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Northern Ireland26779 Posts
On September 12 2020 08:17 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2020 07:39 Wombat_NI_NJAMASTER wrote:
What? There’s a drug that can make you lucid and competent despite dementia? Wow shame it’s not well-known about, I could imagine it having quite a fucking market! Real science is a lie from the deep state. Science we don't know anything about or can't read about that Trump knows about for reasons is real. This is how he knows the cures for a hoax viruses that is also 5 times more deadly than the flu and that Biden has dementia but also a cure for it, that only works at certain times. It is the 4d chess that Trump plays and us not being on that level does let understand the amazing feats one like him can accomplish. He is a very stable genius, he told us himself! And he recently passes a very VERY difficult cognitive test that his doctor didn't think he was going to be able to do.
Typical arrogant and dismissive views of the avatar of Real AmericaTM, and from a stinkin’ foreigner no less!
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On September 12 2020 07:29 Nouar wrote:
In OTHER news, one of Durham's top aide resigned, possibly in part to complain about political pressure from Barr to deliver a result on an unfinished investigation, before the election. Barr oh Barr, how unsurprising of you.
Biden has all put pledged to shut the probe down if he's president, so why shouldn't Barr put a deadline on them? Also, Biden surely isn't implicated in anything Durham is looking into, so it doesn't pose any inherent danger to the election for the Durham report to be released. It's a report about 2016, not 2020; what's the effect on the 2020 election?
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If Burr's pressure was "before January 21st 2021", then that would be very different from "Before election day". One is taking into account that Biden would shut it down, the other moves the investigation into being nakedly open as only for political purposes. The Durham aide who resigned was famously non partisan, so it's being viewed as a massive deal. IE, the hypothetical October surprise is likely something to come from there. I expect it'll go over about as well as one of Nunes' wet farts of reports, though. The FBI is a famously GOP institution, so it's weird for Barr to try to pretend that they were acting as they were with the goal of helping democrats.
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On September 12 2020 09:54 JimmiC wrote:The Russian spy connections to Trump anf people close to him continues. The US has sanctioned Derkach who was helping Giuliani discredit Biden during the impeachment. Giuliani has now officially worked with a official Russian agent, but while he worked with him while it was known it was not official. https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/10/politics/treasury-sanctions-derkach-ukraine-election-interference/index.htmlMy presumption is if Biden wins we find out that the Flynn, Stone didn't do anything wrong narrative is not the case and others associated with Trump and possibly Trump have new charges. Just putting it down now for future "called its".
Certainly was v stupid for giuliani to be cavorting with that guy. Doesn't really establish a case for russian collusion or leverage though. Recall that the steele dossier, which was enthusiastically hyped for multiple years by the left (and formed a sizable part of the case against trumps campaign), consisted of Russian disinformation. It appears that the russians are fairly good at what they do.
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Northern Ireland26779 Posts
It’s almost beyond ridiculous to hear American liberals complaining about foreign interference in elections really.
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Why's that? Most of their foreign interventions have been by neo-conservatives. That's almost the defining trait of neo-cons vs traditional cons.
EDIT: Or do you mean liberal in the classical liberal sense?
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Liberals as in the American slightly left of centre variety, their piousness on Russia buying a few Facebook ads is beyond silly, I mean we’re 4 years on and they’re still beating that drum. Oh noes! Not like the US ever interferes or literally invades countries or anything
As unpalatable as it is to me personally maybe Trump just has a message a lot of people like? Maybe people are fucking idiots or maybe commercialising basically all mainstream news sees the dregs prosper?
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On September 12 2020 10:54 WarSame wrote:
Why's that? Most of their foreign interventions have been by neo-conservatives. That's almost the defining trait of neo-cons vs traditional cons.
EDIT: Or do you mean liberal in the classical liberal sense?
Obama had plenty as did Clinton and Kennedy. Carter (Iran) is the closest we've come in our ~lifetimes to someone reasonably reluctant to use military interventionism (beyond what he inherited).
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On September 12 2020 11:58 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2020 10:54 WarSame wrote:
Why's that? Most of their foreign interventions have been by neo-conservatives. That's almost the defining trait of neo-cons vs traditional cons.
EDIT: Or do you mean liberal in the classical liberal sense? Obama had plenty as did Clinton and Kennedy. Carter (Iran) is the closest we've come in our ~lifetimes to someone reasonably reluctant to use military interventionism (beyond what he inherited).
Honestly I'm not that aware of what happened under any of those. Here's the ones I'm aware of:
Kennedy / LBJ - Cuba, greatly increased presence in Siam
Clinton - Yugoslavian split UN action
Obama - Libya, Ukraine, possibly a lot of the Arab Spring(?)
Please let me know of others, because I've been reading a fair bit about the anti-socialist interventions of the neo-cons but have not read a ton about the others, partly because they have tended to be more practical and less ideologically driven, and therefore less interesting to me to read about.
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Seems like plenty to me, But Clinton invaded Haiti (that wasn't the fuck up there, though it was reversing the previous Bush-CIA orchestrated coup there), Kennedy founded the military alliance between the US and Israel and told the CIA to coordinate a coup with the Iraqi Ba'ath Party (formerly headed by Saddam Hussein), and Obama dropped over 26,000 combined bombs on 7 different countries in his last year as president to add a few.
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On September 12 2020 11:14 WombaT wrote:
Liberals as in the American slightly left of centre variety, their piousness on Russia buying a few Facebook ads is beyond silly, I mean we’re 4 years on and they’re still beating that drum. Oh noes! Not like the US ever interferes or literally invades countries or anything
As unpalatable as it is to me personally maybe Trump just has a message a lot of people like? Maybe people are fucking idiots or maybe commercialising basically all mainstream news sees the dregs prosper?
The problem is really not about Russia helping the Trump campaign. Russia is a geopolitical foe, and of course they try to fuck the US up. The problem is with the Trump campaign accepting and welcoming that help and then about Trump more than complacent attitude towards Russia.
If you can't see the difference, yeah, it must seem stupid.
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HHS and Caputo (who has no relevant background, but is assisted by Alexander, who looks like an asshole and crony looking at the emails) have been increasingly interfering, modifying or blocking cdc reports on covid because it would "contradict the positive messaging of the administration pushed by the president"
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/11/exclusive-trump-officials-interfered-with-cdc-reports-on-covid-19-412809
I can't be surprised anymore, but I'd love for some people to go to jail for purposefully endangering lives by pushing false narratives for political purposes. It's nefarious.
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On September 12 2020 16:37 Nouar wrote:HHS and Caputo (who has no relevant background, but is assisted by Alexander, who looks like an asshole and crony looking at the emails) have been increasingly interfering, modifying or blocking cdc reports on covid because it would "contradict the positive messaging of the administration pushed by the president" https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/11/exclusive-trump-officials-interfered-with-cdc-reports-on-covid-19-412809I can't be surprised anymore, but I'd love for some people to go to jail for purposefully endangering lives by pushing false narratives for political purposes. It's nefarious.
Would certainly be nice, of course a homeless person caught shoplifting is far more likely to end up in jail than anyone caught red handed doing such obviously heinous stuff, or tanking the world economy in 2008, dodging taxes or what have you, a President’s totally legit university defrauding people etc etc...
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On September 12 2020 17:37 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2020 16:37 Nouar wrote:HHS and Caputo (who has no relevant background, but is assisted by Alexander, who looks like an asshole and crony looking at the emails) have been increasingly interfering, modifying or blocking cdc reports on covid because it would "contradict the positive messaging of the administration pushed by the president" https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/11/exclusive-trump-officials-interfered-with-cdc-reports-on-covid-19-412809I can't be surprised anymore, but I'd love for some people to go to jail for purposefully endangering lives by pushing false narratives for political purposes. It's nefarious. Would certainly be nice, of course a homeless person caught shoplifting is far more likely to end up in jail than anyone caught red handed doing such obviously heinous stuff, or tanking the world economy in 2008, dodging taxes or what have you, a President’s totally legit university defrauding people etc etc...
Agreed. For white collar/corporate crimes in general, even when caught it's mostly fines, and that is not a deterrent to them. Time served would be a better lesson.
But swindling is something, risking lives for votes is far worse.
Among the near 200k covid deaths, at least a few thousands would have been saved for sure if people had protected themselves more thoroughly after advice from their own government instead of lies.
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His brother, Fred junior, served in the ANG.
But yeah, him playing Fortunate Son either means he's stupid, or he's a winner because hes a fortunate son.
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