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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
Trump Campaign Statement on Legal Team: Sidney Powell is practicing law on her own. She is not a member of the Trump Legal Team. She is also not a lawyer for the President in his personal capacity -Rudy Giuliani, Attorney for President Trump, and Jenna Ellis, Trump Campaign Senior Legal Adviser and Attorney for President Trump + Show Spoiler + . Powell is a full on crazy conspiracy nutter and therefore popular with the QAnon hordes. Like she claimed this election is rigged by huge amounts of communist money and that Dominion voting machines were created by long dead Hugo Chavez to steal this election or some shit + Show Spoiler + Trump 'firing' her might create another rift in crazytown, as the 'true believers' already attacked Fox's Tucker Carlson earlier this week when he dared to ask Sidney for evidence. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22286 Posts
On November 23 2020 10:32 Danglars wrote: Do you have a source on that Democrat number being direct voter tampering rather then (dis)information campaigns on twitter, facebook, ect?I think most people here wouldn’t identify with the 2/3 of Democrats that thought that it was definitely or probably true that Russia tampered with vote tallies to get Trump elected in 2016 (polled at the 2018 midterms). It’s a bipartisan problem, but Republicans look to be pulling into the lead (and it would be comforting if at least one party wouldn’t have big majorities alleging it, to be sure). | ||
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/perdue-loeffler-back-trump-call-for-georgia-recount Great you might recover the bin with the signatures, find out that 3 were incorrect, and then what? Take a guess on who they voted for? Throw out all votes and redo the election? Danglars are you sure of what you say, 2/3rd thought russia interfered with the vote tallies? Or just thought russia interfered? (Social media, campaigns etc). I haven't seen any evidence or even allegations from democrats that voting machines or the tallies had been tampered with. I find that 2/3rd figure hard to believe. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
Bernstein is one of the duo of Woodward and Bernstein, who helped bring down Nixon. He's very credible. | ||
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Slydie
1935 Posts
I am thinking of crunching some numbers when the total count is done to see how many votes in the right places Trump would need to flip, but also how many votes the Republicans could get in the WRONG places an still NOT flip. I hope that some day, this system which incentives either party to give zero fucks about a huge part of the country will be thrown in the garbage dump of history where it belongs. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26703 Posts
On November 23 2020 10:32 Danglars wrote: I think most people here wouldn’t identify with the 2/3 of Democrats that thought that it was definitely or probably true that Russia tampered with vote tallies to get Trump elected in 2016 (polled at the 2018 midterms). It’s a bipartisan problem, but Republicans look to be pulling into the lead (and it would be comforting if at least one party wouldn’t have big majorities alleging it, to be sure). Two thirds believed Russians actually tampered with vote tallies? I mean I believe the Russians tried to run interference in the elections, because well, they did. Equally I feel they’re an overstated boogeyman to take away from the failure of a candidate to galvanise voter enthusiasm. Also the irony of Americans complaining about election interference isn’t beyond me. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On November 24 2020 00:24 WombaT wrote: Two thirds believed Russians actually tampered with vote tallies? I mean I believe the Russians tried to run interference in the elections, because well, they did. Equally I feel they’re an overstated boogeyman to take away from the failure of a candidate to galvanise voter enthusiasm. Also the irony of Americans complaining about election interference isn’t beyond me. It's standard Danglars. Republcans shoot someone on the street, his take would be 'but Democrats once opened a window which is a health and safety violation and might have got someone hurt'. He knows the two situations are completely different. He doesn't care. | ||
KwarK
United States43952 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22286 Posts
On November 24 2020 00:12 Nevuk wrote: And yet all those 21 senators stood by as Trump shat on the country and all of them likely (cba to check the records) voted to clear him during impeachment.Carl Bernstein just outed a bunch of GOP senators for having repeatedly expressed contempt for Trump in private. Some are pretty surprising (Rick Scott for instance). Seems like he's going on the record since they're staying quiet about the ridiculous election fraud claims. Bernstein is one of the duo of Woodward and Bernstein, who helped bring down Nixon. He's very credible. https://twitter.com/carlbernstein/status/1330710305354129410 Actions speak louder then words, especially words spoken in private behind closed doors. These were people that actually had some power to do something and they didn't. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On November 24 2020 00:52 JimmiC wrote: He must feel this is very important to bring up as it might hurt him getting off the record comments in the future. He is well past retirement age already. I don't think he needs to consider his future career prospects. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On November 24 2020 00:52 Gorsameth wrote: And yet all those 21 senators stood by as Trump shat on the country and all of them likely (cba to check the records) voted to clear him during impeachment. Actions speak louder then words, especially words spoken in private behind closed doors. These were people that actually had some power to do something and they didn't. Party over country, victory at any cost, the modern Republican mantra. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On November 24 2020 00:52 Gorsameth wrote: And yet all those 21 senators stood by as Trump shat on the country and all of them likely (cba to check the records) voted to clear him during impeachment. Actions speak louder then words, especially words spoken in private behind closed doors. These were people that actually had some power to do something and they didn't. Romney voted for impeachment on 1 of 2 counts (granted, the less important one). None of the others did, and only a couple ever publicly criticized him (mainly Romney and Sasse). Some went to kayfabe lengths to defend him (Rick Scott). One of them (Mike Braun) is publicly denying the reports, which is silly. This isn't some unknown CNN reporter. In any battle of credibility, a senator will lose to Bernstein. I recall when Trump was denying the things in Woodward's book... and then it got revealed all of them were on tape (and rando GOP senators don't have the same faith from the GOP base that Trump does). UPDATE 11:28 a.m. ET — One of the senators named by Bernstein is denying the report. In a statement provided to Mediaite, Sen. Mike Braun insists that he is firmly in the president’s corner. “This is more false news from a CNN political analyst, as I was one of President Trump’s top defenders during impeachment and strongly support his legal efforts to ensure that every legal vote is counted.” https://www.mediaite.com/news/21-gop-senators-privately-expressing-extreme-contempt-for-trump-get-outed-by-carl-bernstein-who-names-names/ | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On November 23 2020 18:37 Gorsameth wrote: Do you have a source on that Democrat number being direct voter tampering rather then (dis)information campaigns on twitter, facebook, ect? Economist/YouGov poll, Nov 4-6, 2018. The wording of the question is as I put it. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On November 24 2020 00:24 WombaT wrote: Two thirds believed Russians actually tampered with vote tallies? I mean I believe the Russians tried to run interference in the elections, because well, they did. Equally I feel they’re an overstated boogeyman to take away from the failure of a candidate to galvanise voter enthusiasm. Also the irony of Americans complaining about election interference isn’t beyond me. The rhetoric that Russia “hacked the election” and Trump was an illegitimate president apparently was enough to convince a majority of Democrats that it probably/definitely involved changing vote tallies. Trump’s taking it very far today, and people are shocked to see so many Republicans polling on tampering. Democrats are also apparently ignorant of their side of the aisle’s views just two years ago (literally, the election just before this one). Believe what you will, but know the context. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28788 Posts
For reference. And yea, '26C. Political Accusations — Russia tampered with vote tallies in order to get Donald Trump elected President.' has 31% of Democrats saying definitely true and 34% saying probably true. Right below you also see that 25% of democrats think that George Soros is funding the immigrant caravan. (68% republicans). | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On November 24 2020 00:28 iamthedave wrote: It's standard Danglars. Republcans shoot someone on the street, his take would be 'but Democrats once opened a window which is a health and safety violation and might have got someone hurt'. He knows the two situations are completely different. He doesn't care. Because Trump’s taken the thing up to 11, people like you feel it’s safe to forget the history of the matter. It’s good to point out the differences, it’s bad faith and partisanship to pretend Russia changing vote tallies (contrary to evidence) is too different to bring up. I’d be very happy if that number was lower from the party that was prior the loser. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On November 24 2020 02:03 Danglars wrote: The rhetoric that Russia “hacked the election” and Trump was an illegitimate president apparently was enough to convince a majority of Democrats that it probably/definitely involved changing vote tallies. Trump’s taking it very far today, and people are shocked to see so many Republicans polling on tampering. Democrats are also apparently ignorant of their side of the aisle’s views just two years ago (literally, the election just before this one). Believe what you will, but know the context. The difference is that that poll came just after news that Russia had successfully entered 39 state's election systems broke. Directly after the election democrats, by a sizable margin, thought the elections were fair. 1/3 of voters suspected votes would be changed before the midterms by hacking, which is a better comparison, imo. | ||
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