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ZerOCoolSC2
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22286 Posts
On November 23 2020 01:40 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: The whole tactic is to drag things out in the hope that time runs out and Governors appoint electors who will overwrite the actual vote.They're doing a third recount in GA. This will never end. The previous recount was done by the state itself, to give the message that all was well. Their mistake was thinking Trump was a rational person. This recount is his campaign requesting one because the result is close, as is their right. There is no further appeal to recount after this. | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
9037 Posts
This shouldn't be allowed when the conclusion is forgone. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
The other parts of the transition are a little different and I'm not sure a court order would be obeyed (these are essentially the security briefings etc.) | ||
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On November 23 2020 01:44 Gorsameth wrote: The whole tactic is to drag things out in the hope that time runs out and Governors appoint electors who will overwrite the actual vote. The previous recount was done by the state itself, to give the message that all was well. Their mistake was thinking Trump was a rational person. This recount is his campaign requesting one because the result is close, as is their right. There is no further appeal to recount after this. With this recount being done by machines, it will actually be a much faster recount. We will have the results before Friday I bet | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
9037 Posts
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IyMoon
United States1249 Posts
On November 23 2020 03:52 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote: Not with the holidays coming up. Try next week. Okay, that is fair. I did not factor that in | ||
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ZerOCoolSC2
9037 Posts
On November 23 2020 04:06 IyMoon wrote: Okay, that is fair. I did not factor that in All good. I just read it on NPR mobile but couldn't find the link to post it. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10384 Posts
On November 22 2020 13:46 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: It was reported last week that Giuliani asked 20k a day for this lol His response to getting chewed out by the judge is that it was always the plan to lose big so that the case can be appealed to the supreme court faster. He also attacks the judge for being 'Obama appointed' but the judge is a republican Federalist Society member... Luckily if federalist society judges are ruling this way and giving these scathing opinions, then there's hope that the Supreme Court will hold the same way come their time to hear the oral arguments. I'm fairly confident on Roberts voting with the liberals, and probably Gorsuch would join them. Thomas, Alito, ACB definitely don't have the most confidence in them and Kavanaugh is also unknown to me. | ||
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Zooper31
United States5713 Posts
Even the Republican judges know they can't just give Trump the election even if they like him. Even they have some form respect for the country/constitution that "trumps" Trump. | ||
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farvacola
United States18857 Posts
On November 23 2020 05:56 Zooper31 wrote: I really have complete faith in the Supreme Court when it comes to these recounts and claims of election fraud. Unless Trump's legal team has some hidden evidence that is 100% damning that can't be argued against. Even the Republican judges know they can't just give Trump the election even if they like him. Even they have some form respect for the country/constitution that "trumps" Trump. One of the funny/stupid things about the withholding of smoking gun evidence until SCOTUS (which Trump's lawyers have said they're doing) is that generally the factual record is set in hard stone by that point up the appeal chain. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On November 23 2020 06:00 farvacola wrote: One of the funny/stupid things about the withholding of smoking gun evidence until SCOTUS (which Trump's lawyers have said they're doing) is that generally the factual record is set in hard stone by that point up the appeal chain. They've said they're doing that in public. They've not said they're doing it in court (where there are consequences for lying). On November 23 2020 06:04 Danglars wrote: The Trump team rhetoric has never matched what they’re actually filing in court. Anyone with a brain knows this is dead at the Supreme Court. He exhausts his legal challenges and wastes a lot more money and walks out of office next year. Something like half of all republicans disagree. Which is pretty sad. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On November 22 2020 22:07 WombaT wrote: Which is insane but quite comforting solely because I’d heard the number was 84% the other day. The 84% I believe was in reference to people who believe the election was unfair. The gap is most likely people who felt the election was unfair, but that Biden won anyway. They're the Republican crowd who have been crying about voter fraud and wanting things like voter ID laws for years (even before Trump was president) in spite of all the evidence that voter fraud never happens at an appreciable rate to actually alter election outcomes, but also know that Trump is a shit candidate who probably didn't win anyway. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On November 23 2020 06:00 farvacola wrote: One of the funny/stupid things about the withholding of smoking gun evidence until SCOTUS (which Trump's lawyers have said they're doing) is that generally the factual record is set in hard stone by that point up the appeal chain. Even prior to Trump's presidency it has been we have evidence that we'll show you eventually. The problem for Trump is he can't create another scandal to divert attention from him losing the election. There won't be another scandal that diverts attention in two weeks so people forget about this one. Tax returns stands out at the starting point, but maybe there was something before that. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On November 22 2020 22:07 WombaT wrote: Which is insane but quite comforting solely because I’d heard the number was 84% the other day. Of course no doubt this will be framed in some quarters as the ostensible left’s fault for being mean to Trump’s base and not understanding their grievances or what have you. Unless I misread - which is possible - I believe 84% believed that there was some doubt in the results but only 50% actually believe Trump won. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26703 Posts
Merci! | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On November 23 2020 06:04 Danglars wrote: The Trump team rhetoric has never matched what they’re actually filing in court. Anyone with a brain knows this is dead at the Supreme Court. He exhausts his legal challenges and wastes a lot more money and walks out of office next year. If the majority of Republicans believed as you do then this would be more comforting. They do not. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26703 Posts
On November 23 2020 08:22 NewSunshine wrote: If the majority of Republicans believed as you do then this would be more comforting. They do not. The Dangly One is as tapped in to the pulse of these people as I am, I.e not very. Which isn’t to denigrate or venerate either of our insights, but basic normal people parameters don’t seem to apply whatsoever. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On November 23 2020 10:07 WombaT wrote: The Dangly One is as tapped in to the pulse of these people as I am, I.e not very. Which isn’t to denigrate or venerate either of our insights, but basic normal people parameters don’t seem to apply whatsoever. I think most people here wouldn’t identify with the 2/3 of Democrats that thought that it was definitely or probably true that Russia tampered with vote tallies to get Trump elected in 2016 (polled at the 2018 midterms). It’s a bipartisan problem, but Republicans look to be pulling into the lead (and it would be comforting if at least one party wouldn’t have big majorities alleging it, to be sure). | ||
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