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StalkerTL
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On June 22 2020 08:37 PhoenixVoid wrote: Bolton saying he'll vote for Biden because he's seen the Trump sausage factory up close and was not pleased. Come on, you laughed a bit reading this news. The idea you can have legendary New Left intellectuals like Chomsky and practically every Dubya administration member still in the public square opposed to Trump like this is the stuff you imagine in a fever dream in 2010. Was like this in 2016 too, so all the surprise is long since gone. Didn't help then either. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15547 Posts
On June 22 2020 11:38 LegalLord wrote: Was like this in 2016 too, so all the surprise is long since gone. Didn't help then either. The GOP was licking hella boots by the time the election actually rolled around in 2016. Cruz bent the knee so hard I thought it would snap. I also think we are in a weird political environment where incumbent is actually now a disadvantage, since people basically expect the world. It feels like elections are more like social media campaigns than they used to be and that forces candidates to be pretty unrealistic. I think it is a lot easier to yell from the sidelines what the president should be doing differently. And especially when you consider how many people wondered if an outsider would be better and knew they were rolling dice. Overall, I do believe that Trump being put into practice hurt him. Mattis and Bolton aren't big players per se, but I think they are hard to ignore for Republicans who are wondering if they should just sit the next election out. A lot of educated republicans I have talked to super prioritize the economy as #1 and then national security as #2. Trump's base is a lot more social issue focused, but it is important to remember the other parts of the party. | ||
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OmniEulogy
Canada6592 Posts
On June 22 2020 08:37 PhoenixVoid wrote: Bolton saying he'll vote for Biden because he's seen the Trump sausage factory up close and was not pleased. Come on, you laughed a bit reading this news. The idea you can have legendary New Left intellectuals like Chomsky and practically every Dubya administration member still in the public square opposed to Trump like this is the stuff you imagine in a fever dream in 2010. https://www.axios.com/john-bolton-biden-trump-b216371a-5134-4d09-96af-76ad0fd74cca.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organic&utm_content=1100 Before making Bolton seem too reasonable the exact quote from the article is, "I don't think he's a conservative Republican. I'm not going to vote for him in November — certainly not going to vote for Joe Biden either," Bolton said, per ABC News. "I'm going to figure out a conservative Republican to vote in." so he's not quite going as far as voting for Biden, he just claims he wont vote for Trump. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On June 22 2020 14:02 Mohdoo wrote: The GOP was licking hella boots by the time the election actually rolled around in 2016. Cruz bent the knee so hard I thought it would snap. I also think we are in a weird political environment where incumbent is actually now a disadvantage, since people basically expect the world. It feels like elections are more like social media campaigns than they used to be and that forces candidates to be pretty unrealistic. I think it is a lot easier to yell from the sidelines what the president should be doing differently. And especially when you consider how many people wondered if an outsider would be better and knew they were rolling dice. Overall, I do believe that Trump being put into practice hurt him. Mattis and Bolton aren't big players per se, but I think they are hard to ignore for Republicans who are wondering if they should just sit the next election out. A lot of educated republicans I have talked to super prioritize the economy as #1 and then national security as #2. Trump's base is a lot more social issue focused, but it is important to remember the other parts of the party. They'll still mostly vote for Trump. By the time election rolls around it'll still come down to 'our guys are better on these issues than the other guys'. I can't conceive of anything Biden could do to convince them otherwise that won't lose him Democrat votes by the handful. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
It will be quite pleasant to watch, if it happens. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7881 Posts
On June 22 2020 02:39 GreenHorizons wrote: lol I'm aware of his short list. The bickering on twitter between Warren and Harris supporters about it has kept me pretty amused recently. I'll go on record now that it's not a good cycle to pick a cop (the Black women you mentioned) as a running mate for obvious reasons. Kamala Harris, Keisha Lance Bottoms and Susan Rice are among the most serious candidates, and even Stacey Abrams is still a thousand times more likely than Graham but ok. On June 23 2020 01:01 Erasme wrote: If trump keeps on getting bad rallies, the GOP will turn on him as fast as they turned last time. It will be quite pleasant to watch, if it happens. Well, I think at that point that they will put up with him until the election. What is certain is that if he loses he will be a pariah of american politics. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15547 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France7881 Posts
On June 23 2020 01:43 Mohdoo wrote: I honestly don't see why this rally is considered such a failure. We're in a pandemic. redhats are very anti-mask in a lot of situations, but I think even the most disturbed of individuals realize stepping into a stadium with thousands of people is kind of sketchy. And for what, to listen to what you already agree with? The cost:benefit:risk is not favorable. I imagine a lot of very enthusiastic Trump supporters are simply like "yeah so I won't wear a mask at the grocery store, but thousands of people is whack" Then it's a fiasco to have organized it in the first place. Whichever way you want to take it it's disastrous. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15547 Posts
On June 23 2020 01:47 Biff The Understudy wrote: Then it's a fiasco to have organized it in the first place. Whichever way you want to take it it's disastrous. I definitely think it is deeply immoral to schedule tribalism assemblies for ego stroking during a pandemic. But my point is that knowing there is a pandemic in motion, what constitutes attendance failure is very different. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23091 Posts
On June 23 2020 01:13 Biff The Understudy wrote: Kamala Harris, Keisha Lance Bottoms and Susan Rice are among the most serious candidates, and even Stacey Abrams is still a thousand times more likely than Graham but ok. I said I was poking fun at the absurd superficiality of the veepstakes, while lamenting the bastardization of intersectionality and identity politics Not seriously suggesting Graham was a likely VP, but with Joe Biden and Democrats, it's a terrible enough idea that I can't completely put it past them. | ||
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NrG.Bamboo
United States2756 Posts
On June 23 2020 01:47 Biff The Understudy wrote: Then it's a fiasco to have organized it in the first place. Whichever way you want to take it it's disastrous. Agreed, it was doomed to fail for a few reasons: First, the historical relationship between the massacre in '21, and the current racial tensions, lined up with somehow tying Juneteenth into the picture frames this as a deliberate message. Not a good message, but one that everyone heard and drew their own conclusions from. Second, Tulsa is as close to a drop of blue in a sea of red as one might be willing to imagine. If I recall correctly, Oklahoma was 100% red for the 2016 presidential election, not a single wavering county. Tulsa, however, is a bit of an artist safe haven and about as far left as this area would currently allow; it's a surprising place, I'm a personal fan. Third, people in Oklahoma that haven't written off COVID as some bullshit understand that there are increased infections right now very close to us, (Texas, Arizona, etc.) as well as ours going up too. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7881 Posts
On June 23 2020 02:06 Mohdoo wrote: I definitely think it is deeply immoral to schedule tribalism assemblies for ego stroking during a pandemic. But my point is that knowing there is a pandemic in motion, what constitutes attendance failure is very different. Well, you are right of course, but for Trump, anything else than full room is terrible, terrible PR. Live by the rally... | ||
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Nouar
France3270 Posts
On June 23 2020 02:25 Biff The Understudy wrote: Well, you are right of course, but for Trump, anything else than full room is terrible, terrible PR. Live by the rally... In this case, he already died at his inauguration xD | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21594 Posts
On June 23 2020 01:43 Mohdoo wrote: In a 'normal' world filling 1/3 of a stadium for a political rally during an epidemic would be a pretty good showing.I honestly don't see why this rally is considered such a failure. We're in a pandemic. redhats are very anti-mask in a lot of situations, but I think even the most disturbed of individuals realize stepping into a stadium with thousands of people is kind of sketchy. And for what, to listen to what you already agree with? The cost:benefit:risk is not favorable. I imagine a lot of very enthusiastic Trump supporters are simply like "yeah so I won't wear a mask at the grocery store, but thousands of people is whack" But Trumps campaign hyped up how much interest there was and how amazing it was going to be. That was completely unrealistic and they utterly failed to match it. And therefor they lost. Because doing 'ok' when you hyped it up to be 'the best thing ever' is an 'utter failure'. And failure is weak and weakness is unacceptable. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France7881 Posts
On June 23 2020 02:30 Nouar wrote: In this case, he already died at his inauguration xD That's a point 🙃 | ||
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NrG.Bamboo
United States2756 Posts
On June 23 2020 03:39 JimmiC wrote: Not mention that they are down playing the pandemic so they can not use it as a legitimate excuse. Because people who love Trump are supposed to not wear masks, and not worry about the "kung flu". He really appears to be shooting himself in the foot in multiple ways right now. So long as he does it with a really badass gun, everything else can be overlooked. Some people will never accept a failure for what it is. Yeehaw | ||
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