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Danglars
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United States12133 Posts
October 26 2020 17:07 GMT
#55721
On October 27 2020 01:54 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2020 01:50 Simberto wrote:
On October 27 2020 01:32 Mohdoo wrote:
On October 27 2020 00:46 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 27 2020 00:01 Mohdoo wrote:
I really don’t like Biden spending time in Georgia. He needs to get his ass back to the Midwest and firm that up. Or spend that entire week in Pennsylvania. But not Georgia. He doesn’t need Georgia this just feels so dumb

I might be wrong but I think Georgia is super important for the control of the senate, so Biden might be killing two birds with one stone.

Biden had a super ambitious agenda when it comes to topic like the environment. It's not really worth being elected if the republican are going to stonewall the hell out of everything. And they will, given the chance.

I just can't help but feel like step 1 of being president needs to be at 120% before doing things like this


I am not certain about that. The republican controlled senate has been horrific for the last decade or so. It is basically what enabled McConnell to do all the bullshit obstructionism in the first place.

I think the senate might be more important than the presidency. A democrat president with a McConnell majority republican senate will not do anything. We have seen how bad that situation is during six out of 8 of the years of Obamas presidency.

Obama/Democrats didn't lose the senate until the second half of his second term.

I was waiting for him to say Harry Reid managed to eliminate the judicial filibuster in 2013, while being minority leader of the Senate. Ricochet shot at Senate Dems I suppose.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
October 26 2020 17:29 GMT
#55722
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24208 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-26 17:55:33
October 26 2020 17:44 GMT
#55723
On October 27 2020 01:47 plasmidghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2020 01:41 GreenHorizons wrote:
On October 26 2020 19:20 Gorsameth wrote:
On October 26 2020 18:29 Liquid`Drone wrote:
On October 26 2020 11:37 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On October 25 2020 21:19 Liquid`Drone wrote:
On October 25 2020 21:13 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On October 25 2020 18:51 Simberto wrote:
And why did Obama with a majority of the votes get to place less of these seats in 8 years than Trump with a minority in 4?

Because they were expecting Hillary to win and she would pick their replacements?
Hubris.


Can you please stop responding to things where you have absolutely no clue whatsoever?

McConnell blocking everything is the reason. He has repeatedly bragged about this. There was never a conscious choice by democrats to not confirm judges because they expected Hillary to win. Some republican even stated that he would have made his best effort to block Hillary from nominating anyone during her entire 4 year term, if she had ended up winning.

This is what her own daughter stated...
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/21/magazine/ginsburg-successor-obama.html
“I think that Mother, like many others, expected that Hillary Clinton would win the nomination and the presidency, and she wanted the first female president to name her successor,” Jane Ginsburg emailed me on Sunday.

Ginsberg thought Clinton would follow Obama and her successor would be appointed by Hillary Clinton, the natural choice of next president.Many, many calls for her to retire even before Republicans retook control of senate.


Ok if Ginsburg had retired during Obama's first term, so 8+ years ago, it'd have been fine. Otherwise the nomination would have been blocked.
Yeah, it would have had to be in the first 2 years of his first term so 2009-2010.
Feels like a lifetime ago considering how the political landscape in the US seems to have changed since then.

She got her 2nd cancer diagnosis and was in her mid-late 70's. Would have been much wiser for her to retire then, or when Obama pointed out to her specifically that losing the senate was a real possibility and she might get replaced by a Republican. Democrats didn't lose control of the Senate until 2015 btw.

She rebuffed every attempt and it turns out it was a terrible strategy that looks incredibly selfish in hindsight. That doesn't excuse McConnell for his cynical obstructionism, but that was a known quantity considering he opened with his top priority being to make Obama a 1 term president.
On October 27 2020 00:48 plasmidghost wrote:
On October 27 2020 00:46 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 27 2020 00:01 Mohdoo wrote:
I really don’t like Biden spending time in Georgia. He needs to get his ass back to the Midwest and firm that up. Or spend that entire week in Pennsylvania. But not Georgia. He doesn’t need Georgia this just feels so dumb

I might be wrong but I think Georgia is super important for the control of the senate, so Biden might be killing two birds with one stone.

Biden had a super ambitious agenda when it comes to topic like the environment. It's not really worth being elected if the republican are going to stonewall the hell out of everything. And they will, given the chance.

That's a great point. Both Senate races have a very real possibility of going Dem and if Biden can win those for the Dems, then they'd be able to handily afford a couple of defections


"handily afford a couple defections" how? They won't have more than 60 and I haven't seen 50+1 Democrats that support getting rid of the filibuster?

They don't? I thought I read something by Schumer saying that they would if they get a majority.


Nope. You probably did read that. He doesn't have the votes though and if you're talking about the press conference I think you are, he admitted as much.

On October 27 2020 02:07 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2020 01:54 GreenHorizons wrote:
On October 27 2020 01:50 Simberto wrote:
On October 27 2020 01:32 Mohdoo wrote:
On October 27 2020 00:46 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 27 2020 00:01 Mohdoo wrote:
I really don’t like Biden spending time in Georgia. He needs to get his ass back to the Midwest and firm that up. Or spend that entire week in Pennsylvania. But not Georgia. He doesn’t need Georgia this just feels so dumb

I might be wrong but I think Georgia is super important for the control of the senate, so Biden might be killing two birds with one stone.

Biden had a super ambitious agenda when it comes to topic like the environment. It's not really worth being elected if the republican are going to stonewall the hell out of everything. And they will, given the chance.

I just can't help but feel like step 1 of being president needs to be at 120% before doing things like this


I am not certain about that. The republican controlled senate has been horrific for the last decade or so. It is basically what enabled McConnell to do all the bullshit obstructionism in the first place.

I think the senate might be more important than the presidency. A democrat president with a McConnell majority republican senate will not do anything. We have seen how bad that situation is during six out of 8 of the years of Obamas presidency.

Obama/Democrats didn't lose the senate until the second half of his second term.

I was waiting for him to say Harry Reid managed to eliminate the judicial filibuster in 2013, while being minority leader of the Senate. Ricochet shot at Senate Dems I suppose.

Just want to clarify that Democrats removed the filibuster for federal judges (and executive appointments) in 2013 Republicans removed the filibuster for SCOUTS nominees in 2017.
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Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
October 26 2020 18:13 GMT
#55724
On October 27 2020 02:29 plasmidghost wrote:
Couple of polls from YouGov and the NYT have Trump with a 4-5pt lead in Texas, which is dampening my expectations of us to go blue but it is interesting to look at them and see that Biden holds a significant lead (59-39) in early votes cast with Trump holding roughly the same lead for people planning on voting election day. Curious to see if the final effort of Biden ad buys in the traditionally more conservative DFW metroplex does anything.



I wonder if the covid outbreaks in Texas will affect voting.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14174 Posts
October 26 2020 18:29 GMT
#55725
On October 27 2020 00:01 Mohdoo wrote:
I really don’t like Biden spending time in Georgia. He needs to get his ass back to the Midwest and firm that up. Or spend that entire week in Pennsylvania. But not Georgia. He doesn’t need Georgia this just feels so dumb

It does reek of the same overconfidence of 2016 but I really wouldn't put it past democrats to just not give a shit about the midwest. They've lurched so far away from the Farmer-Labor Blocs that made it such a stronghold that I doubt they even think of doing anything for unions if they win.
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Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
October 26 2020 18:37 GMT
#55726
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
October 26 2020 18:38 GMT
#55727
Nate Silver (538) noted yesterday that they would have had it as a tossup if not for how restrictive Texas voting regulations are.



Obviously, it's 32/68 instead of 38/62 due to the new polls.
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
October 26 2020 18:49 GMT
#55728
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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8152 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-26 19:00:33
October 26 2020 18:57 GMT
#55729
On October 27 2020 01:50 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2020 01:32 Mohdoo wrote:
On October 27 2020 00:46 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 27 2020 00:01 Mohdoo wrote:
I really don’t like Biden spending time in Georgia. He needs to get his ass back to the Midwest and firm that up. Or spend that entire week in Pennsylvania. But not Georgia. He doesn’t need Georgia this just feels so dumb

I might be wrong but I think Georgia is super important for the control of the senate, so Biden might be killing two birds with one stone.

Biden had a super ambitious agenda when it comes to topic like the environment. It's not really worth being elected if the republican are going to stonewall the hell out of everything. And they will, given the chance.

I just can't help but feel like step 1 of being president needs to be at 120% before doing things like this


I am not certain about that. The republican controlled senate has been horrific for the last decade or so. It is basically what enabled McConnell to do all the bullshit obstructionism in the first place.

I think the senate might be more important than the presidency. A democrat president with a McConnell majority republican senate will not do anything. We have seen how bad that situation is during six out of 8 of the years of Obamas presidency.

I mean, consider for example the 2 trillion dollars plan Biden is laying for the environment; that's going to require A LOT of political capital and extremely hard fights to pass. Think ACA level of effort. I don't see that even starting to happen with a republican senate.

Obama managed to pass two huge pieces of legislations, the ACA and the economic recovery bill when he got elected and before the 2010 elections. Biden has no chance to pass reforms of this magnitude without a maximal support from the congress at the beginning of his mandate.

So again, campaigning in Georgia is certainly calculated. He need those senators or he will just be remembered as the guy who got us rid of Trump (already an achievement but that's really not enough).
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32754 Posts
October 26 2020 19:03 GMT
#55730
I'd venture to guess the Biden campaign's internal data is pointing to a fairly safe Midwest to take this Sun Belt detour, despite smelling of Hillary-esque hubris. As of now, most of the Midwest appears safe enough for Democrats with average state polling generally crossing the 50% mark in a 5-7 point lead coupled with fewer undecideds and third parties to throw off numbers, with the exception of Ohio. Biden hasn't been slouching in the Midwest as far as visits go either. Biden's visited Pennsylvania 13 times, Michigan 6 times, Ohio 5 times, Wisconsin 3 times and Minnesota once. Trump has big visit leads in Wisconsin (7-3) and Minnesota (4-1), but I haven't seen a correlation with Trump visits and a collapse in Democratic support.

https://www.politico.com/2020-election/swing-states-2020-senate-races-to-watch-polls-map-and-list/

I think they can afford one visit to a close swing state to shore up some last minute support and then make a return to the Midwest for the final stretch. Not like they're angling hard for Texas or South Carolina with the overconfidence of Hillary, who got complacent over the Midwest despite some very unsteady numbers.
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Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7190 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-26 19:21:17
October 26 2020 19:20 GMT
#55731
I wonder how this is meant to convince americans to vote for him.

asdasdasd

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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-26 19:34:16
October 26 2020 19:33 GMT
#55732
On October 27 2020 01:50 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2020 01:32 Mohdoo wrote:
On October 27 2020 00:46 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On October 27 2020 00:01 Mohdoo wrote:
I really don’t like Biden spending time in Georgia. He needs to get his ass back to the Midwest and firm that up. Or spend that entire week in Pennsylvania. But not Georgia. He doesn’t need Georgia this just feels so dumb

I might be wrong but I think Georgia is super important for the control of the senate, so Biden might be killing two birds with one stone.

Biden had a super ambitious agenda when it comes to topic like the environment. It's not really worth being elected if the republican are going to stonewall the hell out of everything. And they will, given the chance.

I just can't help but feel like step 1 of being president needs to be at 120% before doing things like this


I am not certain about that. The republican controlled senate has been horrific for the last decade or so. It is basically what enabled McConnell to do all the bullshit obstructionism in the first place.

I think the senate might be more important than the presidency. A democrat president with a McConnell majority republican senate will not do anything. We have seen how bad that situation is during six out of 8 of the years of Obamas presidency.


Controlling the house, senate, and presidency is key. Democrats are able to obstruct legislation with just the house. Then you get into big tent issues like 2017 where even controlling all three doesn't end Obamacare.
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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8152 Posts
October 26 2020 19:37 GMT
#55733
On October 27 2020 04:20 Luolis wrote:
I wonder how this is meant to convince americans to vote for him.

asdasdasd

Hey look!! Sauron, Darth Vador, Voldemort and Skynet all cheer for me! Isn't it wonderful?
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
October 26 2020 20:01 GMT
#55734
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Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
October 26 2020 20:22 GMT
#55735
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4433 Posts
October 26 2020 21:50 GMT
#55736
On October 27 2020 02:29 plasmidghost wrote:
Couple of polls from YouGov and the NYT have Trump with a 4-5pt lead in Texas, which is dampening my expectations of us to go blue but it is interesting to look at them and see that Biden holds a significant lead (59-39) in early votes cast with Trump holding roughly the same lead for people planning on voting election day. Curious to see if the final effort of Biden ad buys in the traditionally more conservative DFW metroplex does anything.

https://twitter.com/TXElects/status/1320774300123672577

Seems unlikely considering Bidens comments on the oil industry.
I'd say Trump wins Texas by 5-7%
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-26 22:20:19
October 26 2020 22:19 GMT
#55737
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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10935 Posts
October 26 2020 22:59 GMT
#55738
haha

you answerded to nettles.
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-26 23:01:23
October 26 2020 23:01 GMT
#55739
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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10935 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-26 23:04:34
October 26 2020 23:03 GMT
#55740
If you get an answer from nettles. With substance. I will enjoy a 2 week ban.


He's like a... right wing media bot that posts every 2-3 days. People tend to fall for him. In reality he is most likely just a really sad person... But i give him the benefit of the doubt, so he is a bot.
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