolutely force Israel to do whatever the deal says. If the US sanctions Israel then EU would be more than happy to go along with that. If the choice stands between sanctions on a small economically irrelevant country or $250/barrel oil China and Asia would jump on it.
Taking the world economy hostage when you are a small export focused country is not the powerplay you think it is.
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On June 22 2026 14:30 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2026 13:46 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote:On June 22 2026 12:21 Falling wrote:
I have a feeling including the conflict in Lebanon in the MOU, or rather Hezbollah vs Israel was a mistake. Well, the whole thing was a mistake but this was a mistake too. Hezbollah and Israel will just keep stun-locking US in their negotiations with Iran.
It might be a mistake from Trump's administration, but I doubt it's a mistake from Iran. I say Trump's administration, because surely other US based politicians/intel people/generals/pundits in general could have told them that they have no leverage over Israel, and promising things on behalf of Israel won't work. This is not an outcome that should have been a surprise to even other Americans. But also surely, Iran also knew this. Either they agreed to this because they are just deeply unserious about a ceasefire and are just taking this opportunity to make Israel look worse (and the US to look more imcompetant) knowing that this can't work. Or Iran are working to drive a wedge between Israel and Trump, knowing that this was the obvious outcome, and it was going to poop all over Trump's shiny new peace deal, and to some extent that's already working. From Irans position the most valuable thing they can get from this deal is a realistic chance of not getting attacked again. The second most valuable is sanctions getting dropped. The third not getting bombed back to the stone age (because current regime doesn't care much about their people and it's a double edged sword). Israel is not the only reason for the war but they are the biggest one. Including them and Lebanon in the deal makes sense if you are serious about a deal working out long term. And the world can absolutely force Israel to do whatever the deal says. If the US sanctions Israel then EU would be more than happy to go along with that. If the choice stands between sanctions on a small economically irrelevant country or $250/barrel oil China and Asia would jump on it. Taking the world economy hostage when you are a small export focused country is not the powerplay you think it is. I agree, except for point 3.
Iran can play these games precisely because they are not scared of being bombed back to the stone age. Not because they don't care about the people, your right they dont, but because the US has already, repeatedly, tried to bomb them back to the stone age and failed.
The initial attacks didnt cripple Iran, Trump has send in the B2s. Iran is still there. Trump has threatend Iran with complete destruction dozens of times, and every time Iran said "go ahead, do it" nothing has happened.
Iran wants Israel to stop its greater Israel expansion. Iran can't do that themselves but the US might. (They want Israel gone entirely but that isnt on the table).
As for Lebanon being part of the deal being an issue for the US. As Kwark is so fond of saying, thats what the US gets for going into this war with an ally without having a well defined realistic strategy.
Americas biggest negotiation tool.was its threat of violence. In atleast the case of Iran that threat has proven to be basically worthless. All they have left is surrender.
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On June 22 2026 12:21 Falling wrote:
I have a feeling including the conflict in Lebanon in the MOU, or rather Hezbollah vs Israel was a mistake. Well, the whole thing was a mistake but this was a mistake too. Hezbollah and Israel will just keep stun-locking US in their negotiations with Iran.
That's as intended, Iran is not going to sign otherwise.
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Canada11607 Posts
Oh, I fully expect it's as intended from Iran's perspective.
It's a mistake for American negotiators to agree to it.
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