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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24382 Posts
On April 27 2021 21:23 BlackJack wrote: The fact that most police wear body cameras now is a huge change from 10 years ago. I don't know who said that reform has failed for 60 years but 60 years ago blacks were still being lynched Still are, although nooses are out of style. Then the whole country watches with grimaces and/or glee until the next one. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8195 Posts
On April 27 2021 21:23 BlackJack wrote: The fact that most police wear body cameras now is a huge change from 10 years ago. I don't know who said that reform has failed for 60 years but 60 years ago blacks were still being lynched I mean if it’s about racial equality, 60 years ago Yale was not opened to black students and interracial marriage was forbidden in 30 states... | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19391 Posts
On April 27 2021 21:52 Biff The Understudy wrote: I mean if it’s about racial equality, 60 years ago Yale was not opened to black students and interracial marriage was forbidden in 30 states... Funny you mention that as Jacksonville launches an elementary for black kids by black owners. I’m not even attempting to say it’s a bad or good thing. I wish the school all the best of luck in educating those children. Just sharing the irony of black created school segregation in connection with your statement. https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2021/04/19/black-owned-elementary-school-to-open-in-jacksonville/ | ||
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EnDeR_
Spain2946 Posts
On April 27 2021 21:58 BisuDagger wrote: Funny you mention that as Jacksonville launches an elementary for black kids by black owners. I’m not even attempting to say it’s a bad or good thing. I wish the school all the best of luck in educating those children. Just sharing the irony of black created school segregation in connection with your statement. https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2021/04/19/black-owned-elementary-school-to-open-in-jacksonville/ Why am I picturing Tucker Carlson saying that black people are the real racists and showing a picture of this in the background. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
On April 27 2021 22:12 JimmiC wrote: I missed the segregation part. Are white and hispanics not allowed? All it says is that it is black owned? And it says it is open to all families. There are black colleges and universities as well, I don't see the controversy. It's modeled after HBCUs, none of which exclude anyone based on race. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24382 Posts
On April 27 2021 21:52 Biff The Understudy wrote: I mean if it’s about racial equality, 60 years ago Yale was not opened to black students and interracial marriage was forbidden in 30 states... Worth remembering the Civil Rights Act of 1968 was signed during the massive nationwide riots immediately following the assassination of MLK Jr., not before. | ||
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19391 Posts
On April 27 2021 22:12 JimmiC wrote: I missed the segregation part. Are white and hispanics not allowed? All it says is that it is black owned? And it says it is open to all families. There are black colleges and universities as well, I don't see the controversy. I didn’t say controversy, I never mentioned it as a controversy. If you didn’t understand my point of irony that’s fine. Like I said, I have no opinion or objection to the institution itself. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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ZerOCoolSC2
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Proponents of the effort to remove Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom of California from office have collected enough valid signatures for a recall election, the California secretary of state's office announced Monday. The announcement kicks off a 30-business-day period in which those who signed the recall petition may withdraw their names. County election officials will then have 10 business days to report how many signatures have been withdrawn. If the threshold is still met, a recall election would take place after a budgetary review and scheduling process expected to last several months. The recall drive began in June 2020, and a court extended the deadline for collecting signatures because of the coronavirus pandemic. The group running the signature drive — Recall Gavin 2020 — posted a lengthy list of grievances against the governor on its website: "Unaffordable housing. Record homelessness. Rising crime. Failing schools. Independent contractors thrown out of work. Exploding pension debt. And now, a locked down population while the prisons are emptied. Hold Gavin Newsom accountable." Source | ||
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IgnE
United States7684 Posts
The problem with the “we need better cop training” position is that it’s addressing a symptom rather than a cause. In an ideal world, people would act cordially to the police because the police would be a just organization. Call them the law stewards if you don’t like the word police. But plenty of people make very bad decisions when confronted by the police. Why? Because the legal system wrecks the lives of some good people, and is perceived to be unfair both in its process design and in its costs. There are two things that you could do to drastically cut police shootings in this country if you had a magic wand: 1) get rid of all guns 2) restore trust in the legal system as a whole. The second one might include things like a) opening up police to more legal liability for the injuries and humiliations of being arrested, especially when it is disproportionate or a baseless arrest, b) increasing the supply of public defenders and fixing the legal system so that it doesn’t threaten people’s jobs and livelihoods c) ending the drug war d) etc. But prevalence of guns and distrust of our punishment system are the two main causes behind police shootings in my view. You won’t ever be able to get police shootings appreciably down without addressing one or both. Well, you might be able to, if police were just dissolved without any other changes maybe there wouldn’t be police shootings. But you’d almost surely see far more total shootings and other violent crime. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On April 27 2021 22:46 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: I hope Caitlyn Jenner wins. PLEASE LET CAITLYN JENNER WIN. As much as I love the city of San Diego and the many people I've met throughout the state...This would be an amazing outcome. Source Whoever they can get to replace Newsom - Jenner included - is likely an improvement. | ||
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Archeon
3274 Posts
On April 27 2021 22:48 IgnE wrote: I don’t think there’s any evidence that cops expect black people to act more deferentially than anyone else. The problem with the “we need better cop training” position is that it’s addressing a symptom rather than a cause. In an ideal world, people would act cordially to the police because the police would be a just organization. Call them the law stewards if you don’t like the word police. But plenty of people make very bad decisions when confronted by the police. Why? Because the legal system wrecks the lives of some good people, and is perceived to be unfair both in its process design and in its costs. There are two things that you could do to drastically cut police shootings in this country if you had a magic wand: 1) get rid of all guns 2) restore trust in the legal system as a whole. The second one might include things like a) opening up police to more legal liability for the injuries and humiliations of being arrested, especially when it is disproportionate or a baseless arrest, b) increasing the supply of public defenders and fixing the legal system so that it doesn’t threaten people’s jobs and livelihoods c) ending the drug war d) etc. But prevalence of guns and distrust of our punishment system are the two main causes behind police shootings in my view. You won’t ever be able to get police shootings appreciably down without addressing one or both. Well, you might be able to, if police were just dissolved without any other changes maybe there wouldn’t be police shootings. But you’d almost surely see far more total shootings and other violent crime. Honestly as a European your police is incredibly aggressive and that probably has a lot to do with how situations escalate. Your cops stress the shit out of suspects and that is before thinking about how many people get shot by cops each year. They probably stress themselves out as well. Like German cops will on average try to be calming and deescalate. From what I've seen US cops often demand submission and will do so while shouting in your face with a drawn weapon. Just watching some of the bodycams stresses me the hell out, no wonder suspects panic and do dumb stuff. Not that I disagree that the legal system/trust and guns are some of the major elements of cop violence, but training and related attitude are a large aspect. And honestly if cops shooting people supposedly because of the danger like some reds argue I don't get why they don't get decent training before patrolling the streets. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10962 Posts
On April 27 2021 23:39 Archeon wrote: Honestly as a European your police is incredibly aggressive and that probably has a lot to do with how situations escalate. Your cops stress the shit out of suspects and that is before thinking about how many people get shot by cops each year. They probably stress themselves out as well. Like German cops will on average try to be calming and deescalate. From what I've seen US cops often demand submission and will do so while shouting in your face with a drawn weapon. Just watching some of the bodycams stresses me the hell out, no wonder suspects panic and do dumb stuff. Not that I disagree that the legal system/trust and guns are some of the major elements of cop violence, but training and related attitude are a large aspect. And honestly if cops shooting people supposedly because of the danger like some reds argue I don't get why they don't get decent training before patrolling the streets. I 100% agree with that. I'm really not liking police for really minor reasons, i truely feel that people that want to be a police officer would also have joined the Stasi and similar organisations in their time. But the few encounters i had with them (aside from one strange routine traffic control were they guy was just an ass but it still didn't lead to any fine) have been totally friendly and professional. I feel like the police in the US is trying way too hard to be "THE BOSS" when they get to any sort of encounter instead of being there to just help and deescalate. I don't know if this is just a result of american culture were "being alpha" and stuff like that still seems to be very important which leads to unecessary posturing or if the fault is with police itself.... Something seems to be just really wrong in your society. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8195 Posts
On April 27 2021 22:39 GreenHorizons wrote: Worth remembering the Civil Rights Act of 1968 was signed during the massive nationwide riots immediately following the assassination of MLK Jr., not before. Of course. That’s why protests like BLM are so important. They enable change that was impossible before them. And most importantly, they actually change people’s mind and ideas. Even when they encounter massive resistance or are even unpopular in the polls, they plant the seeds that make sctual progress and actual change possible. | ||
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EnDeR_
Spain2946 Posts
www.theguardian.com Biden plans to beef up IRS to claim up to $700bn in tax from richest Americans. Joe Biden plans to give tax collectors an extra $80bn to seek as much as $700bn in new revenue from high earners and large corporations, as part of the “American Families Plan” set to be unveiled this week. The additional funding represents an increase of two-thirds over the agency’s entire funding levels for the past decade. I'm genuinely surprised. Biden's presidency is exceeding all my expectations so far. I wonder if the next R president will undo this one; hard to argue against making sure everyone pays what they owe, but with the GOP in the state it is, you just never know. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10962 Posts
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