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On June 01 2020 03:02 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2020 03:00 Vivax wrote:On June 01 2020 02:52 travis wrote:On June 01 2020 02:48 Vivax wrote:On June 01 2020 02:40 travis wrote:
The reason antifa is being designated a terrorist organization is because they are being funded by George Soros to incite riots as a political weapon. He does this shit regularly, sometimes he even funds both sides of divisive issues.
I have never been a fan of the police, but I do think they have an impossible job right now. Understand that many of these police just want to protect the city and the people in the city, but what is actually happening in these cities is more than just organic rioting. There are some very very dangerous people in some of these cities, and I am sure the police are well aware of that. So.. they have to try to balance not murdering someone with not getting murdered. Soros? Why should he care about this at his age and why don't his funds get frozen if he's behind it. You surely meant Trump is letting this happen so he can do the next power grab. Yes, Soros. Why should he care? Great question, maybe he's the devil. Or maybe he's made a deal with the devil. Why did he care about funding BLM? He basically took over that organization. Is this part of a greater scheme that plays into some kind of power grab for Trump? I hope not but that's beyond the scope of what I can see at least. He already gave himself executive powers for corona. Those are wartime measures. Now he's about to start a war of terror in his own country, more wartime measures. I'm just glad I'm not in the US because you're about to get your own fuhrer imho. I am just curious how you can be so confident this is the case, rather than that he is legitimately ferreting out insurrection? It's my opinion that there is a lot of evidence that an underground war has been occurring for the last 6 months or so.
Well he displays all the warning signs of a democratically elected guy going for absolutism. Replacing guys in the admin with loyal ones, attempting to censor media, letting situations escalate like when he downplayed corona, didn't personally get involved in bringing the murderous cop to justice, talking about a new America and transition to greatness and other stuff. He's clearly very confident he's going to have another term after he lost the lead to Biden.
Maybe when he's about to lose he's just going to spill the names he got from Epstein. Only the opposing ones ofc.
Btw it's obvious he's trying to get everyone warm to the idea of going to war with China.
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On June 01 2020 03:02 ChristianS wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2020 02:48 travis wrote:On June 01 2020 02:42 ChristianS wrote:
Oh geez, we’re at “paid George Soros protesters” Oh geez, that's somehow crazy even though it's public information that he does this. Keep living in la-la land where nothing makes sense but every non-mainstream explanation is crazy. What percent of protesters/rioters last night do you think were making an hourly wage paid by George Soros? What’s he pay, anyway? How are the benefits?
I've only seen documents that can't be proven as fake or real either way, but they definitely look real. Looks like the pay is pretty good - which makes sense for dangerous secret work.
As for percentage of protestors hired by Soros - I have no idea. Very very small. But how many people does it take to incite a riot? How many people to break windows or light a cop car on fire? Not many.
How much research have you done on this? I've watched numerous livestreams, I've watched numerous clips. I listened to police scanners for hours. Here's some things you should know.
1.) The police in st paul were clearly under extreme duress. If you listen to the scanners, it sounds like they are trying to deal with a war zone. The reason is they know that there are bad actors out there trying to start shit - and that's what the police are trying to deal with.
2.) In multiple cities, pre-rioting, multiple streamers pointed out pallets of bricks just sitting around. In other cities these pallets of bricks were then used to destroy property.
3.) Agent provocateurs were caught by citizens in multiple cities.
4.) The white house literally announced that there were bad actors crossing state lines to incite violence in these cities. Governors/mayors were talking about this too. Though this info did become muddled... and it's now hard to see what's what.
5.) The white house has now declared that antifa (known to be funded by Soros) is a terrorist organization.
seems like it makes sense to me.
is this too conspiracy theory-ish? hope I don't get banned. It's not even theory though, I can probably even still find examples of these if it's insisted upon.
Oh, and the last thing, so it's clear. I don't trust police departments either. Like at all. They've proven how untrustworthy they are.
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On June 01 2020 03:09 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2020 03:02 travis wrote:On June 01 2020 03:00 Vivax wrote:On June 01 2020 02:52 travis wrote:On June 01 2020 02:48 Vivax wrote:On June 01 2020 02:40 travis wrote:
The reason antifa is being designated a terrorist organization is because they are being funded by George Soros to incite riots as a political weapon. He does this shit regularly, sometimes he even funds both sides of divisive issues.
I have never been a fan of the police, but I do think they have an impossible job right now. Understand that many of these police just want to protect the city and the people in the city, but what is actually happening in these cities is more than just organic rioting. There are some very very dangerous people in some of these cities, and I am sure the police are well aware of that. So.. they have to try to balance not murdering someone with not getting murdered. Soros? Why should he care about this at his age and why don't his funds get frozen if he's behind it. You surely meant Trump is letting this happen so he can do the next power grab. Yes, Soros. Why should he care? Great question, maybe he's the devil. Or maybe he's made a deal with the devil. Why did he care about funding BLM? He basically took over that organization. Is this part of a greater scheme that plays into some kind of power grab for Trump? I hope not but that's beyond the scope of what I can see at least. He already gave himself executive powers for corona. Those are wartime measures. Now he's about to start a war of terror in his own country, more wartime measures. I'm just glad I'm not in the US because you're about to get your own fuhrer imho. I am just curious how you can be so confident this is the case, rather than that he is legitimately ferreting out insurrection? It's my opinion that there is a lot of evidence that an underground war has been occurring for the last 6 months or so. Btw it's obvious he's trying to get everyone warm to the idea of going to war with China.
First, I agree with what you said - but I do think there is another possible perspective where he is just representing a faction that is at war with another faction. And some of what we have been seeing lately is a manifestation of that conflict. There's lots of clues that this is hopefully the case. Because yeah if it's not the case, we are so screwed here.
Im curious about this last sentence though. It feels to me that other elements of our government have tried to push him into war, and he has avoided it. So why do you think that he is trying to get people warm to the idea of going to war with China?
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Honestly I will insist that you find some legitimate source for george soros funding antifa and that he pays protestors/rioters. (To be nefarious agent provocateurs. I don't have any issue with the notion of Soros funding some organizations that occasionally engage in protesting. That's very different from what is being stated. )
None of that makes any sense at all to me, it sounds like flat earth-level bullshit. Granted my knowledge of Soros isn't the most advanced but I don't have the impression that his goals and the goals of violent radical leftists aligning at all.
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I've been speaking for many causes that are supposedly being pushed and funded by Soros for years and I still didn't get a check for my efforts :/
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On June 01 2020 03:14 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2020 03:09 Vivax wrote:On June 01 2020 03:02 travis wrote:On June 01 2020 03:00 Vivax wrote:On June 01 2020 02:52 travis wrote:On June 01 2020 02:48 Vivax wrote:On June 01 2020 02:40 travis wrote:
The reason antifa is being designated a terrorist organization is because they are being funded by George Soros to incite riots as a political weapon. He does this shit regularly, sometimes he even funds both sides of divisive issues.
I have never been a fan of the police, but I do think they have an impossible job right now. Understand that many of these police just want to protect the city and the people in the city, but what is actually happening in these cities is more than just organic rioting. There are some very very dangerous people in some of these cities, and I am sure the police are well aware of that. So.. they have to try to balance not murdering someone with not getting murdered. Soros? Why should he care about this at his age and why don't his funds get frozen if he's behind it. You surely meant Trump is letting this happen so he can do the next power grab. Yes, Soros. Why should he care? Great question, maybe he's the devil. Or maybe he's made a deal with the devil. Why did he care about funding BLM? He basically took over that organization. Is this part of a greater scheme that plays into some kind of power grab for Trump? I hope not but that's beyond the scope of what I can see at least. He already gave himself executive powers for corona. Those are wartime measures. Now he's about to start a war of terror in his own country, more wartime measures. I'm just glad I'm not in the US because you're about to get your own fuhrer imho. I am just curious how you can be so confident this is the case, rather than that he is legitimately ferreting out insurrection? It's my opinion that there is a lot of evidence that an underground war has been occurring for the last 6 months or so. Btw it's obvious he's trying to get everyone warm to the idea of going to war with China. First, I agree with what you said - but I do think there is another possible perspective where he is just representing a faction that is at war with another faction. And some of what we have been seeing lately is a manifestation of that conflict. There's lots of clues that this is hopefully the case. Because yeah if it's not the case, we are so screwed here. Im curious about this last sentence though. It feels to me that other elements of our government have tried to push him into war, and he has avoided it. So why do you think that he is trying to get people warm to the idea of going to war with China?
He can't even try if he doesn't have Putins support, so he renewed Putins invitation to G7 after it was revoked for the Crimea business. So he tries to work the popular support for now. Good that he's so crappy at being convincing.
Trump is going to have to give massive concessions to Russia though.
Personally I don't think earth is going to be a nice place in a war between two nuclear superpowers, and I cringe at anyone who cheers for conflict because it's plain stupid or insane to wish for something like that. Even Greta would freeze to an icicle in the ensuing winter.
Trump sees the US can't compete with RU and CN resource-wise over the next decades so he's trying to play the last card available before it's too late. China is so laid back because they aren't in a hurry. They don't care if their credit system fails and sit on top of rare earths, metals and a digital edge.
When he needs to actually negotiate those matters he sends Pompeo because he isn't as inept.
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One thing about responses. First, like puppykiller was going on about, it's very easy to justify rioting and arson when it isn't your homes or businesses being burnt. Like this reporter in the nice part of town:
It's literally zero cost. And what a tragedy on all the black-owned businesses already suffering from months of closures from CoViD-19, now having to deal with their means of rebounding after the disease taken away from them. Target and Nike will recover. Not them.
I've been a little too long on that aspect of rioting, so let me swap to the response. I think both the regular liberals (fix the system) and hard-left (tear down the system) and right wing (quick to swap into restoration of order/anti-riots) have had shifting perspectives on this. From twitter, David Hines @hradzka sums up what I think is a fair accessment:
So stuff is going on but what I wanted to talk about was how people are reacting to what is going on, because I have a very broad spectrum of friends and follows and Twitter mutuals, and I've been seeing some interesting changes.
One thing that struck me, looking at the Right, was that there was not a lot of argument on the actual case. There were a couple of MAGABoomers who went viral urging not to rush to judgment, but the conservatives, libertarians, ancaps I follow weren't contrarian this time.
Generally speaking, when there is disorder, you can count on Righties to get their jimmies rustled right off the jump. Lots of pugnacious talk about buying guns and shotgunning looters and stuff like that.
The first person I saw to go there this time? Was Donald Trump.
Atypically, this time around a lot of Righties were slow to jump up and urge suppression of disorder. There was a sense among them that yes, people were pissed off, and they were *legitimately* pissed off.
What changed that, I think, was the continuation & spread of the riots.
Now I'm seeing Righties calling for the National Guard, calling those in authority to suppress the riots by force.
I've seen a fervent Donald Trump supporter -- not a MagaBoomer, but a smart populist Republican who backs Trump for reasons of policy -- calling Trump out as weak.
On the Left, there's a different change happening, and this is where things get *really* interesting.
Early on, liberals and Hard Lefties were on the same page. They were either lauding the disorder as heroic or tolerating it as necessary.
That changed after last night.
Righties tend to lump liberals and Hard Lefties together, but they're different kinds of people with different kinds of instincts & different wants.
Liberals want the system to be better (for liberals' idea of better).
Hard Lefties want to smash the system & install a new one.
Last night was too much for liberals.
That's why this morning, liberals and journos -- but I repeat myself -- who spent previous days merrily tweeting the donation link to the Minnesota Freedom Fund, suddenly started talking about white nationalist infiltrators at the riots.
Here's some pertinent information about white nationalists:
Their local chapters are typically two to eight people.
They have to do a lot of planning and coordinating to field a large crowd, which means about 125 people.
And they can't keep their fucking mouths shut.
As it happens, I know of one white nationalist who went out to a protest yesterday. He went to the one in Dallas. He had a rifle. He was kitted up in battle rattle.
He livestreamed and Telegrammed his whole way down there, and was geolocated, btfo'd, and doxed by antifascists.
White nationalist accelerationists can in fact be extraordinarily dangerous.
They are also constitutionally incapable of being subtle.
The people you see talking about white nationalists being the sekrit baddies? They're liberals.
They saw the protestors as heroes. They didn't like what the protests turned into. But they don't want to think badly of the protestors.
So someone ELSE must be responsible.
If you go read Hard Lefty Twitter, you see a very different set of reactions.
This is because they support burning shit down and actually know and respect people involved in burning shit down.
The liberals react with cognitive dissonance. This disgusts the radicals.
The next step (already starting) is liberals blaming the Hard Lefties... *white* Hard Lefties.
This is also cognitive dissonance. They don't want to think of any black protestors as unheroic.
This is also infantilizing, because they're looking down on people who are grown-ass adults. White radicals do write checks for black radicals to cash, absolutely. *But black radicals can do dumb shit liberals don't like, too,* and it's insulting them to pretend they can't.
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On June 01 2020 03:31 PoulsenB wrote:
I've been speaking for many causes that are supposedly being pushed and funded by Soros for years and I still didn't get a check for my efforts :/
Because he's a boogeyman for his efforts to fight xenophobia and nationalism.
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Wow now the conspiracy theory that Soros is moving things under the shadow is back again. This is lasting since 4 years and the stupidity level is not decreasing.
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The age of the internet sure is wild. You have young people with higher education from developed countries posting the exact same conspiracy theories as Eastern European Facebook grandmas that couldn't continue education after 4th grade cause they had to harvest potatoes.
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Yeah, the whole Soros thing is just badly recycled old school antisemitism, with all the stupidity of our era mixed into it. Also, he is a scapegoat of the Hungarian far right who sees him as a traitor or something.
So essentially, he is just a jewish billionaire liberal philanthropist that crystallizes all the most stupid fantasies and conspiracy theories of people who are interested in that kind of bullshit. Quite surprised to see such utter crap in this thread tbh.
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On June 01 2020 03:49 Dan HH wrote:
The age of the internet sure is wild. You have young people with higher education from developed countries posting the exact same conspiracy theories as Eastern European Facebook grandmas that couldn't continue education after 4th grade cause they had to harvest potatoes.
Believing in conspiracy theories is something so easy to fall in that even an educated person will believe it. I mean the cop who killed Floyd was about to receive no punishment at all if the tape was not released. So how can you trust the cops and the governement to bring justice.
Anyway if understand correctly from the kookoo back in 2018, they listened carrefuly to Trump stating that Soros was behind the antifa movement, then they believed Soros again released the Covid-19 and now he is puttings pile of bricks in the cities.
Whats next? ah yes I know he is already creating a medicine for the Queen ELizabeth to live forever and make the british empire number one.
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What with the 'black people are criminals on the dole' stats from xxio and now the Soros stuff i feel like we only need to start talking about the shape of people's skulls and we will have 'right wing stupid bingo'
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On June 01 2020 04:33 Jockmcplop wrote:
What with the 'black people are criminals on the dole' stats from xxio and now the Soros stuff i feel like we only need to start talking about the shape of people's skulls and we will have 'right wing stupid bingo'
An awful game many of us are all too familiar with, sadly.
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Didn't a guy called Mussolini designate anti-fascists as terrorists in Italy some years ago? How did that turn out?
Didn't the US president retweet a quote attributed to this Mussolini dude over something to do with a lion and a sheep?
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On June 01 2020 04:39 JohnDelaney wrote:
Didn't a guy called Mussolini designate anti-fascists as terrorists in Italy some years ago? How did that turn out?
Didn't the US president retweet a quote attributed to this Mussolini dude over something to do with a lion and a sheep?
Mussolini was evil, Trump is incompetent and stupid but still bounce in between the lines of the law without for the moment to breaking them too much. The best we can hope is that people will not listen to him to much.
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Soros must have a secret payment service larger than Paypal with how many people on earth he has on the payroll according to some...
Can we just stop with antisemitism in here pls...
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Maybe we could talk about some of the underlying problems. There's something very wrong in the US, and it's not just Trump or the right/left wing extremists.
These are just some observations from a German pleb, but here we go:
1. The two party system is bad. There's no middle ground. It has become worse over the last decades, there used to be more collaboration between the parties on the federal level.
2. The election system is bad. Why are you still doing that electoral college bs?
3. The media is fundamentally flawed. No media is "neutral", that's an illusion, but from what I've seen, mass media in the US has become a mixture of propaganda and misinformation. While I'm more of a leftist, I also think that the consistent right wing bashing that's going on in liberal / leftist shows doesn't help. The fake news on FOX is on another level, though.
4. The racial divide is a reality. I've never been to the US, so I only can talk about things I've heard from friends who have lived there for some time. Living conditions, healthcare, education, jobs - there's no equality. And while I don't think that there should be a governmental program to "force" equality upon the people, my impression is that there's enough people who are absolutely fine with racism. Change only can come with / from the people.
5. Speaking of healthcare... It's mind boggling that the US public still is debating on general healthcare. Like, what the hell.
6. There are no winners in the war on drugs.
7. Christian fundamentalism seems to be very popular in some regions, which can be explained by history. But: Why is this still such a thing?
8. As a German, I cannot understand the 2nd amendment. History, I know. Revolution, freedom, whatever. Allowing people to carry guns by law will lead to problems, especially if you pair it with bad living conditions, drug abuse, a skewed job market, etc. - Basically, it's an invitation for riots and murder.
9. The real motor of America has always been exploitation. First the land, then the slaves, the list goes on. The American Dream is a red herring.
10. Which leads to my final point: The US is built upon a lie. It's a great country with amazing people, but it's still built upon a lie. The constitution was groundbreaking at the time, and is rightfully regarded as one of humanity's finest efforts to overcome oppression. But there's no shining land of the free anymore, maybe it never really existed. But there surely was belief. There was hope. In the last decades, especially after Kennedy's death, the US has been on a terrifying downward slope, especially morally. What you see now, are symptoms. My fear is that the country will tear itself apart in the next 20-30 years.
I just had to get it off, sorry if my post is too much of incoherent rambling, but I'm really worried right now. There has to be a return to dialogue. Asap.
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On June 01 2020 02:40 travis wrote:
The reason antifa is being designated a terrorist organization is because they are being funded by George Soros to incite riots as a political weapon. He does this shit regularly, sometimes he even funds both sides of divisive issues.
I have never been a fan of the police, but I do think they have an impossible job right now. Understand that many of these police just want to protect the city and the people in the city, but what is actually happening in these cities is more than just organic rioting. There are some very very dangerous people in some of these cities, and I am sure the police are well aware of that. So.. they have to try to balance not murdering someone with not getting murdered.
can we have an aditional [citation needed] option to quote and report for this thread.
this is just conspirational level akin to Bill Gates wanting to secretly microchip everyone through a vaccine for covid19 which of course he invented in the first place.
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On June 01 2020 05:49 Artisreal wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2020 02:40 travis wrote:
The reason antifa is being designated a terrorist organization is because they are being funded by George Soros to incite riots as a political weapon. He does this shit regularly, sometimes he even funds both sides of divisive issues.
I have never been a fan of the police, but I do think they have an impossible job right now. Understand that many of these police just want to protect the city and the people in the city, but what is actually happening in these cities is more than just organic rioting. There are some very very dangerous people in some of these cities, and I am sure the police are well aware of that. So.. they have to try to balance not murdering someone with not getting murdered. can we have an aditional [citation needed] option to quote and report for this thread. this is just conspirational level akin to Bill Gates wanting to secretly microchip everyone through a vaccine for covid19 which of course he invented in the first place.
That's just the exaggerated version, but there is in fact a patent designed to chip people by MS.
Google microsoft crypto chip.
Though it isn't explicitly written that it has to be implanted.
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