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Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
April 30 2021 15:50 GMT
#64141
Have we arrived at conclusion, that an independent panel from various parts of society is needed to determin regulation and arbitration rules, yet?


re: critical thinking
In my personal experience, my "efficiency" driven workplace implanted a false senes of how much I have to "do" in a specific amount of time. And, more importantly, that time spent researching without an immeadiate applicable result is to be avoided at all cost.
Which brings us (me), ideally, to the pareto-principle, more likely to a "good enough, I guess" attitude, that makes me judge quickly ("efficiently").
But regarding the desired bullshit resistency of the population, I think proper research is needed to form opinions. And while the internet does allow that, in principle, echo chambers, confirmation bias and general laziness (youtube videos as information source, no primary or even aggregated data) contribute to a rather horrid implementation "research".
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
April 30 2021 15:58 GMT
#64142
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plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-04-30 16:46:07
April 30 2021 16:43 GMT
#64143
I am thankful that Biden learned from Obama's mistakes of trying to appease the GOP. This actually gives me some hope since he's listening to the progressives in the party and is trying to work out plans knowing only Dems will support it. I really hope Bernie can convince Biden to push for more progressive policies regarding things like climate change.

President Joe Biden makes private phone calls to Sen. Bernie Sanders to hear from the left of his party, according to a New York Times report.

It's an unlikely turn of events for two fierce rivals from last fall's primary campaign from opposite wings of the Democratic Party, but another piece of evidence that Biden's bold economic agenda is dissolving the boundaries between those factions — and that Sanders is playing a pivotal role in it.

Politico reported in early March that Biden and Sanders had a very high level of contact with each other. Weeks later, after Biden's historic $1.9 trillion stimulus package passed almost entirely intact — with the significant exception of Sanders' beloved $15 minimum-wage increase — the Los Angeles Times reported that Sanders had become "the consummate insider in the Senate," hitting the phones to keep progressives in line as the minimum-wage was struck from the bill.

Sanders subsequently praised Biden for the size and scope of the stimulus, which included several policies Sanders has long championed. He also later told the New York Times that he thinks Biden has the "courage" to act boldly — and hopes that continues.

"As Chairman of the Senate Budget Committee, I am proud that we passed the American Rescue Plan, which, in my view, is the most significant piece of legislation to benefit working families in the modern history of this country," Sanders tweeted after the passage of the first stimulus package.

Biden reportedly also makes private calls to moderate Democrat Sen. Joe Manchin, who wields considerable power in the Democrats' razor-thin majority, to check in with the broader Democratic caucus. He also calls Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell to urge bipartisanship, which has so far not manifested.

Both Sanders and Manchin represent major factions that will likely come into play during months of infrastructure negotiations ahead. The more moderate Manchin was one of the Democrats who vocally opposed the inclusion of a $15 minimum wage in reconciliation, and ultimately voted against the wage hike.

He's also already reportedly shaped at least one of the proposed tax hikes in Biden's infrastructure package; Manchin signaled that he'd prefer the corporate tax rate increase to 25% from 21%, instead of Biden's proposed 28%. He's been reportedly joined by other Senate Democrats, and that's the rate that's likely to get passed, according to a Morgan Stanley note.

In April, when Insider's Nicole Gaudiano and Warren Rojas spoke to prominent progressives about Biden's progress so far, they said Biden is largely impressing his left wing, but also cited disappointments such as the $15 minimum wage and what they perceive as a subpar handling of the climate crisis.

"I think he is showing the kind of leadership and providing the kind of agenda that working families in this country want and need," Sanders previously told Insider.


https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-bernie-sanders-private-calls-left-wing-nyt-2021-4
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45210 Posts
April 30 2021 16:47 GMT
#64144
On May 01 2021 01:43 plasmidghost wrote:
I am thankful that Biden learned from Obama's mistakes of trying to appease the GOP. This actually gives me some hope since he's listening to the progressives in the party and is trying to work out plans knowing only Dems will support it. I really hope Bernie can convince Biden to push for more progressive policies regarding things like climate change.

https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-bernie-sanders-private-calls-left-wing-nyt-2021-4


I agree that trying to compromise with Congressional Republicans is absolutely fruitless, and a waste of time. The only members of Congress that Biden needs to make sure he keeps on board, for his agenda, are the few Democrats who are moderate, like Joe Manchin. That's where some appeasement might need to exist, but definitely not with respect to Republicans.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
April 30 2021 16:51 GMT
#64145
On May 01 2021 01:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2021 01:43 plasmidghost wrote:
I am thankful that Biden learned from Obama's mistakes of trying to appease the GOP. This actually gives me some hope since he's listening to the progressives in the party and is trying to work out plans knowing only Dems will support it. I really hope Bernie can convince Biden to push for more progressive policies regarding things like climate change.

https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-bernie-sanders-private-calls-left-wing-nyt-2021-4


I agree that trying to compromise with Congressional Republicans is absolutely fruitless, and a waste of time. The only members of Congress that Biden needs to make sure he keeps on board, for his agenda, are the few Democrats who are moderate, like Joe Manchin. That's where some appeasement might need to exist, but definitely not with respect to Republicans.

Yep, and if the Dems can shake off the midterm trends of the other party making significant gains, people like Manchin would become a lot less relevant (thank god)
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45210 Posts
April 30 2021 17:18 GMT
#64146
On May 01 2021 01:51 plasmidghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2021 01:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 01 2021 01:43 plasmidghost wrote:
I am thankful that Biden learned from Obama's mistakes of trying to appease the GOP. This actually gives me some hope since he's listening to the progressives in the party and is trying to work out plans knowing only Dems will support it. I really hope Bernie can convince Biden to push for more progressive policies regarding things like climate change.

https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-bernie-sanders-private-calls-left-wing-nyt-2021-4


I agree that trying to compromise with Congressional Republicans is absolutely fruitless, and a waste of time. The only members of Congress that Biden needs to make sure he keeps on board, for his agenda, are the few Democrats who are moderate, like Joe Manchin. That's where some appeasement might need to exist, but definitely not with respect to Republicans.

Yep, and if the Dems can shake off the midterm trends of the other party making significant gains, people like Manchin would become a lot less relevant (thank god)


Having 51 or 52 Senators interested in actually governing would definitely allow for some breathing room!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
EnDeR_
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Spain2777 Posts
April 30 2021 17:21 GMT
#64147
On May 01 2021 01:51 plasmidghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2021 01:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 01 2021 01:43 plasmidghost wrote:
I am thankful that Biden learned from Obama's mistakes of trying to appease the GOP. This actually gives me some hope since he's listening to the progressives in the party and is trying to work out plans knowing only Dems will support it. I really hope Bernie can convince Biden to push for more progressive policies regarding things like climate change.

https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-bernie-sanders-private-calls-left-wing-nyt-2021-4


I agree that trying to compromise with Congressional Republicans is absolutely fruitless, and a waste of time. The only members of Congress that Biden needs to make sure he keeps on board, for his agenda, are the few Democrats who are moderate, like Joe Manchin. That's where some appeasement might need to exist, but definitely not with respect to Republicans.

Yep, and if the Dems can shake off the midterm trends of the other party making significant gains, people like Manchin would become a lot less relevant (thank god)


I wouldn't bank on that, the trifecta never remains active for long, and reps have an advantage with the senate map, so we'll likely go back to McTurtle blocking everything very soon. Biden should take as many wins as he can, while he can.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45210 Posts
April 30 2021 17:24 GMT
#64148
On May 01 2021 02:21 EnDeR_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2021 01:51 plasmidghost wrote:
On May 01 2021 01:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 01 2021 01:43 plasmidghost wrote:
I am thankful that Biden learned from Obama's mistakes of trying to appease the GOP. This actually gives me some hope since he's listening to the progressives in the party and is trying to work out plans knowing only Dems will support it. I really hope Bernie can convince Biden to push for more progressive policies regarding things like climate change.

https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-bernie-sanders-private-calls-left-wing-nyt-2021-4


I agree that trying to compromise with Congressional Republicans is absolutely fruitless, and a waste of time. The only members of Congress that Biden needs to make sure he keeps on board, for his agenda, are the few Democrats who are moderate, like Joe Manchin. That's where some appeasement might need to exist, but definitely not with respect to Republicans.

Yep, and if the Dems can shake off the midterm trends of the other party making significant gains, people like Manchin would become a lot less relevant (thank god)


I wouldn't bank on that, the trifecta never remains active for long, and reps have an advantage with the senate map, so we'll likely go back to McTurtle blocking everything very soon. Biden should take as many wins as he can, while he can.


It's more likely for Republicans to gain a Senate seat or two, than Democrats, during the next election? I thought it was more likely for Dems to pick up a Senator or two next time (but more likely for Repubs to pick up a few House seats this time and then more likely for Repubs to pick up Senate seats in the following election - two elections from now).
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
April 30 2021 17:30 GMT
#64149
Since the Voting Rights Act isn't going to be passed as long as Manchin is refusing to change the filibuster, there is a pretty good chance things go bad for Dems in 2022, but I'm still holding out a little bit of hope that Biden can convince him
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
April 30 2021 17:36 GMT
#64150
On May 01 2021 02:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2021 02:21 EnDeR_ wrote:
On May 01 2021 01:51 plasmidghost wrote:
On May 01 2021 01:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 01 2021 01:43 plasmidghost wrote:
I am thankful that Biden learned from Obama's mistakes of trying to appease the GOP. This actually gives me some hope since he's listening to the progressives in the party and is trying to work out plans knowing only Dems will support it. I really hope Bernie can convince Biden to push for more progressive policies regarding things like climate change.

https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-bernie-sanders-private-calls-left-wing-nyt-2021-4


I agree that trying to compromise with Congressional Republicans is absolutely fruitless, and a waste of time. The only members of Congress that Biden needs to make sure he keeps on board, for his agenda, are the few Democrats who are moderate, like Joe Manchin. That's where some appeasement might need to exist, but definitely not with respect to Republicans.

Yep, and if the Dems can shake off the midterm trends of the other party making significant gains, people like Manchin would become a lot less relevant (thank god)


I wouldn't bank on that, the trifecta never remains active for long, and reps have an advantage with the senate map, so we'll likely go back to McTurtle blocking everything very soon. Biden should take as many wins as he can, while he can.


It's more likely for Republicans to gain a Senate seat or two, than Democrats, during the next election? I thought it was more likely for Dems to pick up a Senator or two next time (but more likely for Repubs to pick up a few House seats this time and then more likely for Repubs to pick up Senate seats in the following election - two elections from now).


The entire house is reseated every two years. It doesn't make sense for democrats or republicans to have any advantage from that perspective. One third of the senate is replaced every two years. In 2022, there are 20 Republican and 14 Democrat seats that can potentially change hands. The NC senate seat is one that you should pay attention to. Burr is retiring so he will be replaced for sure, but it could go either way. Pennsylvania is the other.
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Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
April 30 2021 17:56 GMT
#64151
On May 01 2021 02:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2021 02:21 EnDeR_ wrote:
On May 01 2021 01:51 plasmidghost wrote:
On May 01 2021 01:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 01 2021 01:43 plasmidghost wrote:
I am thankful that Biden learned from Obama's mistakes of trying to appease the GOP. This actually gives me some hope since he's listening to the progressives in the party and is trying to work out plans knowing only Dems will support it. I really hope Bernie can convince Biden to push for more progressive policies regarding things like climate change.

https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-bernie-sanders-private-calls-left-wing-nyt-2021-4


I agree that trying to compromise with Congressional Republicans is absolutely fruitless, and a waste of time. The only members of Congress that Biden needs to make sure he keeps on board, for his agenda, are the few Democrats who are moderate, like Joe Manchin. That's where some appeasement might need to exist, but definitely not with respect to Republicans.

Yep, and if the Dems can shake off the midterm trends of the other party making significant gains, people like Manchin would become a lot less relevant (thank god)


I wouldn't bank on that, the trifecta never remains active for long, and reps have an advantage with the senate map, so we'll likely go back to McTurtle blocking everything very soon. Biden should take as many wins as he can, while he can.


It's more likely for Republicans to gain a Senate seat or two, than Democrats, during the next election? I thought it was more likely for Dems to pick up a Senator or two next time (but more likely for Repubs to pick up a few House seats this time and then more likely for Repubs to pick up Senate seats in the following election - two elections from now).


The Republicans are going nuts passing voting bills in their state legislatures... Florida just did one yesterday or something. I think there's a very real danger that they take back the senate with combination of gerrymandering and the slew of new voting legislation they've passed in response to their 2020 loss. I'm really anxious for the Democrats to nuke the filibuster and get to work at DC statehood and strengthening voter enfranchisement. Honestly the GOP feels like a terrorist organization holding the country hostage at this point.
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10265 Posts
April 30 2021 18:17 GMT
#64152
On May 01 2021 02:56 Starlightsun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2021 02:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 01 2021 02:21 EnDeR_ wrote:
On May 01 2021 01:51 plasmidghost wrote:
On May 01 2021 01:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 01 2021 01:43 plasmidghost wrote:
I am thankful that Biden learned from Obama's mistakes of trying to appease the GOP. This actually gives me some hope since he's listening to the progressives in the party and is trying to work out plans knowing only Dems will support it. I really hope Bernie can convince Biden to push for more progressive policies regarding things like climate change.

https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-bernie-sanders-private-calls-left-wing-nyt-2021-4


I agree that trying to compromise with Congressional Republicans is absolutely fruitless, and a waste of time. The only members of Congress that Biden needs to make sure he keeps on board, for his agenda, are the few Democrats who are moderate, like Joe Manchin. That's where some appeasement might need to exist, but definitely not with respect to Republicans.

Yep, and if the Dems can shake off the midterm trends of the other party making significant gains, people like Manchin would become a lot less relevant (thank god)


I wouldn't bank on that, the trifecta never remains active for long, and reps have an advantage with the senate map, so we'll likely go back to McTurtle blocking everything very soon. Biden should take as many wins as he can, while he can.


It's more likely for Republicans to gain a Senate seat or two, than Democrats, during the next election? I thought it was more likely for Dems to pick up a Senator or two next time (but more likely for Repubs to pick up a few House seats this time and then more likely for Repubs to pick up Senate seats in the following election - two elections from now).


The Republicans are going nuts passing voting bills in their state legislatures... Florida just did one yesterday or something. I think there's a very real danger that they take back the senate with combination of gerrymandering and the slew of new voting legislation they've passed in response to their 2020 loss. I'm really anxious for the Democrats to nuke the filibuster and get to work at DC statehood and strengthening voter enfranchisement. Honestly the GOP feels like a terrorist organization holding the country hostage at this point.

You realized the last time Democrats used the Nuclear option on judicial nominees, you ended up with Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barrett right? Democrats need to stop thinking so short term with their actions when it comes to changing the rules and also consider the backlash and consequences of their actions.

As an example, if Biden does in fact pack the court and add more seats to the Supreme Court, I guarantee you that Republicans will do the same when they go back and control Congress.
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Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-04-30 18:33:36
April 30 2021 18:28 GMT
#64153
On May 01 2021 03:17 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2021 02:56 Starlightsun wrote:
On May 01 2021 02:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 01 2021 02:21 EnDeR_ wrote:
On May 01 2021 01:51 plasmidghost wrote:
On May 01 2021 01:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 01 2021 01:43 plasmidghost wrote:
I am thankful that Biden learned from Obama's mistakes of trying to appease the GOP. This actually gives me some hope since he's listening to the progressives in the party and is trying to work out plans knowing only Dems will support it. I really hope Bernie can convince Biden to push for more progressive policies regarding things like climate change.

https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-bernie-sanders-private-calls-left-wing-nyt-2021-4


I agree that trying to compromise with Congressional Republicans is absolutely fruitless, and a waste of time. The only members of Congress that Biden needs to make sure he keeps on board, for his agenda, are the few Democrats who are moderate, like Joe Manchin. That's where some appeasement might need to exist, but definitely not with respect to Republicans.

Yep, and if the Dems can shake off the midterm trends of the other party making significant gains, people like Manchin would become a lot less relevant (thank god)


I wouldn't bank on that, the trifecta never remains active for long, and reps have an advantage with the senate map, so we'll likely go back to McTurtle blocking everything very soon. Biden should take as many wins as he can, while he can.


It's more likely for Republicans to gain a Senate seat or two, than Democrats, during the next election? I thought it was more likely for Dems to pick up a Senator or two next time (but more likely for Repubs to pick up a few House seats this time and then more likely for Repubs to pick up Senate seats in the following election - two elections from now).


The Republicans are going nuts passing voting bills in their state legislatures... Florida just did one yesterday or something. I think there's a very real danger that they take back the senate with combination of gerrymandering and the slew of new voting legislation they've passed in response to their 2020 loss. I'm really anxious for the Democrats to nuke the filibuster and get to work at DC statehood and strengthening voter enfranchisement. Honestly the GOP feels like a terrorist organization holding the country hostage at this point.

You realized the last time Democrats used the Nuclear option on judicial nominees, you ended up with Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barrett right? Democrats need to stop thinking so short term with their actions when it comes to changing the rules and also consider the backlash and consequences of their actions.

As an example, if Biden does in fact pack the court and add more seats to the Supreme Court, I guarantee you that Republicans will do the same when they go back and control Congress.


Are you telling me that Democrats are responsible for those three justices being on the bench? I don't follow. But I am talking specifically about locking down on the GOP's longstanding and recently accelerating efforts to suppress voting, so that they don't keep getting back into power contrary to the actual will of the country.

Especially with the intensifying crisis of climate change, it's becoming a matter of literal survival to keep the regressive party from steering us back into the stone age once again.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45210 Posts
April 30 2021 18:38 GMT
#64154
On May 01 2021 03:17 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2021 02:56 Starlightsun wrote:
On May 01 2021 02:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 01 2021 02:21 EnDeR_ wrote:
On May 01 2021 01:51 plasmidghost wrote:
On May 01 2021 01:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 01 2021 01:43 plasmidghost wrote:
I am thankful that Biden learned from Obama's mistakes of trying to appease the GOP. This actually gives me some hope since he's listening to the progressives in the party and is trying to work out plans knowing only Dems will support it. I really hope Bernie can convince Biden to push for more progressive policies regarding things like climate change.

https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-bernie-sanders-private-calls-left-wing-nyt-2021-4


I agree that trying to compromise with Congressional Republicans is absolutely fruitless, and a waste of time. The only members of Congress that Biden needs to make sure he keeps on board, for his agenda, are the few Democrats who are moderate, like Joe Manchin. That's where some appeasement might need to exist, but definitely not with respect to Republicans.

Yep, and if the Dems can shake off the midterm trends of the other party making significant gains, people like Manchin would become a lot less relevant (thank god)


I wouldn't bank on that, the trifecta never remains active for long, and reps have an advantage with the senate map, so we'll likely go back to McTurtle blocking everything very soon. Biden should take as many wins as he can, while he can.


It's more likely for Republicans to gain a Senate seat or two, than Democrats, during the next election? I thought it was more likely for Dems to pick up a Senator or two next time (but more likely for Repubs to pick up a few House seats this time and then more likely for Repubs to pick up Senate seats in the following election - two elections from now).


The Republicans are going nuts passing voting bills in their state legislatures... Florida just did one yesterday or something. I think there's a very real danger that they take back the senate with combination of gerrymandering and the slew of new voting legislation they've passed in response to their 2020 loss. I'm really anxious for the Democrats to nuke the filibuster and get to work at DC statehood and strengthening voter enfranchisement. Honestly the GOP feels like a terrorist organization holding the country hostage at this point.

You realized the last time Democrats used the Nuclear option on judicial nominees, you ended up with Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barrett right? Democrats need to stop thinking so short term with their actions when it comes to changing the rules and also consider the backlash and consequences of their actions.

As an example, if Biden does in fact pack the court and add more seats to the Supreme Court, I guarantee you that Republicans will do the same when they go back and control Congress.


There's nothing stopping Republicans from packing the court first, and we've seen them make the first move (in terms of undermining bipartisanship) so many times in the past already. Their entire political agenda is to block Democrats. That's it.

Also, could you please elaborate on why Dems are responsible for those 3 SCJs?
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ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3277 Posts
April 30 2021 18:51 GMT
#64155
On May 01 2021 03:17 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2021 02:56 Starlightsun wrote:
On May 01 2021 02:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 01 2021 02:21 EnDeR_ wrote:
On May 01 2021 01:51 plasmidghost wrote:
On May 01 2021 01:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 01 2021 01:43 plasmidghost wrote:
I am thankful that Biden learned from Obama's mistakes of trying to appease the GOP. This actually gives me some hope since he's listening to the progressives in the party and is trying to work out plans knowing only Dems will support it. I really hope Bernie can convince Biden to push for more progressive policies regarding things like climate change.

https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-bernie-sanders-private-calls-left-wing-nyt-2021-4


I agree that trying to compromise with Congressional Republicans is absolutely fruitless, and a waste of time. The only members of Congress that Biden needs to make sure he keeps on board, for his agenda, are the few Democrats who are moderate, like Joe Manchin. That's where some appeasement might need to exist, but definitely not with respect to Republicans.

Yep, and if the Dems can shake off the midterm trends of the other party making significant gains, people like Manchin would become a lot less relevant (thank god)


I wouldn't bank on that, the trifecta never remains active for long, and reps have an advantage with the senate map, so we'll likely go back to McTurtle blocking everything very soon. Biden should take as many wins as he can, while he can.


It's more likely for Republicans to gain a Senate seat or two, than Democrats, during the next election? I thought it was more likely for Dems to pick up a Senator or two next time (but more likely for Repubs to pick up a few House seats this time and then more likely for Repubs to pick up Senate seats in the following election - two elections from now).


The Republicans are going nuts passing voting bills in their state legislatures... Florida just did one yesterday or something. I think there's a very real danger that they take back the senate with combination of gerrymandering and the slew of new voting legislation they've passed in response to their 2020 loss. I'm really anxious for the Democrats to nuke the filibuster and get to work at DC statehood and strengthening voter enfranchisement. Honestly the GOP feels like a terrorist organization holding the country hostage at this point.

You realized the last time Democrats used the Nuclear option on judicial nominees, you ended up with Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barrett right? Democrats need to stop thinking so short term with their actions when it comes to changing the rules and also consider the backlash and consequences of their actions.

As an example, if Biden does in fact pack the court and add more seats to the Supreme Court, I guarantee you that Republicans will do the same when they go back and control Congress.

Republicans were the ones that nuked the filibuster for SCOTUS nominees though. I still remember the conservative op-eds arguing Dems should let Gorsuch through without filibustering so they could still try to use it on a future nominee. The trouble being, if you’re already not using it because they promised to eliminate it if you use it, it’s already de facto eliminated.
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plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
April 30 2021 19:12 GMT
#64156
I've been watching Biden's pitching of the infrastructure plan at Amtrak. I honestly think the bill doesn't go far enough, but over $2 trillion being invested into the country to rebuild is absolutely a much-needed first step.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23571 Posts
April 30 2021 20:22 GMT
#64157
On May 01 2021 02:21 EnDeR_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2021 01:51 plasmidghost wrote:
On May 01 2021 01:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 01 2021 01:43 plasmidghost wrote:
I am thankful that Biden learned from Obama's mistakes of trying to appease the GOP. This actually gives me some hope since he's listening to the progressives in the party and is trying to work out plans knowing only Dems will support it. I really hope Bernie can convince Biden to push for more progressive policies regarding things like climate change.

https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-bernie-sanders-private-calls-left-wing-nyt-2021-4


I agree that trying to compromise with Congressional Republicans is absolutely fruitless, and a waste of time. The only members of Congress that Biden needs to make sure he keeps on board, for his agenda, are the few Democrats who are moderate, like Joe Manchin. That's where some appeasement might need to exist, but definitely not with respect to Republicans.

Yep, and if the Dems can shake off the midterm trends of the other party making significant gains, people like Manchin would become a lot less relevant (thank god)


I wouldn't bank on that, the trifecta never remains active for long, and reps have an advantage with the senate map, so we'll likely go back to McTurtle blocking everything very soon. Biden should take as many wins as he can, while he can.

If McTurtle was actually what was blocking everything from being voted on you'd think that stuff would have been getting voted on now while he's not in control.

Instead we've got months of Democrats negotiating with themselves to look forward to apparently.
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plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
April 30 2021 20:50 GMT
#64158
Biden has cancelled the border wall from being built using military funds. I'm genuinely surprised by this because I'm so used to Dems caving in to Republican fearmongering and not wanting to do anything that would piss them off. I still don't know what this administration is going to do with regards to the wall, but I really don't think it'll continue. Also of note is that some of the funding will go towards repairing some of the environmental damage Trump caused by forcing its construction.



President Biden is canceling projects to build a wall along the southern border using diverted defense funds and will use some funding to counter environmental damage from the wall's construction.

Then-President Trump had diverted billions in defense and military construction funds toward building the wall, using emergency powers after Congress refused to fully fund the project directly.

"Consistent with the President’s Proclamation terminating the redirection of funds for border wall, no more money will be diverted from other purposes to building a border wall," a Biden administration official said Friday. "Today, the Department of Defense will begin cancelling all wall projects using the diverted funds, and will take steps to return remaining unobligated military construction funds to their appropriated purpose as permitted by law."

A Defense Department spokesperson said the funds would be returned to accounts designated for "schools for military children, overseas military construction projects in partner nations, and the National Guard and Reserve equipment account," but added that the department was reviewing projects to determine priorities.

Upon entering office, Biden canceled the state of emergency Trump had declared along the southern border and paused construction on the wall in order to conduct a review, though the 60 day period for the review's completion has long passed.

Republicans in Congress have accused Biden of illegally halting congressionally approved funds, and the Government Accountability Office is preparing a report on whether the pause was legal under the Impoundment Control Act.

Sen. James Risch (Idaho), the top Republican on the Senate Foreign Relation Committee, said the move would be a blow to national security.

"This is an ill-advised decision at best," Risch tweeted.

The administration said Friday it would use some of the $1.4 billion appropriated for constructing the wall toward repairing environmental damage from its construction, such as flood barriers in the Rio Grande Valley and soil erosion in San Diego.

The issue of funding the wall, one the most symbolic policies of the Trump era, was a regular flashpoint between Democrats and Republicans over the past four years.

Trump would regularly request north of $5 billion a year for the wall, much to the chagrin of Democrats.

In order to pass spending bills, which require 60 votes in the Senate, Democrats and Republicans typically compromised on a significantly lower figure, replete with caveats over what could be built or reinforced with the funds.

In late 2018, however, Trump threatened to veto spending bills over lack of wall funding, leading to a 35-day government shutdown, the longest in the nation's history. When it was over, he declared a state of emergency and announced he would redirect the defense funds and other sources of government money toward building the wall.

Democrats and outside groups have challenged the diversion of military funds toward the wall in court with mixed success.


https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/551227-biden-cancels-military-funded-border-wall-projects
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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
April 30 2021 21:33 GMT
#64159
On April 30 2021 22:00 maybenexttime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 30 2021 18:40 BlackJack wrote:
On April 30 2021 18:28 maybenexttime wrote:
On April 30 2021 14:27 BlackJack wrote:
On April 30 2021 14:13 NewSunshine wrote:
On April 30 2021 14:10 BlackJack wrote:
Let me spell out my position for you as simply as I can: It's wrong to think one should not get vaccinated, but people should be entitled to their wrong opinion without having the truth police crack down on them.

People are entitled to be wrong, but to convince other people of your wrong opinion and put their lives at risk is something entirely different. This isn't just a discussion about whether the sky is blue, it's a bloody pandemic. It's like if there were a section on the internet of people who like to make arguments about why you should drive drunk. There's consequences to having certain opinions, as well as to letting people proliferate beliefs that are objectively dangerous. You haven't addressed that.


You're right, it's not a discussion about whether the sky is blue. We don't have a 1st amendment so that we can talk about the sky being blue. Free speech is freaking useless if it only gives us the right to talk about things that aren't controversial. The fact that you're willing to to go full blown authoritarian at the first sign of danger shows exactly why we need a 1st amendment and people to stand up for it.

It's not a matter of saying controversial things. It's literally the pandemic equivalent of crying "FIRE" in a packed theater, causing people to trample one another.


I just took 2 pages of shit for arguing that "temporarily stop administering a vaccine" is the same as "temporarily stop taking a vaccine."

People are honestly going to come here and say that saying something anti-vax is literally the same as inciting violence or yelling fire in a packed theater?

If people let this shit slide I'm gonna be upset lol

I really fail to see how my analogy is not good. How is crying "vaccines cause autism" leading to a a polio or smallpox outbreak different from someone crying "fire" causing people to trample one another? Both are cases of misinformation causing people to protect themselves against a non-existent threat, killing others in the process.



I'm going to be honest, I'm no expert in constitutional law and my expertise amounts to a couple of courses I took in college. I don't think I've even heard of Schenck v United States where the "fire in a theater" metaphor was supposedly created, but I do know of it from Brandenburg v Ohio. In that case the court found that in order to suppress speech in such a way you have to show that it would cause "imminent lawless action." The "imminent" part is really what sets your comparison apart. If the speech is not coupled with the action it gives the government way too broad of a brush to strike down any speech it could argue may cause some future harm.
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
April 30 2021 22:25 GMT
#64160
On May 01 2021 03:17 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2021 02:56 Starlightsun wrote:
On May 01 2021 02:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 01 2021 02:21 EnDeR_ wrote:
On May 01 2021 01:51 plasmidghost wrote:
On May 01 2021 01:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On May 01 2021 01:43 plasmidghost wrote:
I am thankful that Biden learned from Obama's mistakes of trying to appease the GOP. This actually gives me some hope since he's listening to the progressives in the party and is trying to work out plans knowing only Dems will support it. I really hope Bernie can convince Biden to push for more progressive policies regarding things like climate change.

https://www.businessinsider.com/joe-biden-bernie-sanders-private-calls-left-wing-nyt-2021-4


I agree that trying to compromise with Congressional Republicans is absolutely fruitless, and a waste of time. The only members of Congress that Biden needs to make sure he keeps on board, for his agenda, are the few Democrats who are moderate, like Joe Manchin. That's where some appeasement might need to exist, but definitely not with respect to Republicans.

Yep, and if the Dems can shake off the midterm trends of the other party making significant gains, people like Manchin would become a lot less relevant (thank god)


I wouldn't bank on that, the trifecta never remains active for long, and reps have an advantage with the senate map, so we'll likely go back to McTurtle blocking everything very soon. Biden should take as many wins as he can, while he can.


It's more likely for Republicans to gain a Senate seat or two, than Democrats, during the next election? I thought it was more likely for Dems to pick up a Senator or two next time (but more likely for Repubs to pick up a few House seats this time and then more likely for Repubs to pick up Senate seats in the following election - two elections from now).


The Republicans are going nuts passing voting bills in their state legislatures... Florida just did one yesterday or something. I think there's a very real danger that they take back the senate with combination of gerrymandering and the slew of new voting legislation they've passed in response to their 2020 loss. I'm really anxious for the Democrats to nuke the filibuster and get to work at DC statehood and strengthening voter enfranchisement. Honestly the GOP feels like a terrorist organization holding the country hostage at this point.

You realized the last time Democrats used the Nuclear option on judicial nominees, you ended up with Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barrett right? Democrats need to stop thinking so short term with their actions when it comes to changing the rules and also consider the backlash and consequences of their actions.

As an example, if Biden does in fact pack the court and add more seats to the Supreme Court, I guarantee you that Republicans will do the same when they go back and control Congress.

I'm going to go ahead and correctly apportion responsibility to Republicans for the nominees they enabled themselves to add to the Supreme Court, if that's cool with you. They are not absolved of the responsibility of their awful choices just because they pointed at Democrats after doing so.
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