US Politics Mega-thread - Page 2576

On August 24 2020 11:32 Zambrah wrote:
Theyre not doing it to be mean, theyre doing it because there are no other options to vote for and the people we have to vote for know that we dont have options so they can basically wiggle around doing anything but sucking corporate teat while pretending to care about voters.

I'm not interested in convincing the unconvincable. A lot of these people frankly either AGREE already (like a lot of the policy that is overwhelmingly popular if polled on but never gets acted on because regardless of whether or not its popular people are convinced they dont want they thing they want when asked if they want it) or they DONT AGREE and are just going to be engaged with, go "God, the progressive types are so obnoxious always complaining about human rights abuses, they really turn me off from supporting them," as if someone like that was ever going to support progressivism.

The idea that the Market Place of Ideas exists as a useful tool when it comes to our system of government is basically dead imo. The only Market Place of anything that holds sway over our politicians is the literal Market Place that throws money at them. Discourse doesn't solve a two party system where neither party gives a shit. Worst case scenario one side loses, nothing changes, they continue making their gross amount of money, cycle repeats, nothing improves except the bank accounts of some jackass politicians.

Also Im not familiar with what a safe consumption site is, but in general I don't believe progressive policies will always work 100% of the time and in every scenario the first time, trial and error will have to be done to build along what we know works in other parts of the world, but that people believe shit has to be 100% perfect the first time around is so asinine. I swear for a country so obsessed with Bootstraps you'd think we had it within our collective conscious to acknowledge that sometimes you have to WORK at things to make them better.

On August 24 2020 20:37 Liquid`Drone wrote:
What's screwed up about her? Her rebelling against her parents is a testament to her quality (and consequently, most likely also to their parenting, even if this is a paradox) far more than her being an obedient quiet child would be.

On August 24 2020 21:18 Biff The Understudy wrote:

Judging by her twitter feed, she seems very articulate and clear about what she has to say about her parents.

I think a kid can turn smart and resourceful even with shitty parenting, though. She is mentioning years of abuse, that doesn't sound like quality parenting.

On August 24 2020 01:38 Nouar wrote:


So your issue really is not the sheer amount of contacts and coordination between top campaign staff and Russian spies, it's that not enough to your knowledge was public to justify the investigation. But you are also complaining that there were leaks and some of that stuff went public.

So which is it ? An investigation based on things you should NOT have heard about is illegitimate ? Or stuff that got leaked to try to justify an investigation that was deemed as illegitimate because things were out of public view discredited it ? What exactly would have suited your tastes ?

And in the end it looks like you don't care about the results, only the process (which I agree is important, but to be clear, you will not and should not know what and how things exactly happen in counter-intelligence investigations, as it gives too many hints about the tools to foreign actors).

When you're finding smoke, you ARE looking for the fire.

On August 24 2020 20:37 Liquid`Drone wrote:
What's screwed up about her? Her rebelling against her parents is a testament to her quality (and consequently, most likely also to their parenting, even if this is a paradox) far more than her being an obedient quiet child would be.

On August 26 2020 03:16 Starlightsun wrote:


Maybe screwed up was bad choice of words. I've been exasperated by her parents' antics for so long that I assumed her 'roasting her mom on twitter' and calling for emancipation was a reality TV kind of stunt rather than a genuine plea for help. Anyway sorry to shit up this thread with my negativity. Don't know if it's that or Danglars getting himself banned that has suddenly silenced it. Watched the speeches by Eric Trump and Tim Scott yesterday and found them so bizarre. Apparently "the leftists" are trying to start a "cultural revolution" (shout out to Mao), and usher in a "socialist utopia".

On August 26 2020 05:39 Nevuk wrote:

Well, it was serious enough that her parents dropped their jobs ASAP. Claims of physical abuse by her mother and neglect by her father.

She's a bit dramatic, but very reasonable for a 15 year old in public view, especially if her claims are true. Stating that her mother's job ruined her life is possibly accurate, but only makes sense from the POV of a 15 year old - Trump isn't exactly popular among the <20 crowd.

She did note that she found out her mother was resigning via twitter, not via her father/mother.

There's also not that much politically 'controversial' (ie, actually debatable) news atm. The DNC having republicans on was the closest thing to one of those in the past two weeks. Steve Bannon and the NRA getting into legal issues for scamming republicans isn't something that anyone on this board is going to defend (was the NRA thing motivated by NY politics? Possibly, but they undeniably scammed many republicans).
The only controversy about the USPS is whether Trump is purposefully sabotaging it to help his election chances, or just sabotaging it to privatize the post office. No one is defending it as justifiable so far, only than some appeals to the USPS not making enough money - which, if it were the problem, would not explain why mail sorting machines were being removed, which LOWER costs considerably.

Noting "Dejoy got the shit kicked out of him again so bad that he may have just admitted to a federal crime" about the house hearing 100x isn't very interesting.

The RNC being a Trump fluff fest and nothing else was pretty expected, and not really news. I think they may regret tying their party SO hard to Trump, but I'm not sure Trump would've let them get away with not doing it.

The only big undiscussed news is the unarmed shooting of another black man in the back in Kenosha, WI

Warning : Graphic. The police here don't have bodycams, and it was filmed by a civilian.

By all accounts guy was trying to break up a fight between two women, and is now paralyzed from the waist down. Sadly, he's luckier than most of the people in this situation.
+ Show Spoiler +
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/jacob-blake-is-paralyzed-from-the-waist-down-after-being-shot-in-the-back-seven-times-by-police/

On August 26 2020 07:30 GreenHorizons wrote:


Jacob Blake shooting and ensuing uprising is a pretty big deal. If you're a Republican you probably don't believe that Biden is the one that wants to increase police funding and Trump to defund them, if you're a centrist you like that rhetoric, if you're a Democrat you lament but accept it.

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1296990473186234369

I'm 100% not voting for a cop this election...Democrats have got to be kidding me with this.

On August 26 2020 07:45 Sbrubbles wrote:


Haven't you established that due to where you live your vote doesn't matter? You might as well vote Trump to show those centrist dems they have to change their ways.

On August 26 2020 07:32 Liquid`Drone wrote:
That Jacob Blake shooting is such wtf. like I can get that 'he's going to his car to get his gun gotta stop him immediately' might be a thought, even if that is a stretch, but 7 times?

On August 26 2020 07:53 GreenHorizons wrote:


That's true. But no, I'm not voting for the deplorable human trash picked as the nominees by either party. Just pathetic that Democrats really nominated a cop and a friend to segregationists in this moment.

In somewhat related news California is burning and short of convict labor (firefighters) due to the rampant spread of covid at US prisons. Several around the country have seen upwards of 70%+ of inmates infected.

The shootings of innocent afro american people are appaling indeed and people should stand up against that. But they should realize it is a symptom.

Their actions,political points of vieuw,ideas for possible solutions should make the situation better,they should take into account the human factor and they should realize the current path will only further polarize the nation and by that reinforce the status quo. Because when faced with a choice between the extremes that are now present in the usa,most people will make the choice against them. Not because its fair,but because thats how human nature works.

On August 26 2020 08:50 Erasme wrote:

Nice that you don't try to make the hard decision of voting for the better person and instead leave it to the rest of the people. Your elections are awful partly because there's not enough people voting, so they have to cozy up to the people who will. On the republican side it looks like QAnon supporters will do anything to vote.

On August 26 2020 08:34 pmh wrote:
There was a documentary on tv here tonight which was interesting "capital in the 21st century"
Amongst other things it argues that racism and racial tensions are one of the symptoms of the increasing economic struggles of the lower and middle class and the growing inequality.
It was argued pretty convincingly and i think this is very much correct.The best way to fight racism is to fight this growing inequality.

On August 26 2020 08:38 Trainrunnef wrote:


Cops don't shoot to detain or immobilize they shoot to end the threat. Not uncommon to hear of them shitting until the clip is empty. Makes sense from a logical perspective when you're actually in a life threatening situation, but cops don't know too well how to determine they are in one so they shoot first ask questions later. Not sure why he didn't tackle the guy before he pulled the trigger if he was that concerned.

On August 26 2020 08:54 Sbrubbles wrote:


I'm curious, do they make the argument that racism is increasing in the US in the same time frame that inequality is getting worse (from the 70's on)? I understood that racism in the US was bad, but assumed it was constantly bad (if one can put a number on such a thing), not worsening bad.

On August 26 2020 08:54 Sbrubbles wrote:


I'm curious, do they make the argument that racism is increasing in the US in the same time frame that inequality is getting worse (from the 70's on)? I understood that racism in the US was bad, but assumed it was constantly bad (if one can measure such a thing), not worsening bad.