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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
August 18 2020 06:35 GMT
#51261
Snoozer of a DNC opening day. Virtual convention. Pre-taped speeches, some allegedly from before Kamala was announced.

A strange woman claiming her dead dad's only precondition was trusting Donald Trump. I don't really think the political gain from the lady giving Trump the middle finger on her dad's grave is a good move. I'm a little far from the Democratic base so I could be wrong.

Cuomo bragged about his covid response. He's arguably had the worst, fudging the numbers of his nursing home deaths and seeding cases throughout the country. The year 2020 does mean the guy that let a full sixth of his nursing home patients die receives applause.

Kasich stood at a literal crossroads to talk about America at a crossroads. I wish he had chosen to drop out when the crossroads were Trump or a conservative challenger, and he chose to stay at the crossroads and make sure Trump was selected as Republican nominee. But he's a former Republican candidate now speaking at the Democratic convention, so I suppose playing spoiler to Trump challengers isn't really something he should care about anymore.

America let Michelle Obama down again. Eh. The quality of the other speeches made this one better.

The little musical number after Michelle was hilarious and I recommend a google and watch.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4463 Posts
August 18 2020 11:06 GMT
#51262
On August 17 2020 08:29 Taelshin wrote:
Should pardon Snowden and Assange.

I've seen conflicting articles, some saying that he said it wouldn't be Snowden, others saying he is looking at pardoning Snowden.Who knows with Trump, can be unpredictable.

If it's not Snowden or Assange then I can't see any other names nearly as interesting for me personally but I'm ready to be surprised, or not?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22705 Posts
August 18 2020 11:51 GMT
#51263
On August 18 2020 20:06 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2020 08:29 Taelshin wrote:
Should pardon Snowden and Assange.

I've seen conflicting articles, some saying that he said it wouldn't be Snowden, others saying he is looking at pardoning Snowden.Who knows with Trump, can be unpredictable.

If it's not Snowden or Assange then I can't see any other names nearly as interesting for me personally but I'm ready to be surprised, or not?
I could be Flynn.
From what I understand the hearing recently by the full court of appeals did not go well for Flynn and his team and judge Sullivan may get his hearing on the dismissal rather then being forced to dismiss the case.

It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18876 Posts
August 18 2020 11:54 GMT
#51264
On August 18 2020 20:51 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2020 20:06 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On August 17 2020 08:29 Taelshin wrote:
Should pardon Snowden and Assange.

I've seen conflicting articles, some saying that he said it wouldn't be Snowden, others saying he is looking at pardoning Snowden.Who knows with Trump, can be unpredictable.

If it's not Snowden or Assange then I can't see any other names nearly as interesting for me personally but I'm ready to be surprised, or not?
I could be Flynn.
From what I understand the hearing recently by the full court of appeals did not go well for Flynn and his team and judge Sullivan may get his hearing on the dismissal rather then being forced to dismiss the case.


That's correct, the full DC Circuit was angling heavily towards doing the opposite of the original panel decision.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18494 Posts
August 18 2020 13:11 GMT
#51265
On August 18 2020 20:06 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2020 08:29 Taelshin wrote:
Should pardon Snowden and Assange.

I've seen conflicting articles, some saying that he said it wouldn't be Snowden, others saying he is looking at pardoning Snowden.Who knows with Trump, can be unpredictable.

If it's not Snowden or Assange then I can't see any other names nearly as interesting for me personally but I'm ready to be surprised, or not?

Assange isn't a US citizen, so Trump pardoning him seems unlikely.

Also, isn't pardoning done after the court finds someone guilty? Pardoning someone in advance seems like something else... I dunno, granting them immunity from prosecution for that specific crime or so, which is obviously a very different beast, as part of what goes on in court is to expose exactly what happened and why that is illegal (or not). Skipping that step and going straight to "no matter what happened, I declare the person immune to prosecution for it" seems very dangerous, even if in this case it is pretty much entirely clear what happened as all involved parties never stop speaking about it.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
August 18 2020 13:17 GMT
#51266
Nixon was pardoned in that manner. Presidents can do it (for federal crimes).
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22705 Posts
August 18 2020 14:44 GMT
#51267
in a desperate attempt to appeal to women, Trump pardons a women's right activist who has been dead for over a 100 years, Susan B Anthony

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53825403
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
August 18 2020 14:58 GMT
#51268
On August 18 2020 23:44 Gorsameth wrote:
in a desperate attempt to appeal to women, Trump pardons a women's right activist who has been dead for over a 100 years, Susan B Anthony

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53825403

Surprising she wasn't already pardoned
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
August 18 2020 16:24 GMT
#51269
On August 18 2020 15:35 Danglars wrote:
Snoozer of a DNC opening day. Virtual convention. Pre-taped speeches, some allegedly from before Kamala was announced.

A strange woman claiming her dead dad's only precondition was trusting Donald Trump. I don't really think the political gain from the lady giving Trump the middle finger on her dad's grave is a good move. I'm a little far from the Democratic base so I could be wrong.

Cuomo bragged about his covid response. He's arguably had the worst, fudging the numbers of his nursing home deaths and seeding cases throughout the country. The year 2020 does mean the guy that let a full sixth of his nursing home patients die receives applause.

Kasich stood at a literal crossroads to talk about America at a crossroads. I wish he had chosen to drop out when the crossroads were Trump or a conservative challenger, and he chose to stay at the crossroads and make sure Trump was selected as Republican nominee. But he's a former Republican candidate now speaking at the Democratic convention, so I suppose playing spoiler to Trump challengers isn't really something he should care about anymore.

America let Michelle Obama down again. Eh. The quality of the other speeches made this one better.

The little musical number after Michelle was hilarious and I recommend a google and watch.

The fact that I barely even knew it existed says more than the content of the speeches themselves. It just didn’t matter this time around.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
August 18 2020 16:43 GMT
#51270
On August 18 2020 23:44 Gorsameth wrote:
in a desperate attempt to appeal to women, Trump pardons a women's right activist who has been dead for over a 100 years, Susan B Anthony

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53825403

While hosting a controversial anti abortion group that believe with questionable "proof" that woman served their cause.
NoiR
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14220 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-08-18 17:12:04
August 18 2020 17:10 GMT
#51271
It says a lot that they don't trust their own base that they didnt do anything on reddit or YouTube for the convention. Having a week of podcasts and YouTube videos and amas would do far more then unmemorable fauxconvention speeches.

Chapo trap house herb dean and dws walk into a bar. Everyone would talk about it. Even stuff like AOC Hillary and Michele Obama on a podcast would move the numbers more then pretaped speeches.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
August 18 2020 17:22 GMT
#51272
They only gave AOC 60 seconds to speak and featured Kasich. I'm pretty sure they don't give a shit about their base.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
August 18 2020 17:26 GMT
#51273
On August 19 2020 01:24 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 18 2020 15:35 Danglars wrote:
Snoozer of a DNC opening day. Virtual convention. Pre-taped speeches, some allegedly from before Kamala was announced.

A strange woman claiming her dead dad's only precondition was trusting Donald Trump. I don't really think the political gain from the lady giving Trump the middle finger on her dad's grave is a good move. I'm a little far from the Democratic base so I could be wrong.

Cuomo bragged about his covid response. He's arguably had the worst, fudging the numbers of his nursing home deaths and seeding cases throughout the country. The year 2020 does mean the guy that let a full sixth of his nursing home patients die receives applause.

Kasich stood at a literal crossroads to talk about America at a crossroads. I wish he had chosen to drop out when the crossroads were Trump or a conservative challenger, and he chose to stay at the crossroads and make sure Trump was selected as Republican nominee. But he's a former Republican candidate now speaking at the Democratic convention, so I suppose playing spoiler to Trump challengers isn't really something he should care about anymore.

America let Michelle Obama down again. Eh. The quality of the other speeches made this one better.

The little musical number after Michelle was hilarious and I recommend a google and watch.

The fact that I barely even knew it existed says more than the content of the speeches themselves. It just didn’t matter this time around.

Day 1 got panned by critics. Maybe Day 2? But it’s not the same this year. Bernie had an live blooper, but it was probably more endearing than embarrassing.

The closing was cringe.


I really only wanted to hear Michelle and Bernie. Bernie made a hard play for Biden as vessel for progressive change. Good luck.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
August 18 2020 17:29 GMT
#51274
--- Nuked ---
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
August 18 2020 17:39 GMT
#51275
They're playing to the Republican base that does not want to do anything with Trump.
Life?
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-08-18 17:53:22
August 18 2020 17:43 GMT
#51276
On August 19 2020 02:10 Sermokala wrote:
It says a lot that they don't trust their own base that they didnt do anything on reddit or YouTube for the convention. Having a week of podcasts and YouTube videos and amas would do far more then unmemorable fauxconvention speeches.

Chapo trap house herb dean and dws walk into a bar. Everyone would talk about it. Even stuff like AOC Hillary and Michele Obama on a podcast would move the numbers more then pretaped speeches.


Yeah the entire idea of a televised convention is kinda meh at this point. The progressive wing of the democratic party will likely be saving all the AMA and similar stuff until October. They really don't need to go too crazy yet. Still august. Internet age means we're years from the election atm.

Edit: To elaborate, no one under the age of 50 cares about a convention. Conventions are just boomer food.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
August 18 2020 18:46 GMT
#51277
On August 19 2020 02:29 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2020 02:22 Nevuk wrote:
They only gave AOC 60 seconds to speak and featured Kasich. I'm pretty sure they don't give a shit about their base.


They are just playing it awfully safe to not take away from Trump shooting himself in the foot. I expect it to ramp up closer to election day. They can do all the interactive things they want online anytime, it does not have to be now.

I find having Kasich inexcusable. The rest, whatever. Conventions are always awful.

Are there some fence-sitting republicans who could be convinced to move over via Kasich speaking? Probably.

Not nearly as many as there are democrats who are going to be annoyed that they gave a GOP presidential candidate a speaking role at the DNC convention, though. Kasich talked like a moderate but had a far right record on everything except medicaid as a governor. If he wants to rail against Trump, he can already do that on msnbc and with all the other never Trumpers.

It's yet another flashing warning sign to me that the democratic leadership WANTS to become a Never Trumper party. That's a combination of some of the least popular stances in politics with some of the worst decision makers of all time. They're good at PR. That's it.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24512 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-08-18 19:15:25
August 18 2020 19:14 GMT
#51278
The convention has been embarrassing so far imo.

The most pathetic part (tough to compete with that closing musical number and several Republican speakers) is how stupid they think their supporters are. They had Kasich there to assure Republicans Biden wouldn't govern to the left of his campaign and Bernie there to say he will (if pushed).
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
August 18 2020 19:25 GMT
#51279
--- Nuked ---
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
August 18 2020 20:45 GMT
#51280
On August 19 2020 02:22 Nevuk wrote:
They only gave AOC 60 seconds to speak and featured Kasich. I'm pretty sure they don't give a shit about their base.

Bernie was second last speaking just before Michelle Obama with 9 minutes of time.
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