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Now that we have a new thread, in order to ensure that this thread continues to meet TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we will be enforcing the rules in the OP more strictly. Be sure to give them a complete and thorough read before posting!

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Your supporting statement should always come BEFORE you provide the source.


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Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9256 Posts
May 31 2020 23:47 GMT
#47141
On June 01 2020 07:26 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2020 06:22 Simberto wrote:
On June 01 2020 05:49 Artisreal wrote:
On June 01 2020 02:40 travis wrote:
The reason antifa is being designated a terrorist organization is because they are being funded by George Soros to incite riots as a political weapon. He does this shit regularly, sometimes he even funds both sides of divisive issues.

I have never been a fan of the police, but I do think they have an impossible job right now. Understand that many of these police just want to protect the city and the people in the city, but what is actually happening in these cities is more than just organic rioting. There are some very very dangerous people in some of these cities, and I am sure the police are well aware of that. So.. they have to try to balance not murdering someone with not getting murdered.

can we have an aditional [citation needed] option to quote and report for this thread.
this is just conspirational level akin to Bill Gates wanting to secretly microchip everyone through a vaccine for covid19 which of course he invented in the first place.


I actually read that as satire at first. It sounds like something which i might write when satirizing crazy rightwing people, and overplay the stupidity. But a few posts later it seems as if that was actually serious. Which is really strange.

Yeah it's pizzagate level of stupid. But think about it: modern antisemitism was based for decades on the Protocole of the Elder of Zion which is, frankly, several orders of magnitude dumber and more grotesque as a conspiracy theory as the whole Soros crap. It was enough in the long run to get millions of people gazed and burnt in ovens.

I don't think this is driven specifically by antisemitism. As someone else pointed out, there's now conspiracy theories about Bill Gates trying to microchip people.

To me the mechanism seems to be that some obscenely rich guy donates to a cause (LGBT rights groups, vaccine research, climate change NGOs, etc) that some fringe groups are emphatically opposed to, to the point that their entire personalities revolve around opposing said thing.

And those people deliberately make up these wild stories about how it's all part of an evil masterplan because it's far more effective at getting neutral gullible people on their side than by saying they oppose those things because gay bad, science wrong, etc.
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
June 01 2020 00:18 GMT
#47142
On June 01 2020 07:52 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Holy fuck are we really diving into the "genetics of race" bullshit now?

Is this seriously allowed on TL still?


I mean, I believe the source is a mod, so... Yes?
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24505 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-01 00:36:09
June 01 2020 00:19 GMT
#47143
On June 01 2020 09:18 mikedebo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2020 07:52 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Holy fuck are we really diving into the "genetics of race" bullshit now?

Is this seriously allowed on TL still?


I mean, I believe the source is a mod, so... Yes?


tbf TL is better about addressing it than the NYT when they publish it.

Whoever was asking for supporting evidence of damages being caused by police, here's a video that appears to show Seattle PD smashing a window (or trying anyway) inexplicably after the protests last night.

"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
June 01 2020 00:46 GMT
#47144
A very cinematic trip through downtown Philly during looting.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/gu4l6l/my_ride_through_downtown_philly_during_looting/
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-01 00:48:25
June 01 2020 00:47 GMT
#47145
Santa Monica is being looted. It's just surreal seeing my local news choppers filming people just walking out with boxes.

LA County has a curfew starting in 15 minutes. Simply unreal.

Broke into an amazon van and looted it. Dragged a guy out of his vehicle and beat him up. (Source: Live Video ABC-7 LA)
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24505 Posts
June 01 2020 00:49 GMT
#47146
On June 01 2020 09:47 Danglars wrote:
Santa Monica is being looted. It's just surreal seeing my local news choppers filming people just walking out with boxes.

LA County has a curfew starting in 15 minutes. Simply unreal.

Broke into an amazon van and looted it. Dragged a guy out of his vehicle and beat him up. (Source: Live Video ABC-7 LA)


Not a Sublime fan eh?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1416 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-01 01:18:11
June 01 2020 00:54 GMT
#47147
On June 01 2020 07:52 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Holy fuck are we really diving into the "genetics of race" bullshit now?

Is this seriously allowed on TL still?



Yes that is kinda surprising. But since it comes from a moderator i guess its ok.

Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22703 Posts
June 01 2020 00:55 GMT
#47148
On June 01 2020 09:46 Gahlo wrote:
A very cinematic trip through downtown Philly during looting.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/gu4l6l/my_ride_through_downtown_philly_during_looting/
Yeah that is not a protest turned to civil unrest but a bunch of teenagers taking a 'shopping trip'.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
June 01 2020 01:13 GMT
#47149
On June 01 2020 08:22 Danglars wrote:
Nothing will come of the terrorism declaration tweet, like nothing will come of the section 230 tweet, because there is no basis in statute.

Nothing tangible in terms of legislation, plenty of stuff does come from such Tweets that is still extremely impactful if difficult to quantify.

Shame Twitter don’t just call his bluff and outright ban him, the shitshow would be tremendous.

Being serious again though at the absolute most generous some of Trump’s Tweets could maybe have no possible negative effect, at the most generous. At the least generous end of that particular scale he’s throwing more fuel into an already raging fire of pissed off people.

He is only a singular man of course, but his rhetoric does embolden a certain segment of society and really antagonises another sector of society.

A Trump plea for calm and addressing these issues may have well fell on deaf ears and had no effect in calming the situation, but at least one could say he tried his best in utilising the status of his office to defuse things.

He can’t even do the pretense of caring properly. To a fair chunk of America his recent behaviour, as well as being informed by his track record reads ‘one thoughts and prayers statement, shoot people protesting inaction and designate an amorphous ill-defined group as terrorists’


'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
June 01 2020 01:31 GMT
#47150
On June 01 2020 10:13 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2020 08:22 Danglars wrote:
Nothing will come of the terrorism declaration tweet, like nothing will come of the section 230 tweet, because there is no basis in statute.

Nothing tangible in terms of legislation, plenty of stuff does come from such Tweets that is still extremely impactful if difficult to quantify.

Shame Twitter don’t just call his bluff and outright ban him, the shitshow would be tremendous.

Being serious again though at the absolute most generous some of Trump’s Tweets could maybe have no possible negative effect, at the most generous. At the least generous end of that particular scale he’s throwing more fuel into an already raging fire of pissed off people.

He is only a singular man of course, but his rhetoric does embolden a certain segment of society and really antagonises another sector of society.

A Trump plea for calm and addressing these issues may have well fell on deaf ears and had no effect in calming the situation, but at least one could say he tried his best in utilising the status of his office to defuse things.

He can’t even do the pretense of caring properly. To a fair chunk of America his recent behaviour, as well as being informed by his track record reads ‘one thoughts and prayers statement, shoot people protesting inaction and designate an amorphous ill-defined group as terrorists’



He would like nothing better than to be banned. His supporters already think they're being discriminated against on (what they think should be) neutral platforms for their social media. Ban the president from twitter after courts said Trump can't block people because his account is a “public forum" and Trump "utilizes a social media account for all manner of official purposes." That would be a political godsend for whatever victim narratives he makes in his 2020 plea.

And just in case it has to be said, his tweets on looting-shooting were the wrong move and worsened things. I think that was mostly apparent, and I've posted about that earlier about the reaction.

For the broader topic, he can be seen as caring about business owners and citizens impacted by looting. Everybody that acts tough against lawlessness, no matter how justly you can say it's counterproductive or whatever, can be said to care about those affected by arson, looting, violence, and property destruction. Try listening to someone saying LAW & ORDER when you just saw video of two people wearing hoodies dragging a man out of his vehicle and beating him up in the middle of the street. Maybe then you'll see how "caring" might resonate with people.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-01 01:50:06
June 01 2020 01:49 GMT
#47151
I'm not sure it'd really be a win for him. People said that about Milo too. (Remember him? His Twitter ban didn't lead to his irrelevance, but it helped insure it stuck).

Trump is uniquely talented at using twitter. His other options don't cater nearly as well to his communication skills (what, is he going to make 40 facebook posts a day? Those are a nightmare to navigate). He could fire a cabinet member on facebook live and I'm not sure if they would actually find out.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
June 01 2020 02:01 GMT
#47152
On June 01 2020 10:31 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2020 10:13 Wombat_NI wrote:
On June 01 2020 08:22 Danglars wrote:
Nothing will come of the terrorism declaration tweet, like nothing will come of the section 230 tweet, because there is no basis in statute.

Nothing tangible in terms of legislation, plenty of stuff does come from such Tweets that is still extremely impactful if difficult to quantify.

Shame Twitter don’t just call his bluff and outright ban him, the shitshow would be tremendous.

Being serious again though at the absolute most generous some of Trump’s Tweets could maybe have no possible negative effect, at the most generous. At the least generous end of that particular scale he’s throwing more fuel into an already raging fire of pissed off people.

He is only a singular man of course, but his rhetoric does embolden a certain segment of society and really antagonises another sector of society.

A Trump plea for calm and addressing these issues may have well fell on deaf ears and had no effect in calming the situation, but at least one could say he tried his best in utilising the status of his office to defuse things.

He can’t even do the pretense of caring properly. To a fair chunk of America his recent behaviour, as well as being informed by his track record reads ‘one thoughts and prayers statement, shoot people protesting inaction and designate an amorphous ill-defined group as terrorists’



He would like nothing better than to be banned. His supporters already think they're being discriminated against on (what they think should be) neutral platforms for their social media. Ban the president from twitter after courts said Trump can't block people because his account is a “public forum" and Trump "utilizes a social media account for all manner of official purposes." That would be a political godsend for whatever victim narratives he makes in his 2020 plea.

And just in case it has to be said, his tweets on looting-shooting were the wrong move and worsened things. I think that was mostly apparent, and I've posted about that earlier about the reaction.

For the broader topic, he can be seen as caring about business owners and citizens impacted by looting. Everybody that acts tough against lawlessness, no matter how justly you can say it's counterproductive or whatever, can be said to care about those affected by arson, looting, violence, and property destruction. Try listening to someone saying LAW & ORDER when you just saw video of two people wearing hoodies dragging a man out of his vehicle and beating him up in the middle of the street. Maybe then you'll see how "caring" might resonate with people.

I mean I do agree 100% on the optics, although I do think social media should be much more harshly regulated, although that’s a tangential point. As a hypothetical I would enjoy it for Trump’s reaction though.

You can stride these two worlds if you actually want to, it’s not insane.

By and large, although more extreme views exist, those who repost, or protest or get involved in anything under the Black Lives Matter banner are themselves law and order protestors.

The police are ostensibly meant to have the monopoly on legitimate violence within the state, but apply it within certain limits and be accountable.

That they are not, or perceived as lacking accountability and lacking proportionality is a law and order matter too, but raising this point is somehow framed as being seditious or what have you.

You can do attempt to both credibly respond to the law and order grievance that catalysed these events while also condemning unnecessary violence and looting.

Trump chose not to do this in this instance, allied to innumerable other precious utterances like ‘good people on both sides’

I’m not a huge fan as I’m considerably left of him but what does Obama do here? A cracking, well-considered and well-delivered speech. May not defuse things sure, may not fix things well sure as fuck he didn’t decide to dog whistle to an ever-dwindling portion of the population.

There was at least a facile attempt at unifying the country, as superficial as it often was.

Trump does not do this, indeed he takes every shot he can at further polarising it. As you correctly say he has no legal recourse to do what he’s saying here but these actions absolutely have serious negative consequences.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4462 Posts
June 01 2020 02:40 GMT
#47153
Interested to see what happens with the coronavirus figures now that you've got hundreds of thousands protesting/rioting in cities across the US.Good luck social distancing them.

You shut down your economy for two months and asked people to stay home.Could have all been for nothing? New wave could start due to these huge crowds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
June 01 2020 02:44 GMT
#47154
On June 01 2020 11:40 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Interested to see what happens with the coronavirus figures now that you've got hundreds of thousands protesting/rioting in cities across the US.Good luck social distancing them.

You shut down your economy for two months and asked people to stay home.Could have all been for nothing? New wave could start due to these huge crowds.


Even in places that aren't rioting people are mass congregating and insisting it was "corona hoax". I wonder if our collective stupidity has finally met its match?
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-01 02:59:45
June 01 2020 02:53 GMT
#47155
On June 01 2020 11:01 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2020 10:31 Danglars wrote:
On June 01 2020 10:13 Wombat_NI wrote:
On June 01 2020 08:22 Danglars wrote:
Nothing will come of the terrorism declaration tweet, like nothing will come of the section 230 tweet, because there is no basis in statute.

Nothing tangible in terms of legislation, plenty of stuff does come from such Tweets that is still extremely impactful if difficult to quantify.

Shame Twitter don’t just call his bluff and outright ban him, the shitshow would be tremendous.

Being serious again though at the absolute most generous some of Trump’s Tweets could maybe have no possible negative effect, at the most generous. At the least generous end of that particular scale he’s throwing more fuel into an already raging fire of pissed off people.

He is only a singular man of course, but his rhetoric does embolden a certain segment of society and really antagonises another sector of society.

A Trump plea for calm and addressing these issues may have well fell on deaf ears and had no effect in calming the situation, but at least one could say he tried his best in utilising the status of his office to defuse things.

He can’t even do the pretense of caring properly. To a fair chunk of America his recent behaviour, as well as being informed by his track record reads ‘one thoughts and prayers statement, shoot people protesting inaction and designate an amorphous ill-defined group as terrorists’



He would like nothing better than to be banned. His supporters already think they're being discriminated against on (what they think should be) neutral platforms for their social media. Ban the president from twitter after courts said Trump can't block people because his account is a “public forum" and Trump "utilizes a social media account for all manner of official purposes." That would be a political godsend for whatever victim narratives he makes in his 2020 plea.

And just in case it has to be said, his tweets on looting-shooting were the wrong move and worsened things. I think that was mostly apparent, and I've posted about that earlier about the reaction.

For the broader topic, he can be seen as caring about business owners and citizens impacted by looting. Everybody that acts tough against lawlessness, no matter how justly you can say it's counterproductive or whatever, can be said to care about those affected by arson, looting, violence, and property destruction. Try listening to someone saying LAW & ORDER when you just saw video of two people wearing hoodies dragging a man out of his vehicle and beating him up in the middle of the street. Maybe then you'll see how "caring" might resonate with people.

I mean I do agree 100% on the optics, although I do think social media should be much more harshly regulated, although that’s a tangential point. As a hypothetical I would enjoy it for Trump’s reaction though.

You can stride these two worlds if you actually want to, it’s not insane.

By and large, although more extreme views exist, those who repost, or protest or get involved in anything under the Black Lives Matter banner are themselves law and order protestors.

The police are ostensibly meant to have the monopoly on legitimate violence within the state, but apply it within certain limits and be accountable.

That they are not, or perceived as lacking accountability and lacking proportionality is a law and order matter too, but raising this point is somehow framed as being seditious or what have you.

You can do attempt to both credibly respond to the law and order grievance that catalysed these events while also condemning unnecessary violence and looting.

Trump chose not to do this in this instance, allied to innumerable other precious utterances like ‘good people on both sides’

I’m not a huge fan as I’m considerably left of him but what does Obama do here? A cracking, well-considered and well-delivered speech. May not defuse things sure, may not fix things well sure as fuck he didn’t decide to dog whistle to an ever-dwindling portion of the population.

There was at least a facile attempt at unifying the country, as superficial as it often was.

Trump does not do this, indeed he takes every shot he can at further polarising it. As you correctly say he has no legal recourse to do what he’s saying here but these actions absolutely have serious negative consequences.

I don't really know if you want to go "those who repost, or protest or get involved in anything under the Black Lives Matter banner are themselves law and order protestors." By and large, Charlottesville attendees did not murder anybody, or get arrested for violent crime. If just 1 person or 10% are there for a fight, the news story is white supremacists killed a girl, or 50 people engaged in a hand weapon fight on the protest route. So I don't really acknowledge this aspect as something valid to put out there. It doesn't work for protests that turn violent, since it takes so few to go about it, and peaceful protesters aren't equipped to stop it. Enough people on the BLM protests (that are going on as I speak less than 10 miles away from me) turned to violence and looting. And Trump's gonna be out there all law-and-ordering himself in contrast to violent riots alongside BLM protests with smashed storefronts.

Obama would give a better speech urging calm. He already put out a statement of about that. All good. He'll ignore Antifa, as done and expected. (To everybody here, please don't pretend they weren't smashing and grabbing shit in Berkeley, Portland, Seattle just a couple years ago. They show up to events in major cities like this.) So yes, Obama would be the better president in means of getting before the cameras tonight and telling people to stop smashing stuff. Obama's no unifier in my opinion, not by a long shot, but he would be less of a divider than Trump has shown to date on this issue.

What needs to happen, and what likely won't given the last couple of days, is reforms to the police union negotiated officer protections and change legislatively/court decision regarding qualified immunity. You saw that the officer did not fear the cameras, or the three officers near him, as he kept the knee on that guy's neck. That needs to change. Both for this event and for policeman shooting people exercising their second amendment rights at home and on their person. For what it's worth, police abuse should be a race neutral issue, even as poorer and minority communities have historical reasons for distrust and less of a directed, political voice.

See: my previous post summing up what I think about right-wing, left liberal, and left radical responses
I don’t know enough to speak on a lot of this, but I know angsty suburban white boys. If you want to break shit to live out your teenage anarchist fantasy, do it on your own time. If you think you’re doing that shit to show how MUCH u care about black lives, ur deluding yourself. - Anna Kendrick

Ex. "the good" of the protestors. Stopping the mayhem makers among them
the video people will remember if they're driving near areas under mass protest
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46687 Posts
June 01 2020 03:02 GMT
#47156
On June 01 2020 11:53 Danglars wrote:
Obama would give a better speech urging calm. He already put out a statement of about that. All good. He'll ignore Antifa, as done and expected. (To everybody here, please don't pretend they weren't smashing and grabbing shit in Berkeley, Portland, Seattle just a couple years ago. They show up to events in major cities like this.)


I'm not saying you're completely blaming Antifa for all of this, but that line reminded me of some things I've been seeing from conservative acquaintances of mine, so I feel the need to write: Obligatory reminder that the people who are blaming all of this violence and destruction on Antifa are the same people who will watch a Jewish person punch a Nazi in the face for being a Nazi, and then scold the Jewish person for being a meanie.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24505 Posts
June 01 2020 03:12 GMT
#47157
More violent repression of political dissent by police. Man yells at police, police hit him with pepper spray and then shoot him in the face with a teargas canister.

"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
June 01 2020 03:29 GMT
#47158
Yep, sure looks like Antifa to me, GH. I mean, it looks awfully like police, but that must just be the deep state playing tricks on me.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-06-01 03:33:45
June 01 2020 03:30 GMT
#47159
Cincinnati is in curfew as well, until June 2nd. There were lots of protesters, but apparently most dispersed today after curfew.

The CPD used to be REALLY bad, but most of their current issues are around taking officers fired by other cities. Apparently they did a lot of reform after once being known as worse than the LAPD. Many of their reforms were used by Obama's task force as recommendations.

Here are the key takeaways of the reforms :
Looking back, the results of Cincinnati’s reform efforts are startling. Between 1999 and 2014, Cincinnati saw a 69 percent reduction in police use-of-force incidents, a 42 percent reduction in citizen complaints and a 56 percent reduction in citizen injuries during encounters with police, according to a report by Robin S. Engel and M. Murat Ozer of the Institute of Crime Science at the University of Cincinnati. Violent crimes dropped from a high of 4,137 in the year after the riots, to 2,352 last year. Misdemeanor arrests dropped from 41,708 in 2000 to 17,913 last year.

Yet it might not be so simple to adopt Cincinnati’s changes in other cities. It took a long time—five to ten years, by some counts—to get police to actually buy into the reforms. Nobody likes it when somebody comes into their workplace and tells them how to do their job. The changes Cincinnati adopted were nothing short of a complete turnaround in how the city approached incarceration, crime and its relationship with its residents. And to make sure they were adopted, the federal government had to apply constant pressure, reminding all parties involved about the need to stay vigilant about reform.

“In the early 2000s and late 90s, Cincinnati was just a hotbed of problems, and we got the city and the police department to agree to certain reforms,” said Mike Brickner, senior policy director with the ACLU of Ohio, which sued the city shortly before the riots over discriminatory policing practices. “It’s gratifying for me to see that people are coming back several years later and recognizing how successful it was.”

Some of the changes were small: The police department vowed to hold a press conference within 12 hours of any officer-involved shooting and to provide information as well as camera footage from the event. It agreed to track officers who received an inordinate number of complaints or who violated policies, and take disciplinary action if needed. It established a Citizen Complaint Authority with investigative and subpoena powers over police. It adopted new use-of-force policies, changed guidelines on when to use chemical spray, and established a mental-health response team to deal with incidents in which a suspect may have mental-health problems.

But those changes were tiny in contrast to what Herold and others say completely altered the department over the course of a decade: the adoption of a new strategy for how to police. The settlement agreement for the ACLU lawsuit, dubbed the Collaborative, required Cincinnati police to adopt community problem-oriented policing, or CPOP. The strategy required them to do fewer out-and-out arrests, and instead focus on solving the problems that cause people to commit crimes in the first place.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/05/cincinnati-police-reform/393797/

Note :
These reforms were all in reaction to some really bad race riots in 2001.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati_riots_of_2001
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June 01 2020 03:34 GMT
#47160
Congress's response to the massive civil uprising is to go on vacation.

"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
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