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On February 18 2021 04:07 TheTenthDoc wrote:A random Texas mayor went full "the strong will survive" and told the residents that no one owed them anything. Also called everyone waiting in their homes lazy and blamed the socialist government. Full "pull yourself up out of the freezing temperatures by your bootstraps." I'm sure his COVID response was similar. He since resigned and is no longer mayor. And now he's complaining that people are mean to him.
I’m somewhat okay with sociopaths insisting that they have no obligation to their fellow man but this is a guy serving in public office, paid by public funds, to represent the interests of his constituents. It’s baffling that someone who so passionately disagrees with public service would be elected to a position of public service.
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On February 18 2021 03:28 Gorsameth wrote:I wonder if the Texans shivering in their homes without basic electricity agree with him that being a 3e world country is the pinnacle of #freedom.
More of America than Im comfortable with is happy with conditions below what any first world country should expect, tbh, I wouldn't be surprised if there were some Texans shivering in their homes wrapped in blankets going, "I wont freeze to death, I'll free to death."
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I saw the theory floated by a rando that Texas is only getting hit this bad by the cold because their buildings are insulated to keep heat out, not in, which was definitely an interesting theory on how heat works. It was wrong, but interesting. Kind of shocking in general that large swathes of homes were built without basic insulation, but then again it took insane amounts of destruction before Florida incorporated storm readiness into their building codes.
Also Texas putting the "free" in freeze is pretty good, though I'm having a hard time with humor knowing how fucking shitty it is there right now. This needs to be a wake-up call to enact change for the better.
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On February 18 2021 04:07 TheTenthDoc wrote:A random Texas mayor went full "the strong will survive" and told the residents that no one owed them anything. Also called everyone waiting in their homes lazy and blamed the socialist government. Full "pull yourself up out of the freezing temperatures by your bootstraps." I'm sure his COVID response was similar. He since resigned and is no longer mayor. And now he's complaining that people are mean to him.
I hope he goes and shovels snow into his neighbors yard. What a fucking clown.
Edit: The gall that these people have is what pisses me off so much. Its not a handout to ask government, power companies, etc to do their job and have plans in place. What is wrong with so many people in our country today?
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On February 18 2021 04:29 NewSunshine wrote:
I saw the theory floated by a rando that Texas is only getting hit this bad by the cold because their buildings are insulated to keep heat out, not in, which was definitely an interesting theory on how heat works. It was wrong, but interesting. Kind of shocking in general that large swathes of homes were built without basic insulation, but then again it took insane amounts of destruction before Florida incorporated storm readiness into their building codes.
Also Texas putting the "free" in freeze is pretty good, though I'm having a hard time with humor knowing how fucking shitty it is there right now. This needs to be a wake-up call to enact change for the better.
Consider the humble swamp cooler. It takes outside air, cools it, and pushes it into the house. A house with excellent insulation cannot be cooled this way, the pressure inside the house will build up until cold air cannot be pushed in. A house that leaks inside air can. Inside air getting out is a key part of cooling but not great for staying warm in the winter.
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On February 18 2021 04:29 NewSunshine wrote:
I saw the theory floated by a rando that Texas is only getting hit this bad by the cold because their buildings are insulated to keep heat out, not in, which was definitely an interesting theory on how heat works. It was wrong, but interesting. Kind of shocking in general that large swathes of homes were built without basic insulation, but then again it took insane amounts of destruction before Florida incorporated storm readiness into their building codes.
Also Texas putting the "free" in freeze is pretty good, though I'm having a hard time with humor knowing how fucking shitty it is there right now. This needs to be a wake-up call to enact change for the better.
Yeah I know a fair few people in the Austin region who are dealing with the rolling blackouts, they're mostly doing okay, but they're also definitely not the most at-risk people in the area.
America is just a sham, crap infrastructure, dysfunctional government and politicians, and the constant veneer of "Nah, we're the best." I'd say I don't understand how the US can continually fail in so many respects, but I'm pretty sure we're just as a country completely unwilling to do the hard things to make the country better in basically any respect. We'd rather throw a coat of paint over something and call it great progress than actually repair the rotting frame of the house.
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The double talk from Republicans that has controlled the conversation for decades says both that taxes are immoral and that expecting things to result from the taxes you do pay is also immoral. The result of course is that your taxes go to the wealthy and stay there.
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I've always wondered why Americans build their homes out of wood and drywall when they live in a country regularly hit by hurricanes, tornados, fires, earthquakes. and in recent years extreme temperatures. I guess the logic is that it's cheaper and faster, but is it really when you have to rebuild every few years or suddenly find yourself freezing to death?
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On February 18 2021 04:37 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2021 04:29 NewSunshine wrote:
I saw the theory floated by a rando that Texas is only getting hit this bad by the cold because their buildings are insulated to keep heat out, not in, which was definitely an interesting theory on how heat works. It was wrong, but interesting. Kind of shocking in general that large swathes of homes were built without basic insulation, but then again it took insane amounts of destruction before Florida incorporated storm readiness into their building codes.
Also Texas putting the "free" in freeze is pretty good, though I'm having a hard time with humor knowing how fucking shitty it is there right now. This needs to be a wake-up call to enact change for the better. Consider the humble swamp cooler. It takes outside air, cools it, and pushes it into the house. A house with excellent insulation cannot be cooled this way, the pressure inside the house will build up until cold air cannot be pushed in. A house that leaks inside air can. Inside air getting out is a key part of cooling but not great for staying warm in the winter.
This is horribly simplified but I feel that the fault in this short sighted approach is so very on point.
It beggs one to say: if only you did X, then Y wouldn't be a problem.
But then the cultural side comes into play and X is impossible because it's partisan, even though it makes SO MUCH SENSE.
Disaster relief.
Healthcare.
Modern housing standards (from 20 years ago).
Social security.
Unemployment benefits.
Worker's rights.
...
the list goes on.
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On February 18 2021 04:37 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2021 04:29 NewSunshine wrote:
I saw the theory floated by a rando that Texas is only getting hit this bad by the cold because their buildings are insulated to keep heat out, not in, which was definitely an interesting theory on how heat works. It was wrong, but interesting. Kind of shocking in general that large swathes of homes were built without basic insulation, but then again it took insane amounts of destruction before Florida incorporated storm readiness into their building codes.
Also Texas putting the "free" in freeze is pretty good, though I'm having a hard time with humor knowing how fucking shitty it is there right now. This needs to be a wake-up call to enact change for the better. Consider the humble swamp cooler. It takes outside air, cools it, and pushes it into the house. A house with excellent insulation cannot be cooled this way, the pressure inside the house will build up until cold air cannot be pushed in. A house that leaks inside air can. Inside air getting out is a key part of cooling but not great for staying warm in the winter.
Being from the midwest where its extremely humid in the summer, this is the first Ive heard of a swamp cooler. That was interesting. I could definately see why their building/insulation strategy would be different. Even internal to the state Id imagine theres big differences. I have to think Houston would be in better shape with more insullation being by the gulf than some western parts of the state. I wonder how their building codes handle this.
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That's a thing here as well. When it's 40 C in summer, but there is a breeze, airflow helps enormously. Lots of houses are designed with high ceilings, big windows, intentionally poor sealing in floorboards etc to let the breeze in and avoid running A/C.
It's great in summer, and it's absolutely miserable in winter. I know several northern Europeans who've come here and complained about the cold when it's like +5 C out because they're used to being able to go inside. We have no "inside".
I have no idea if that's relevant to Texas, but it's possible for building design to work in one direction only.
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On February 18 2021 06:10 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2021 04:37 KwarK wrote:On February 18 2021 04:29 NewSunshine wrote:
I saw the theory floated by a rando that Texas is only getting hit this bad by the cold because their buildings are insulated to keep heat out, not in, which was definitely an interesting theory on how heat works. It was wrong, but interesting. Kind of shocking in general that large swathes of homes were built without basic insulation, but then again it took insane amounts of destruction before Florida incorporated storm readiness into their building codes.
Also Texas putting the "free" in freeze is pretty good, though I'm having a hard time with humor knowing how fucking shitty it is there right now. This needs to be a wake-up call to enact change for the better. Consider the humble swamp cooler. It takes outside air, cools it, and pushes it into the house. A house with excellent insulation cannot be cooled this way, the pressure inside the house will build up until cold air cannot be pushed in. A house that leaks inside air can. Inside air getting out is a key part of cooling but not great for staying warm in the winter. Being from the midwest where its extremely humid in the summer, this is the first Ive heard of a swamp cooler. That was interesting. I could definately see why their building/insulation strategy would be different. Even internal to the state Id imagine theres big differences. I have to think Houston would be in better shape with more insullation being by the gulf than some western parts of the state. I wonder how their building codes handle this.
They’re more commonly called evaporative coolers. They’re the most common kind due to cost and simplicity. It’s just a fan sucking air through a waterlogged mesh. Airflow + water + surface area = cold. The design is unchanged in seventy years or so, a motor, a hose pipe, and a pump.
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On February 18 2021 04:07 TheTenthDoc wrote:A random Texas mayor went full "the strong will survive" and told the residents that no one owed them anything. Also called everyone waiting in their homes lazy and blamed the socialist government. Full "pull yourself up out of the freezing temperatures by your bootstraps." I'm sure his COVID response was similar. He since resigned and is no longer mayor. And now he's complaining that people are mean to him.
i said that two pages ago and I’ll say it again. Texan leadership sees this as working as designed. He said the quiet part out loud. Had he just voted his heart instead of speaking it he’d be re-elected.
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On February 18 2021 04:37 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2021 04:29 NewSunshine wrote:
I saw the theory floated by a rando that Texas is only getting hit this bad by the cold because their buildings are insulated to keep heat out, not in, which was definitely an interesting theory on how heat works. It was wrong, but interesting. Kind of shocking in general that large swathes of homes were built without basic insulation, but then again it took insane amounts of destruction before Florida incorporated storm readiness into their building codes.
Also Texas putting the "free" in freeze is pretty good, though I'm having a hard time with humor knowing how fucking shitty it is there right now. This needs to be a wake-up call to enact change for the better. Consider the humble swamp cooler. It takes outside air, cools it, and pushes it into the house. A house with excellent insulation cannot be cooled this way, the pressure inside the house will build up until cold air cannot be pushed in. A house that leaks inside air can. Inside air getting out is a key part of cooling but not great for staying warm in the winter. Please tell me this is satire. No idea what a swamp cooler is but what you just wrote makes no sense at all in terms of energy transfer.
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On February 18 2021 07:31 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2021 04:37 KwarK wrote:On February 18 2021 04:29 NewSunshine wrote:
I saw the theory floated by a rando that Texas is only getting hit this bad by the cold because their buildings are insulated to keep heat out, not in, which was definitely an interesting theory on how heat works. It was wrong, but interesting. Kind of shocking in general that large swathes of homes were built without basic insulation, but then again it took insane amounts of destruction before Florida incorporated storm readiness into their building codes.
Also Texas putting the "free" in freeze is pretty good, though I'm having a hard time with humor knowing how fucking shitty it is there right now. This needs to be a wake-up call to enact change for the better. Consider the humble swamp cooler. It takes outside air, cools it, and pushes it into the house. A house with excellent insulation cannot be cooled this way, the pressure inside the house will build up until cold air cannot be pushed in. A house that leaks inside air can. Inside air getting out is a key part of cooling but not great for staying warm in the winter. Please tell me this is satire. No idea what a swamp cooler is but what you just wrote makes no sense at all in terms of energy transfer.
It’s not satire, you just didn’t understand it. Not sure why you’d go with “I have no idea what you’re referring to but what you wrote made no sense”. If you don’t understand the subject then address your ignorance before judging the subject.
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Well apparently an swamp cooler is a colloquilism for an evaporative cooler. So what you wrote still make no sense. You don't ned to know what a swamp cooler is to know something makes no sense when it seems to defy the laws of physics.
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On February 18 2021 07:35 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Well apparently an swamp cooler is an evapourative cooler. So what you wrote still make no sense.
Do you understand why you can’t push cold air into an airtight box? Do you understand why the box would need to be leaky to allow you to push air in?
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1) What has that got to do with a house with excellent insulation?
2) It doesn't neccessarily have to take in outside air. A closed system can have internally different temperature gradients.
3) No house no matter how well insulated is a closed system. Otherwise people will die of oxygen deprivation.
4) The idea that "pressure inside the house will build up until cold air cannot be pushed in", is contrary to the idea that "It takes outside air, cools it, and pushes it into the house" and "you can’t push cold air into an airtight box". it can only be one or the other, you are making arguments to fit.
You appear to have thought that the idea that there can be two different types of insulation, one to keep heat in and one to keep heat out, and then made up reasons to go with with it.
Lets say I am in a house, with all windows closed and with excellent insulation. I turn on an evapourative cooler. It transfers heat from the air to water. The water takes in heat energy as the air loses heat energy. It does not require an external source of air. The net heat energy in the house remains equal.
And of course what people do in well insulated homes when it gets hot is to open a window. That doesn't change that there is no different types of insulation.
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On February 18 2021 07:42 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
1) What has that got to do with a house with excellent insulation?
2) It doesn't neccessarily have to take in outside air. A closed system can have internally different temperature gradients.
3) No house no matter how well insulated is a closed system. Otherwise people will die of oxygen deprivation.
4) The idea that "pressure inside the house will build up until cold air cannot be pushed in", is contrary to the idea that "It takes outside air, cools it, and pushes it into the house" and "you can’t push cold air into an airtight box". it can only be one or the other, you are making arguments to fit.
You appear to have thought that the idea that there can be two different types of insulation, one to keep heat in and one to keep heat out, and then made up reasons to go with with it.
You haven’t understood the subject which is why you’re making an idiot of yourself. An evaporative cooling unit is typically a big box with a fan inside it on the roof of the home. The fan sucks outside air through water, cooling it, and into the home. The more airtight the home, the worse it performs. It requires the house to leak air to function.
A house that allows you to push hot air out during the summer (pushing cold air in forces hot air out) will not be good at keeping hot air in during the winter.
This really isn’t very complicated and I think you’re the only one who is both struggling with it and trying to argue against the existence of a common household appliance. I know how they work in the US because I live here and they’re on most houses in my area. You showing up with your inability to understand why you can’t push air into airtight boxes and your wholly unjustified confidence is ridiculous.
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Based on your edit you seem to think the evaporative cooler is inside the house and is cooling down air that is inside the house. This is not correct. It is outside the house.
You also seem to think the input is heat and the output water. The input is water, not the output. The output is water vapour.
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