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CorsairHero
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Gahlo
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Nakajin
Canada8991 Posts
On February 23 2020 10:11 CorsairHero wrote: since you asked for the source: https://twitter.com/KeithJCarberry/status/1231345934891724802 lol wtf | ||
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JimmiC
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On February 23 2020 10:05 GreenHorizons wrote: The basic explanation is this: 1. Media didn't trust the party to give them the numbers they needed to keep their audience. 2. Media put out their own observers to document and report results to their decision desks. 3. As expected the party wasn't reporting anything long after they previously reported a lot of results in 2016 4. The media attempting to prevent another Iowa, start reporting their own numbers. 5.They show Sanders running away with it 6. The party having reported 88%+ in 2016 at this point had to report something and released an inexplicable selection for the delegate count. 7. Delegate count? Yes, the media only reported popular vote totals and left the delegate math to the state party to report. So the delegate count with only 4% is the official state party report (unclear if they gave the 1st and 2nd alignment numbers that went with them). The 10% popular vote count is from a pool of observers for decision desks in media companies. Seems that they collaborated and are sharing a common number for that (but it isn't from the state party, but documented by media staff at the caucuses) Ah ok, that makes some sense. Thanks for the explanation. What's odd to me: the fact that both Biden and Butt are giving strange second place "victory" speeches. Seem awfully premature given the massive margins in favor of Sanders and the fact that there is zero consistency between who is actually in second place out of the three "contenders." | ||
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farvacola
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Mohdoo
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LegalLord
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On February 23 2020 10:57 Mohdoo wrote: Buttigieg likely to be the top post in /r/punchablefaces tomorrow. Good lord, I just don't like him at all. He's the first Democrat I've felt like I could legitimately never vote for. I agree, he's particularly bad. It's upsetting to me that Iowa and New Hampshire gave him a platform for some reason, but here's to hoping that the one-trick pony is finally on the way down to a perpetual decline. I really have no idea why anyone would have voted for him in the primary, honestly - what does he offer besides obviously empty rhetoric? Glad his visibly disingenuous appeal to Hispanics didn't go anywhere - he's a solid third place behind both Sanders and Biden in Nevada for that demographic. | ||
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RenSC2
United States1098 Posts
On February 23 2020 10:11 CorsairHero wrote: since you asked for the source: https://twitter.com/KeithJCarberry/status/1231345934891724802 From the clip, the Chris Matthews thing is not comparing Bernie to Nazi Germany. It’s comparing the punditry to Churchill not accepting that it was over, when it was clearly over. Unless there is more context, the Matthews message isn’t even anti-Bernie. It’s just calling the election (or Nevada, not sure the context there). | ||
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Ben...
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edit: As more numbers come in, things look better for Bernie. This looks to be a complete rout. 46-47% or so of the delegate votes, which is twice second place. This was a complete blowout. | ||
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farvacola
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GreenHorizons
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Doodsmack
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On February 23 2020 12:57 farvacola wrote: Looking at the tide of headlines on my google news feed, it looks like Nevada may be a watershed event for Bernie’s campaign. The number of otherwise lukewarm-on-Bernie outlets headlining articles with abjectly positive descriptions of his Nevada performance is catching my eye. Certainly positive, still not completely converted though. NYT and CNN are only saying that he "won," not that he routed the opposition. | ||
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Introvert
United States5029 Posts
On February 23 2020 13:16 Doodsmack wrote: Certainly positive, still not completely converted though. NYT and CNN are only saying that he "won," not that he routed the opposition. This the Democrat partisan press, they will fall in line when they have no choice, and if Sanders loses they will pretend the warnings they are giving now aligned with their positions all along. We're going to see a retcon potentially followed by a retcon of the retcon. | ||
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JimmiC
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Mohdoo
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Introvert
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On February 23 2020 15:18 JimmiC wrote: So you are saying the Dems have created a win/win for themselves. If Bernie wins great they have the presidency. If Bernie loses the moderates can say , "see progressives are not electable for presidency". Now my only question is how far and how fast do you think the right press and Reps run away from Trump if he loses? When the media acts as an extension of your party it's always a win-win. Unless, I suppose, it's so transparent that most of the citizenry hates you, as they do now. As for Trump, a lot would depend on how he lost. Was he doing well until some major, unavoidable even occurred? Or did he lose a " normal" election? But Trump hasn't spent the time to clean out the party leadership and hasn't used his power to support people who actually support his agenda, so the one thing I am absolutely sure of is that most GOP pols will go right back to their amnesty-loving, corporatist ways. Trump may have taught them it's ok to punch back at least rhetorically, and punch back hard, but otherwise they will continue doing what they are trying to do now. It remains to be seen if the people who actually were elected on an agenda aligning with his will have what it takes. because if given the chance the party will go right back to Romney-squish mode (and in many ways it's still there anyways). | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On February 23 2020 15:18 JimmiC wrote: So you are saying the Dems have created a win/win for themselves. If Bernie wins great they have the presidency. If Bernie loses the moderates can say , "see progressives are not electable for presidency". Now my only question is how far and how fast do you think the right press and Reps run away from Trump if he loses? They won't have to, because they can just scream about communism for the next 4 years. | ||
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Gorsameth
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On February 23 2020 15:18 JimmiC wrote: Republicans lost their mind when a black man got into power.So you are saying the Dems have created a win/win for themselves. If Bernie wins great they have the presidency. If Bernie loses the moderates can say , "see progressives are not electable for presidency". Now my only question is how far and how fast do you think the right press and Reps run away from Trump if he loses? They will lose their shit when a 'Communist' wins. I don't think they will drop Trump but weaponize him to take back power again by using his far right appeal on the side while their actual candidates will be more moderate. Assuming they don't get forced into the far far right again during the primary. | ||
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Nakajin
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On February 23 2020 16:09 Mohdoo wrote: You can't tell 40% of Nevada they don't get the nominee that overwhelmingly won. I really don't think they're gonna try to steal it from Bernie at this point. If Bernie wins SC, I think they'll rally behind him otherwise they will after ST I think you're right after Super Thuseday, actually if he win SC coming into ST, he could maybe just win every single state nomination all the way to the convention. | ||
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