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On August 23 2020 16:57 Doublemint wrote:
Well, in a dispute with you I have none. Your standpoint is set.
If there was something new (the report was from March 2019), or significant I might get citing it as an example of "expert" and "unprecedented" weaponization of existing tensions but what you cited is remarkably insignificant and rudimentary.
As was pointed out, what's significant are the conditions which make the US so susceptible (many problems persisting from when the USSR was identifying them funnily enough).
The significance of a Russian troll tweeting+ Show Spoiler + “Trump is Putin’s agent.” or “Daily reminder that the most educated First Lady in American history is a black woman with two Ivy League degrees from Harvard and Princeton.” or “Criticizing Trump in a book is just unfair. It’s like criticizing the Amish on television.”
As LL said: ... it might be more expedient to blame the foreign devil for tipping the scales a little bit, they didn't create the underlying situation that made this mess possible in the first place.
That was a bipartisan multi-generational effort in direct conflict with a politically marginalized segment of the population. An effort coincidentally championed in part by the current Democratic nominee.
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On August 23 2020 17:58 pmh wrote:
Russia doesnt even have 1/100 th of the power the usa has when it comes to influencing public opinion on the usa. The whole notion that russia has this power and influence is laughable.
The influencing and controlling of public opinion in the usa,it comes from interest groups within the usa itself. (and the same goes,to a smaller extend,for europe).
I think the main point here is that it is undesirable that Russia has *any* influence. And given that the elections were won by razor thin margins (under 1% in quite a few states), 1/100 of the influence of US interests could swing an election!
Not that I'm arguing the elections were somehow stolen by Russia, but GH objects to anybody mentioning they had *any* influence, and is quick to whatabout to Americans influencing elections abroad to a far greater extent than the Russians influenced the American ones. That latter point is almost entirely irrelevant.
And, btw, Western intelligence services were trailing behind in tracking down cyber threats until quite recently (and maybe still are). Whether that is Russian troll farms running propaganda campaigns or ISIS recruiting online, I know that at least in the Netherlands there was a scathing report (recently... 2018 or 2019) on how bad we were at detecting it was even happening, let alone tracking and stopping it. Whether that same report can be applied to the US, I don't know. The US may very well be *much* better at cyber security than the Netherlands... or mabye they are trailing just as far behind the facts: I don't know.
This report puts the US at 5th: https://www.nextgov.com/cybersecurity/2019/02/which-country-has-best-cybersecurity-it-isnt-us/154794/
But it also has the Netherlands in the top 10, whereas the Netherlands' own report is scathing about how unprepared everything (from intelligence services to infrastructure security to businesses) is.
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GH objects to anybody mentioning they had *any* influence
Just have to point out that clearly isn't the case or the argument I made at all. I expect you to at least start with an accurate premise. Clearly it (mostly the US media coverage of it really) had a huge influence on liberals/Democrats.
EDIT: So much so Democrats literally tried to imitate it in Alabama by creating a false flag operation to bait more people into believing a Republican was being supported by Russians.
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On August 23 2020 02:16 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2020 02:04 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Can someone describe to me what this QAnon business is? News articles seem to be skirting around describing what exactly is the conspiracy Qanon proscribes to. Somebody on 4Chan started calling themselves "Q", saying they're an insider of the glorious Trump administration and is leaking the "truth" about the glorious leader and his war against the "Deep State". It has classics like Pizzagate, Hillary being a "shadow president", and Trump isn't actually friends with Epstein and involved with his child sex trafficing ring but only pretendeds so he can help bring it down.
Thanks. So it is they who are the source of pizzagate. And are a rumourmill for those type of conspiracies. It's strange that the media find it hard to describe it as such.
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I think it might just be that it is so absurd.
Some crazy person on the internet says crazy conspiracy bullshit, and for inexplicable reasons a lot of people take them seriously, and it somehow ends up relevant and in the mainstream.
To me, this sounds as if we were suddenly discussing the relevance of timecube to US politics. How should we react to educated stupid people ignoring three of the four simultaneous days?
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On August 23 2020 20:42 Simberto wrote:
I think it might just be that it is so absurd.
Some crazy person on the internet says crazy conspiracy bullshit, and for inexplicable reasons a lot of people take them seriously, and it somehow ends up relevant and in the mainstream.
To me, this sounds as if we were suddenly discussing the relevance of timecube to US politics. How should we react to educated stupid people ignoring three of the four simultaneous days?
It's sorta double edged.
I mean there was/is the whole Epstein/Ghislaine sex trafficking minors for rich and powerful people with an unclear number of people implicated (without conclusive evidence of their impropriety beyond association/visiting the island) and his questionable death.
afaik "Q" stuff has a lot of other nonsense attached but the "secret child sex trafficking ring for rich and powerful people exists" part was pretty dead on.
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There is nothing double edged really. That in this diarrhea of lies, conspiracy theories and lunacies, one of the item happens to resemble a real life event doesn't change the nature of the diarrhea.
Plus you don't need to have a completely paranoid worldview to assume that, yeah, some rich and powerful people are probably sex maniacs, and using their money and influence to indulge their twisted fantasies.
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On August 23 2020 06:48 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2020 06:27 JimmiC wrote:On August 23 2020 06:17 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 23 2020 06:12 JimmiC wrote:On August 23 2020 06:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 23 2020 03:39 Doublemint wrote:Absolutely correct, the ugliness was always there. Weaponizing it this expertly by abusing the freedoms granted though is unprecedented. And with social media the reach is near unlimited.
The actual beauty of it is how they made it seem so organic. IIRC I also posted about it in the past with a fascinating WaPo article. //edit: Russian trolls can be surprisingly subtle, and often fun to read Oh god, we're back to how masterful the Bernie coloring book,Trump vs Satan ads, and pointing out 1+1 = 2 were... Do people think Russia is exponentially better at influencing elections/kindling divisions and stuff than the NSA/CIA/etc or what? I do not, probably very similar. Do you not think the US has influenced other countries elections? That would be pathetic given their relative size, budgets, and available tech. Of course they have. They've openly admitted to it several times. Up to and including helping to forcibly remove democratically elected leaders (you can think of Chile specifically) So what point are you making? If anything you are saying how careful the US needs to be. If anyone knows what is possible it is them. Social media, and the internet in general really evened the playing field. Why is the US so vulnerable to Russian interference and yet seemingly impervious to relative European norms in terms of influence and not exactly a huge fan of China all round? Careful of what? The world’s superpower in waiting apparently can’t wield this influence, a relatively joined up European bloc can’t but Russia can?
The only possible way for Russia to influence the US election, was because US citizens themselves weren't sure for who to vote in Trump vs Clinton as both candidates didn't seem very popular. I doubt any external power could have a major influence on this year's election. After what Trump has and hasn't done this past 4 years, americans would either vote for him like it's their religion or avoid him like the plague.
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On August 23 2020 02:57 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2020 00:52 Doodsmack wrote:On August 22 2020 14:51 Doublemint wrote:During a global pandemic that is still ravaging too many places in the US it is rather prudent to have the choice to vote by mail. It's easy, it's safe - don't forget that a huge portion of the electorate is boomer material and/or not in the best shape, two factors not in your favor in case you get infected( BBC) Data says its pretty damn secure as well. ReutersIncidentally NOW seems to be the perfect time to make sweeping changes( among "other cuts" - removing 671 sorting machines, roughly 10 percent of the inventory via @ Fox) to the institution crucial to delivering the ballots safely so they can be checked and counted. Months ahead of of the election. And with everything else going on like around a thousand people dying EVERY SINGLE DAY in the US due to the virus( Covidtracker), an economy in the tank, RECORD unemployment, and if there won't be any deal reached for another stimulus round in the near future in Congress I would imagine actual social unrest and chaos... THIS seems to be the priority. Oh and then there is this person in the oval office that's about as helpful in a crisis as gout. Shitposting from the sidelines about imaginary voter fraud and an impending election chaos one can't help but notice he not only appears to be warning about, but actually being involved in making it a reality. ( Fox) Thanks for the sources. I'm hesitant to assume a nefarious conspiracy based on general distrust of Trump, when it might still be the case that the USPS is capable of operating at full capacity even with less mail sorting machines. It has the smell of being another media-driven story, in line with Russian collusion and Russian bounties. No problem. A healthy portion of scepticism is totally warranted when consuming media sources, though your two examples are anything but "just media driven", there's some meat on them bones. I would for example just read the first 10 or so pages of the recent Senate intelligence report(beware, 1000 pages and for a pdf rather big file.) The willingness was there, the contacts on a lot of levels. Even exchange of information and timings of when to release which hacked docs. That it did not rise to the required level of the legal definition (debatable even) is in light of this kinda beside the point. I am not trying to say Trump won because Russia Russia, that's another point entirely and one I have no interest in discussing any further as it is history now. We should learn from that precedent and how to react rather. I am just wondering what they have got in store this election season, what kind of deep fakes? How will the (social) media channels react to it, the voters.
Just because they found Stone and Manafort doing some shady things once they started digging around doesn't mean there was collusion, nor does it mean the investigation was justified. My issue is whether they had adequate suspicion at the outset to start snooping around (and I'm guessing the Senate investigation would have never taken the course it did if the FBI hadn't already been investigating the Trump campaign). And actually that's not even the only issue, because there's also the issue of stings and leaks to the media to build a false narrative.
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On August 24 2020 00:22 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2020 02:57 Doublemint wrote:On August 23 2020 00:52 Doodsmack wrote:On August 22 2020 14:51 Doublemint wrote:During a global pandemic that is still ravaging too many places in the US it is rather prudent to have the choice to vote by mail. It's easy, it's safe - don't forget that a huge portion of the electorate is boomer material and/or not in the best shape, two factors not in your favor in case you get infected( BBC) Data says its pretty damn secure as well. ReutersIncidentally NOW seems to be the perfect time to make sweeping changes( among "other cuts" - removing 671 sorting machines, roughly 10 percent of the inventory via @ Fox) to the institution crucial to delivering the ballots safely so they can be checked and counted. Months ahead of of the election. And with everything else going on like around a thousand people dying EVERY SINGLE DAY in the US due to the virus( Covidtracker), an economy in the tank, RECORD unemployment, and if there won't be any deal reached for another stimulus round in the near future in Congress I would imagine actual social unrest and chaos... THIS seems to be the priority. Oh and then there is this person in the oval office that's about as helpful in a crisis as gout. Shitposting from the sidelines about imaginary voter fraud and an impending election chaos one can't help but notice he not only appears to be warning about, but actually being involved in making it a reality. ( Fox) Thanks for the sources. I'm hesitant to assume a nefarious conspiracy based on general distrust of Trump, when it might still be the case that the USPS is capable of operating at full capacity even with less mail sorting machines. It has the smell of being another media-driven story, in line with Russian collusion and Russian bounties. No problem. A healthy portion of scepticism is totally warranted when consuming media sources, though your two examples are anything but "just media driven", there's some meat on them bones. I would for example just read the first 10 or so pages of the recent Senate intelligence report(beware, 1000 pages and for a pdf rather big file.) The willingness was there, the contacts on a lot of levels. Even exchange of information and timings of when to release which hacked docs. That it did not rise to the required level of the legal definition (debatable even) is in light of this kinda beside the point. I am not trying to say Trump won because Russia Russia, that's another point entirely and one I have no interest in discussing any further as it is history now. We should learn from that precedent and how to react rather. I am just wondering what they have got in store this election season, what kind of deep fakes? How will the (social) media channels react to it, the voters. Just because they found Stone and Manafort doing some shady things once they started digging around doesn't mean there was collusion, nor does it mean the investigation was justified. My issue is whether they had adequate suspicion at the outset to start snooping around (and I'm guessing the Senate investigation would have never taken the course it did if the FBI hadn't already been investigating the Trump campaign). And actually that's not even the only issue, because there's also the issue of stings and leaks to the media to build a false narrative.
So your issue really is not the sheer amount of contacts and coordination between top campaign staff and Russian spies, it's that not enough to your knowledge was public to justify the investigation. But you are also complaining that there were leaks and some of that stuff went public.
So which is it ? An investigation based on things you should NOT have heard about is illegitimate ? Or stuff that got leaked to try to justify an investigation that was deemed as illegitimate because things were out of public view discredited it ? What exactly would have suited your tastes ?
And in the end it looks like you don't care about the results, only the process (which I agree is important, but to be clear, you will not and should not know what and how things exactly happen in counter-intelligence investigations, as it gives too many hints about the tools to foreign actors).
When you're finding smoke, you ARE looking for the fire.
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On August 23 2020 06:48 Wombat_NI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2020 06:27 JimmiC wrote:On August 23 2020 06:17 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 23 2020 06:12 JimmiC wrote:On August 23 2020 06:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 23 2020 03:39 Doublemint wrote:Absolutely correct, the ugliness was always there. Weaponizing it this expertly by abusing the freedoms granted though is unprecedented. And with social media the reach is near unlimited.
The actual beauty of it is how they made it seem so organic. IIRC I also posted about it in the past with a fascinating WaPo article. //edit: Russian trolls can be surprisingly subtle, and often fun to read Oh god, we're back to how masterful the Bernie coloring book,Trump vs Satan ads, and pointing out 1+1 = 2 were... Do people think Russia is exponentially better at influencing elections/kindling divisions and stuff than the NSA/CIA/etc or what? I do not, probably very similar. Do you not think the US has influenced other countries elections? That would be pathetic given their relative size, budgets, and available tech. Of course they have. They've openly admitted to it several times. Up to and including helping to forcibly remove democratically elected leaders (you can think of Chile specifically) So what point are you making? If anything you are saying how careful the US needs to be. If anyone knows what is possible it is them. Social media, and the internet in general really evened the playing field. Why is the US so vulnerable to Russian interference and yet seemingly impervious to relative European norms in terms of influence and not exactly a huge fan of China all round? Careful of what? The world’s superpower in waiting apparently can’t wield this influence, a relatively joined up European bloc can’t but Russia can?
Didn't several of the major intelligence leaks - the ones that sparked the larger scale investi-gate movement that got a lot of Trump's grifter friends in trouble - originate from "allied" nations in Europe? Whether or not you think that such an approach is justified, it certainly did have a significant influence on the course of the last few years while being of decidedly European origin.
So Europe certainly did have an influence, albeit in an uglier than desired way?
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On August 23 2020 20:25 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2020 02:16 Gahlo wrote:On August 23 2020 02:04 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Can someone describe to me what this QAnon business is? News articles seem to be skirting around describing what exactly is the conspiracy Qanon proscribes to. Somebody on 4Chan started calling themselves "Q", saying they're an insider of the glorious Trump administration and is leaking the "truth" about the glorious leader and his war against the "Deep State". It has classics like Pizzagate, Hillary being a "shadow president", and Trump isn't actually friends with Epstein and involved with his child sex trafficing ring but only pretendeds so he can help bring it down. Thanks. So it is they who are the source of pizzagate. And are a rumourmill for those type of conspiracies. It's strange that the media find it hard to describe it as such.
Qanon was after pizzagate I think. But yeah same tripe about the "deep state" out to get Trump, pedophile rings etc.
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On August 24 2020 00:22 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2020 02:57 Doublemint wrote:On August 23 2020 00:52 Doodsmack wrote:On August 22 2020 14:51 Doublemint wrote:During a global pandemic that is still ravaging too many places in the US it is rather prudent to have the choice to vote by mail. It's easy, it's safe - don't forget that a huge portion of the electorate is boomer material and/or not in the best shape, two factors not in your favor in case you get infected( BBC) Data says its pretty damn secure as well. ReutersIncidentally NOW seems to be the perfect time to make sweeping changes( among "other cuts" - removing 671 sorting machines, roughly 10 percent of the inventory via @ Fox) to the institution crucial to delivering the ballots safely so they can be checked and counted. Months ahead of of the election. And with everything else going on like around a thousand people dying EVERY SINGLE DAY in the US due to the virus( Covidtracker), an economy in the tank, RECORD unemployment, and if there won't be any deal reached for another stimulus round in the near future in Congress I would imagine actual social unrest and chaos... THIS seems to be the priority. Oh and then there is this person in the oval office that's about as helpful in a crisis as gout. Shitposting from the sidelines about imaginary voter fraud and an impending election chaos one can't help but notice he not only appears to be warning about, but actually being involved in making it a reality. ( Fox) Thanks for the sources. I'm hesitant to assume a nefarious conspiracy based on general distrust of Trump, when it might still be the case that the USPS is capable of operating at full capacity even with less mail sorting machines. It has the smell of being another media-driven story, in line with Russian collusion and Russian bounties. No problem. A healthy portion of scepticism is totally warranted when consuming media sources, though your two examples are anything but "just media driven", there's some meat on them bones. I would for example just read the first 10 or so pages of the recent Senate intelligence report(beware, 1000 pages and for a pdf rather big file.) The willingness was there, the contacts on a lot of levels. Even exchange of information and timings of when to release which hacked docs. That it did not rise to the required level of the legal definition (debatable even) is in light of this kinda beside the point. I am not trying to say Trump won because Russia Russia, that's another point entirely and one I have no interest in discussing any further as it is history now. We should learn from that precedent and how to react rather. I am just wondering what they have got in store this election season, what kind of deep fakes? How will the (social) media channels react to it, the voters. Just because they found Stone and Manafort doing some shady things once they started digging around doesn't mean there was collusion, nor does it mean the investigation was justified. My issue is whether they had adequate suspicion at the outset to start snooping around (and I'm guessing the Senate investigation would have never taken the course it did if the FBI hadn't already been investigating the Trump campaign). And actually that's not even the only issue, because there's also the issue of stings and leaks to the media to build a false narrative. Didn't allied intelligence agencies alert the US that they were catching suspicious communication between Russians surrounding Trump?
Sounds like reason enough for a look around to me.
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On August 23 2020 21:23 Biff The Understudy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +There is nothing double edged really. That in this diarrhea of lies, conspiracy theories and lunacies, one of the item happens to resemble a real life event doesn't change the nature of the diarrhea. Plus you don't need to have a completely paranoid worldview to assume that, yeah, some rich and powerful people are probably sex maniacs, and using their money and influence to indulge their twisted fantasies.
That description makes it sound like a weird fetish instead of the massive criminal child trafficking conspiracy implicating popular and powerful figures that have faced virtually 0 accountability and where the central figure died under questionable circumstances while in official custody.
"Q" largely seems like a way to avoid dealing with that by lumping in it with crazed conspiracies.
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On August 24 2020 06:16 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2020 05:51 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 23 2020 21:23 Biff The Understudy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +There is nothing double edged really. That in this diarrhea of lies, conspiracy theories and lunacies, one of the item happens to resemble a real life event doesn't change the nature of the diarrhea. Plus you don't need to have a completely paranoid worldview to assume that, yeah, some rich and powerful people are probably sex maniacs, and using their money and influence to indulge their twisted fantasies. That description makes it sound like a weird fetish instead of the massive criminal child trafficking conspiracy implicating popular and powerful figures that have faced virtually 0 accountability and where the central figure died under questionable circumstances while in official custody. "Q" largely seems like a way to avoid dealing with that by lumping in it with crazed conspiracies. You are doing that not him. + Show Spoiler +He is saying that Q is bullshit. They just made up there was a cabal and pedophiles in which they picked since they are generally considered the worst of the worst. That there is an actual rape ring centered around Maxwell and Epstien, does not make Q anymore true. First it was know of before and secondly the Epstien thing is not pedophiles it is ephebophiles. Linking things that are kinda related to believe some really stupid conspiracy is true is what makes the Russian and Chinese bots so effective. Because for some reason there is way too many Americans (and people in other western countries) that can not discern between and assumption and a fact. It is also no different that a physic going "something bad happened to you didn't it" and the person going "OMG they know me." If you believe in the Q bullshit even at all it is probably time for anyone who does to take a real hard look at what they believe and why. Because the answer is certainly not going to be because of facts. It is going to be because of prejudice, anger, unwillingness to take responsibility for the situation they are in, or something else. And counseling to figure out why would be a wise decision. And I'm not saying that to insult anyone who believes this but rather to help them turn their life around. In case people don't know the difference ephebophilia is being sexually attracted to late aged teens and pedophilia is much younger. With the big difference being that ephebophilia want people who have just been through Puberty and pedophilia are people into kids before they hit puberty. And no I am not saying one is OK for all those that like to go super negative about me. I'm just pointing out that they are actually different things. TLDR QAnnon got nothing right and is completely full of shit. If you think otherwise please seek professional help. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephebophilia
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Q is a lot crazier than you guys seem to think it is.
It's considerably less sane than pizza gate, which started off of the premise GH is referring to and failed to account for basic facts (cheese pizza means cheese pizza to everyone but pedophiles on 4chan, and that pizza place in question didn't even have a basement, which was where all acts were alleged to have taken place).
Q is a series of batshit insane predictions/conspiracies that are posted anonymously (anyone can claim to be Q (sort of, there's a code they use to identify themselves but it HAS changed a few times)), are always proven wrong, and that once proven wrong, have insane levels of post-hoc justification applied to prove that whatever happened was what they 'really' meant.
It's not just "child molestation", it's "pedophile's having satanic orgies where they sacrifice children to baphomet so hillary can resume her rule the earth (which has only existed for 6000 years and is flat, and on a space elevator constantly going up, which is where gravity comes from), and Trump is going to throw all of the deepstate in prison on the first of ".
Now they're not all flat-earthers, but there's a large overlap between Qanons, flat-earthers, and religious zealots/creationists. So you know, lunatics, in conventonial parlance. These are the people standing on a street corner shouting the world is ending, but now they have twitter and can talk to each other.
Here's the actual definition from wiki, in case you think I'm making it up:
there is a worldwide cabal of Satan-worshiping pedophiles who rule the world, essentially, and they control everything. They control politicians, and they control the media. They control Hollywood, and they cover up their existence, essentially. And they would have continued ruling the world, were it not for the election of President Donald Trump. Now, Donald Trump in this conspiracy theory knows all about this evil cabal's wrongdoing. But one of the reasons that Donald Trump was elected was to put an end to them, basically. And now we would be ignorant of this behind-the-scenes battle of Donald Trump and the U.S. military—that everyone backs him and the evil cabal—were it not for "Q." And what "Q" is is basically a poster on 4chan, who later moved to 8chan, who reveals details about this secret behind-the-scenes battle, and also secrets about what the cabal is doing and also the mass sort of upcoming arrest events through these posts.[29]
Followers of QAnon also believe that there is an imminent event known as "The Storm", in which thousands of people, members of the cabal, will be arrested, possibly sent to Guantanamo Bay prison or to face military tribunals, and the U.S. military will brutally take over the country.[29] The result of The Storm will be salvation and utopia on earth.[38]
If you want a longer story, https://www.salon.com/2019/08/18/qanon-is-the-conspiracy-theory-that-wont-die-heres-what-they-believe-and-why-theyre-wrong/ was the source of the quote.
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On August 24 2020 05:51 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2020 21:23 Biff The Understudy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +There is nothing double edged really. That in this diarrhea of lies, conspiracy theories and lunacies, one of the item happens to resemble a real life event doesn't change the nature of the diarrhea. Plus you don't need to have a completely paranoid worldview to assume that, yeah, some rich and powerful people are probably sex maniacs, and using their money and influence to indulge their twisted fantasies. That description makes it sound like a weird fetish instead of the massive criminal child trafficking conspiracy implicating popular and powerful figures that have faced virtually 0 accountability and where the central figure died under questionable circumstances while in official custody. "Q" largely seems like a way to avoid dealing with that by lumping in it with crazed conspiracies.
You are incredibly stupid if you believe something that comes out of 4chan. There's nothing more to say about Q that wasn't already described by the term "diarrhea".
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On August 24 2020 06:35 Erasme wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2020 05:51 GreenHorizons wrote:On August 23 2020 21:23 Biff The Understudy wrote:+ Show Spoiler +There is nothing double edged really. That in this diarrhea of lies, conspiracy theories and lunacies, one of the item happens to resemble a real life event doesn't change the nature of the diarrhea. Plus you don't need to have a completely paranoid worldview to assume that, yeah, some rich and powerful people are probably sex maniacs, and using their money and influence to indulge their twisted fantasies. That description makes it sound like a weird fetish instead of the massive criminal child trafficking conspiracy implicating popular and powerful figures that have faced virtually 0 accountability and where the central figure died under questionable circumstances while in official custody. "Q" largely seems like a way to avoid dealing with that by lumping it in with crazed conspiracies. You are incredibly stupid if you believe something that comes out of 4chan. There's nothing more to say about Q that wasn't already described by the term "diarrhea".
The "it" there is referring to the very real child sex trafficking ring run by Epstein being lumped in with 4chan conspiracies.
Just as an example, if you read a tweet that said: Clinton and a lot of other politicians, celebrities, and wealthy people are implicated in a child sex trafficking ring The ambiguity between whether they are referencing Epstein or 4chan diarrhea is a win for anyone implicated in the former.
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