US Politics Mega-thread - Page 2492

On July 09 2020 02:57 Danglars wrote:

The trouble is that the evidence is the elections, and countries, and exit, as outlined, and you offer just your opinion with your name supporting it. If there’s some growth in unity movements, I’m going to need more than just your assertion that it’s happening, if you understand what I mean. For all I know, you’re in denial with what’s happening around you, and the forces for nation states (and status quo or less unity) are more dominant than I’m supposing here. If you were like some world renowned political scientist, I’d take more stock in your opinion without citation.

On July 09 2020 21:28 Broetchenholer wrote:


If you take the elections as evidence, why do you only see it as evidence against Europe? Let's say 20 % of all votes in Europe go to nationalist, anti European parties. This means 80% of votes go to parties supporting the EU. The fact that the far right has strengthened significantly in the last years does not mean the majority of people is suddenly against the EU. It just means the same amount of people is emboldened to vote for a far right party because the political climate seems more forgiving or because society has moved further right, meaning they do not find a home in moderate conservative parties anymore.

I am not saying that 80 % of voters would like a federal European government without nation states. But claiming that there is no evidence for pro European movement is wrong and not my opinion but your own argument.

By the way, by your logic, Germany is now much less racist compared to 8 years before, because openly neo nazi parties like npd or rep have lost all their votes to a party that claims it is just conservative, the afd. Must mean all those nazis are now more left leaning, meaning Germany is a much more friendly place.

On July 09 2020 23:16 farvacola wrote:

Fuck yes, this is big.

On July 09 2020 23:13 Velr wrote:
As far as i can tell the strong pro EU Voices have in fact become much stronger in recent years, funnily enough it seems to a large Degree thanks to Brexit, Trump and the "awesome" performances of British and US politicians in general.
You can find tons of studies how approval ratings of the EU and the wishes for a tighter union are growing. It's not a majority or politically feasible at the moment, but people get more and more open to it and this will probably rather become stronger than weaker with more and more people being more and more unable to imagine a Europe seperated by borders.

On July 09 2020 23:33 farvacola wrote:

Procedurally there’s lots of work to do, but the holding is significant precedentially given that all 9 agree that there is no absolute immunity.

Edit: and the second case, the one about Congress’ request, shows that Congressional Dems dropped the ball hard with their approach. That same decision nevertheless holds that a president’s papers are not subject to executive privilege, distinguishing the subject matter of these requests from the ones made of Nixon. That’s big, the theory of the unitary executive is basically dead.

On July 08 2020 15:35 Danglars wrote:

Maybe you saw IgnE's post:

I put even odds on whether or not in a decade or two, EU citizens want the EU to be more like the US. Monetary union and closer country integration have severe long-term risks. The right and far-right parties have had unheard-of results, if you zoom back to year 2000. This isn't so much to the credit of these parties, so poorly led and organized, but as a measure of the protest vote of unheard EU citizens.

On July 09 2020 23:16 farvacola wrote:

Fuck yes, this is big.

On July 09 2020 23:13 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Looks like Trump has to show his taxes in the New York grand jury case.

Edit: Doesn't mean the public gets to view them any time soon and possibly until after the election. There's also the congressional subpoena which didn't go so well though and will continue to be kept hidden. They are being punted down to the lower courts. Fits with what I expected after the oral arguments a while back when legal observers thought the justices were skeptical about Congress but generally seemed more willing regarding New York's DA.

Certainly an interesting day for legal precedent I'm sure other members here will comprehend and explain, but I don't think today's rulings were as great of an anti-Trump event as expected. His taxes likely remain blocked from the public until after the election and the House has to deal with another round of lower court wrangling. If the primary goal was to delay the revelation of his tax records, he got his short-term win. Though puncturing holes in the immunity of a president from oversight is critical on principle, which isn't something to take lightly.

https://twitter.com/USSupremeCourt/status/1281229696718512129

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/19pdf/19-635_o7jq.pdf

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On July 10 2020 04:18 Mohdoo wrote:


My favorite part is Thomas and Alito. What a complete mess. It is terrifying to think people with their views made it to the supreme court. If there were more of them, we'd live in an actual dictatorship. I am curious when they would think a president's power is limited.

On July 10 2020 04:14 farvacola wrote:

The decisions are significant for reasons unrelated to Trump and his re-election.