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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On January 09 2021 13:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I would love to see Don Jr. (and anyone else) banned over this. Trump has tried, hes had the Team Trump twitter banned for ban dodging when he tried to use that one. Basically, hes hard banned, they're not letting him slip away to use any other account as a platform either, they seem to be cracking down on him relatively consistently | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46713 Posts
On January 09 2021 13:43 Zambrah wrote: Trump has tried, hes had the Team Trump twitter banned for ban dodging when he tried to use that one. Basically, hes hard banned, they're not letting him slip away to use any other account as a platform either, they seem to be cracking down on him relatively consistently Good. It came years too late imo, but at least they're not letting him circumvent so easily. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On January 09 2021 13:39 Jockmcplop wrote: This depends on the context doesn't it? It could be like saying 'he gave 1 million to rape victims but then he also spent the last year giving 49 million to defend rapists in court' Twitter CREATED this problem, and the negative effects of that are going to last way longer than the positive effects of banning Trump now, and there's absolutely nothing stopping the same thing from happening again. Your first example is completely idiotic, not gonna bother even answering to that one. Second: no, they didn't create the problem. That's so simplistic it hurts. He didn't run his campaign there. In fact, some of his most egregious idiocies came from fox news interviews or pressers in the white house. His rallies made him president, not tweets. Yes, twitter absolutely ignored the problem, and they're getting flak for it now - rightfully so. To argue that they created the problem is simply shifting away the blame from who actually made him president. Not twitter created the problem, half of america did. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
Cruz: stop being divisive | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On January 09 2021 13:52 Mohdoo wrote: Cruz: we must do battle Cruz: stop being divisive You're only being divisive if you do anything to fight back when they start throwing the punches. Classic victim blaming bullshit. Why stop sexually harassing women in the workplace, for instance, when you can fire any woman who brings it to HR for "rocking the boat"? The original offender gets to have their cake and eat it too, and carry on doing damage and destroying lives like nothing happened, and pretend they're the injured party. Anyone who sees through it knows the opposite is true. Republicans have had some serious fight coming their way for a long time, and much like the deficit, they only seem to give a shit about "unity" when the Democrats start returning fire. They can eat my rhetorical ass. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
After seeing the "former president act", i actually understand why they do it, and why they absolutely should do it. The difference between "retiring" and "impeached" is: $220.000 in penion, annually, plus $20.000 for Melania. Funding for transition like paying wages, rent for office space, and the sorts for 7 months. Funding for a private office/staff, up to annually $150.000 for the first 30 months, then $100.000 afterwards. Entitled to medical treatment in military hospitals at reduced costs. Lifetime Secret Service protection for him, Melania and any child under age 16. I would argue that he doesn't deserve any of this, hence i now support impeachment. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On January 09 2021 14:05 Nyxisto wrote: as I understand it he also can't run for president any more, which would probably significantly cut his efforts of grifting and agitating the pubilc for the next four years. Indeed, missed that. "Judgment in Cases of impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honour, Trust or Profit under the United States." Not just president, but any official office really. | ||
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Shingi11
290 Posts
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Dan HH
Romania9256 Posts
On January 09 2021 13:27 m4ini wrote: They don't, though. They have control over what apps you can download, information usually doesn't come from apps but from websites. I don't think i've ever used an app, ever, to consume news. I wasn't referring to news in particular, most software doesn't work or loses key functionality in browser. Imagine if for the past 30 years people would only use Microsoft-approved executables on desktops and they got a kickback from all commercial activity done via desktop software, we'd be looking at a whole different world. Of course in that particular case you can just say install linux instead, but in the mobile market the relationship between developer and end-user is gated by at least 3 locks. I'm not enthusiastic about Parler being the example I have to work with here but setting aside that it pretty much only exists for radicalization, those people were told to make their own platform if they don't like the existing ones and they did, except they now they also have to make their own phones and OS which are different industries altogether. And even that may not be enough because of the ways some apps permeate culture, their job could require them to be in a WhatsApp group and Facebook may not be interested in their conservaphone. Ironically, the good ol' competition they rever is powerless in the face of the mutant tentacles of these companies. You can compete with a service or product, but not with an empire of inextricable layers and dependencies. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On January 09 2021 14:36 Dan HH wrote: I wasn't referring to news in particular, most software doesn't work or loses key functionality in browser. Imagine if for the past 30 years people would only use Microsoft-approved executables on desktops and they got a kickback from all commercial activity done via desktop software, we'd be looking at a whole different world. Of course in that particular case you can just say install linux instead, but in the mobile market the relationship between developer and end-user is gated by at least 3 locks. I'm not enthusiastic about Parler being the example I have to work with here but setting aside that it pretty much only exists for radicalization, those people were told to make their own platform if they don't like the existing ones and they did, except they now they also have to make their own phones and OS which are different industries altogether. And even that may not be enough because of the ways some apps permeate culture, their job could require them to be in a WhatsApp group and Facebook may not be interested in their conservaphone. Ironically, the good ol' competition they rever is powerless in the face of the mutant tentacles of these companies. You can compete with a service or product, but not with an empire of inextricable layers and dependencies. You simply could've said "monopolies suck". Yeah, they do. But there's (at least to me) too much "information" out of their sphere of influence (unless they ban "browsing, i guess?) that i wouldn't be concerned about google or apple having so much influence that they can white noise out certain information. And, yeah, your argument somewhat falls apart with Parler, and what it "stands for". I suppose there's an argument to be had whether or not big tech should try and prevent neo-nazi/conspiracy groups from spreading their bullshit - but generally, i don't see it that dystopian. That said: the extent of me using my phone is reading the guardian while sitting on the toilet. Apart from that, i use it as (gasp) a phone. Maybe that's why i have a differing view there. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On January 09 2021 14:26 Shingi11 wrote: I think the life time secret service got removed, I think Clinton was the last to get it. Only for a set numbers of years now I believe No, according to wikipedia, Obama re-instated it for him and everyone after him. | ||
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Nyxisto
Germany6287 Posts
On January 09 2021 14:36 Dan HH wrote: And even that may not be enough because of the ways some apps permeate culture, their job could require them to be in a WhatsApp group and Facebook may not be interested in their conservaphone. Ironically, the good ol' competition they rever is powerless in the face of the mutant tentacles of these companies. You can compete with a service or product, but not with an empire of inextricable layers and dependencies. If you're so goddamn toxic that even Cloudflare throws you out maybe the right conclusion is to ask yourself where the hell you went wrong rather than to pretend you're the victim of an oppressive net of dependencies. To me that's just the good old market place of ideas at work. Parler is about as much of a contribution to humanity as revenge porn sites, so it's not surprising that nobody wants to do business with them. That says more about the content on parler than it says about anyone else. I actually don't buy the narrative at all that Facebook is particularly powerful in a market sense. It's easier to make a competing social network than it was to make a competing newspaper three decades ago, Parler proves that. It's just that the people that migrate to those sites are so terrible they automatically discredit themselves again. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
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Dan HH
Romania9256 Posts
On January 09 2021 14:47 Nyxisto wrote: If you're so goddamn toxic that even Cloudflare throws you out maybe the right conclusion is to ask yourself where the hell you went wrong rather than to pretend you're the victim of an oppressive net of dependencies. To me that's just the good old market place of ideas at work. Parler is about as much of a contribution to humanity as revenge porn sites, so it's not surprising that nobody wants to do business with them. That says more about the content on parler than it says about anyone else. I actually don't buy the narrative at all that Facebook is particularly powerful in a market sense. It's easier to make a competing social network than it was to make a competing newspaper three decades ago, Parler proves that. It's just that the people that migrate to those sites are so terrible they automatically discredit themselves again. I don't disagree with any of that, this was a side-topic derailment rather than about Parler specifically. I expect the relationship between Apple/Google and app developers, and the impotence of competition in dealing with digital East India Companies to be fast growing issues but I'll leave it at that for now. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On January 09 2021 15:51 Dan HH wrote: I don't disagree with any of that, this was a side-topic derailment rather than about Parler specifically. I expect the relationship between Apple/Google and app developers, and the impotence of competition in dealing with digital East India Companies to be fast growing issues but I'll leave it at that for now. We're overdue taking the time to consider how we handle the technology sector, it would be nice to sit down and actually figure that out sometime soon. Preferably by developing some framework which we can use to handle generally emerging new technologies without just letting them get out of hand. That may also just happen as older members of Congress die out and get replaced by younger people who actually know what an interweb is, but waiting on old Congresspeople to die out is an unpleasant timescale. | ||
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StalkerTL
212 Posts
No, the thing he's upset about isn't getting silenced. Its that he's a banned forum user who is addicted to the forum he's banned from. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8225 Posts
They should have done it when he was spouting racist conspiracy theories about Obama being born in Kenya and so on, but better late than never. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8225 Posts
I think this is really a positive development. Internet has been a hate and conspiracy echo chamber for a lot of folks for too long. It looked like a few years ago that it would never change. If Trump has opened the eyes of the public and forced those companies to make sure they don't become nazi infested hate-swamps, it's a really positive collateral. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
On January 09 2021 14:47 Nyxisto wrote: If you're so goddamn toxic that even Cloudflare throws you out maybe the right conclusion is to ask yourself where the hell you went wrong rather than to pretend you're the victim of an oppressive net of dependencies. To me that's just the good old market place of ideas at work. Parler is about as much of a contribution to humanity as revenge porn sites, so it's not surprising that nobody wants to do business with them. That says more about the content on parler than it says about anyone else. I actually don't buy the narrative at all that Facebook is particularly powerful in a market sense. It's easier to make a competing social network than it was to make a competing newspaper three decades ago, Parler proves that. It's just that the people that migrate to those sites are so terrible they automatically discredit themselves again. Not that it’s particularly easy historically to make a big competitive newspaper but I’d say Facebook is pretty damn powerful in a market sense. | ||
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